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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2016 7:16:58 GMT -6
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Post by nashbass on May 11, 2016 10:38:54 GMT -6
Of course! No worries at all. I knew that. BTW, the RS124 is killin'! Completed my first track with it. Offered a few options with my 64 P bass but ultimately it came down to my hollow body Jack Casady bass, using flatwound strings with foam under the bridge running thru my Fatboy Tube DI and into the Chandler RS124. Whew! Nice and thumpy, for sure. For the icing on the cake, I was wearing my McCartney tour t-shirt.
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Post by levon on May 12, 2016 2:21:55 GMT -6
I noticed the vintage McCartney shirts (pre 1999) smell better in a mix.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:03:33 GMT -6
A vote for the Stam Audio SA2A. Love mine, lives on bass, sounds great, really affordable and way better components than the Warm
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 13, 2016 15:53:06 GMT -6
jordanvoth said: "way better components than the Warm".
Are you sure about that jordanvoth? Warm usually goes out of their way to get the best parts, so I'm curious.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 13, 2016 18:06:06 GMT -6
jordanvoth said: "way better components than the Warm". Are you sure about that jordanvoth? Warm usually goes out of their way to get the best parts, so I'm curious. Warm uses a Chinese T4 cell right?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 13, 2016 18:28:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't know, but I'll look into it.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 18:49:25 GMT -6
Cheaper tubes, Cheaper transformers, cheaper all around, made in china and more expensive. Stam in my opinion beat Warm to the punch there, Warm should release a blue stripe comp.
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 18:54:24 GMT -6
I noticed the vintage McCartney shirts (pre 1999) smell better in a mix. My 2016 wings reissue shirt smells even fresher in a mix.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 13, 2016 19:18:21 GMT -6
Let's not measure talliwackers here. Don't believe either are using top, TOP of the line components. They are both built to a price point.
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Post by ericn on May 13, 2016 19:39:14 GMT -6
Let's not measure talliwackers here. Don't believe either are using top, TOP of the line components. They are both built to a price point. Agreed Both are using some Namebrand components but at this price point you are using your fair share of generic Components, and cutting some corners. Let's not forget at the time they were built the originals used generic components.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 13, 2016 19:57:08 GMT -6
Yeah - if they sound good, they sound good. I haven't tried either.
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Post by rowmat on May 13, 2016 21:04:47 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 13, 2016 21:06:46 GMT -6
Warm uses a Chinese T4 cell right? Not according to Warm Audio... "Utilizes USA made Kenetek opto attenuator" www.warmaudio.com/#!wa-2a/q1bfg I stand corrected. Can't argue that.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 13, 2016 21:11:02 GMT -6
Well, that's a good start. Here's a quote from Warm Audio's home page:
"the WA-2A boasts an all tube, completely discrete signal path with through-hole component topology. It also features custom, large-core Cinemag input and output transformers, four premium vacuum tubes, and the legendary Kenetek opto-cell, considered by many to be the world’s finest".
That doesn't sound like a "cheaper all around" design to me. I may be missing important details though. Perhaps some of the DIY guys who know these things inside out can comment.
I would expect STAM gets some parts from China too.
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Post by warmaudio on May 14, 2016 0:05:06 GMT -6
A vote for the Stam Audio SA2A. Love mine, lives on bass, sounds great, really affordable and way better components than the Warm To clear up confusion that's been circling... - The WA-2A uses the widely respected Kenetek T4B opto-cell - (made in the USA) - According to David Geren (the owner of CineMag) he doesn't manufacture LA-2A style transformers that out-perform the CineMag's used in the WA-2A. They make larger ones that serve as nice eye candy, but the ones we're using are over-specced for the design. Feel free to contact David Geren (the owner of CineMag) and ask him personally, he's an all around great guy. David spent 2 and half days with our WA-2A before deciding on the transformer designs to use, and he believes our unit out-performs the 2 other very costly LA-2A style compressors he compared the WA-2A to, one of them costing $3500... - The tubes in the WA-2A signal path are high-end Tung-Sol brand. Many expensive tube gear pieces (above $3k) ship with cheaper tubes than what's in the WA-2A. Could the use of NOS tubes make the WA-2A unit even better out of the box? It's possible, it's also preference. The brand of the NOS tubes plays a factor too. NOS = "New Old Stock"... so a 20-30 year old tube could be of poorer quality than a modern tube. We always encourage users to try different tubes to experiment since they're so easily interchangeable. - The capacitor in the WA-2A that drives the output transformer is a hand made oil and paper style. These are rarely used in mass produced products anymore due to their large size (take up too much space) and difficulty to manufacture. Sometimes emphasis is put on what capacitor is used here, we found this one to be very musical and forgiving, we liked it better than some smaller name brand choices we tried. It's the large yellow rectangle shaped capacitor seen in the circuit picture on our website. Feel free to contact info@warmaudio.com with any questions!
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Post by warmaudio on May 14, 2016 0:09:57 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 14, 2016 9:52:56 GMT -6
Good to hear from you Bryce. I realize that any manufacturer might be reticent about getting into a shouting match online, so I'm glad you're able to clear up some of these questions. I've had nothing but positive experiences with my Warm Audio gear. Of course, that's just my experience, but it's helped me get closer than I expected to the kind of sound I wish I could get, but can't at home.
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Post by thehightenor on May 14, 2016 9:59:46 GMT -6
I was about to drop £1850 ($2700) on a second hand UA LA2A re-issue to go with my new Retro STA Level when I realised that the new Warm Audio WA2A is now shipping in the UK at £800 (that's over £1000 price difference) and the WA2A would be a new unit not second hand.
I ask myself if I am going to hear £1000 worth of difference between the WA2A and a second UA LA2A reissue? I really don't know. Sure the point to point wiring inside the UA LA2A is very pretty (as is my hand made Retro STA Level) but I'm a function over form guy so as long as it sounds great and of course is reliable, I can happily live with designed in the USA - made in China approach to manufacturing.
Unfortunately you can no longer demo UA LA2A and 1176 in the UK as they have been barred from import due to EU ROHS rules.
If I want a new LA2A it's going to be a WA2A.
For the 1176 the is a much bigger choice than just the WA76.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 14, 2016 10:20:52 GMT -6
good luck hightenor, Where are you in the UK? I have family there.
Of course when we all look to get a holy grail kind of sound, it's never easy at lower prices, but in shootout after shootout between things like compressors and microphones, I've more often than not heard tone differences, but not necessarily "better" tone. People rave on about U-47's, but the U-47's had many design changes along the way, any two rarely sound the same, and many people prefer some newer versions.
A while back, in the 1176 style shootout, almost every manufacturer was represented. There were something like a dozen files of 1176's. I preferred the two original Urei's and then the Warm WA76. So, the Warm took the bronze to my ears. I wouldn't be surprised at all if many of us found we preferred the WA2A or the Stam to even UAD's current crop.
Having met Bryce at AES and after doing a couple of videos using Warm's products, I know for a fact that Bryce will be as transparent as possible, (no manufacturer can give away every secret), and is dedicated to taking enough time to test all the different brands of parts available. Only then does he choose the part he feels performs the best.
Eventually someone will have both, and we'll see and hear how they differ.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2016 10:46:54 GMT -6
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Post by mikec on May 14, 2016 10:57:55 GMT -6
Bryce has been great with fantastic customer support. I have one of the very early WA76 compressors that had a meter that was way off and could not be calibrated. Bryce had me send it to him and I had it back in a couple of days. It has been perfect since.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2016 11:09:07 GMT -6
Warm has done a great job affording quality gear at quality prices...Really kind of the same thing as CAPI has done.
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Post by thehightenor on May 14, 2016 12:29:15 GMT -6
good luck hightenor, Where are you in the UK? I have family there. Of course when we all look to get a holy grail kind of sound, it's never easy at lower prices, but in shootout after shootout between things like compressors and microphones, I've more often than not heard tone differences, but not necessarily "better" tone. People rave on about U-47's, but the U-47's had many design changes along the way, any two rarely sound the same, and many people prefer some newer versions. A while back, in the 1176 style shootout, almost every manufacturer was represented. There were something like a dozen files of 1176's. I preferred the two original Urei's and then the Warm WA76. So, the Warm took the bronze to my ears. I wouldn't be surprised at all if many of us found we preferred the WA2A or the Stam to even UAD's current crop. Having met Bryce at AES and after doing a couple of videos using Warm's products, I know for a fact that Bryce will be as transparent as possible, (no manufacturer can give away every secret), and is dedicated to taking enough time to test all the different brands of parts available. Only then does he choose the part he feels performs the best. Eventually someone will have both, and we'll see and hear how they differ. I'm in good old London town :-)
I'm very tempted by the WA2A (and the WA76) they would be great alternatives to my STA Level.
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Post by Ward on May 30, 2016 20:42:48 GMT -6
When it comes to opticals, opinions vary but I believe the CL1b is the BEST there is. The various LA2a's really work WHEN they work, much like many Neumann microphones. That being said, the Stam Audio SA2a is the most usable of any of the LA2a clones I have tried... and I bought and kept it. The reissue UA LA2As are extremely close to a mediocre example of a vintage Teletronix LA2a in good running order/. Right, winetree?
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