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Post by porkyman on Feb 9, 2016 0:13:30 GMT -6
Hello everyone I only found out about this forum just now! Some very interesting mixes on here, I especially liked tonycamp's vintage vibe! Anyway, I took a completely different approach and went for a wide and modern sound... It's obviously far from perfect (Rather mushy in the low mids and I could handle the vox volumes better), but hey, let me know what you think! (I haven't done much on the 2Buss, so you may need to turn your monitors up) https%3A//soundcloud.com/steliosmac/locomotive-audio-mixGood luck to everyone that took part, and many thanks to Locomotive! listening on headphones through computer there was a lot of pumping going on imo. the drums sounded "all buttons in" which was maybe too aggressive for the sound. (i really dont like that sound though so probably just bias). and some sidechain ducking or something like that seems to be sucking the focus out of the mix. overall though your vision and creativity stood out among the rest. you really made the song your own. nice work.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 9, 2016 9:42:21 GMT -6
dude, you're being way too harsh IMV, its real world, a good engineer can tighten this up a number of ways, and accentuate the good stuff, vibe the bland stuff, yes it's time consuming, especially for someone like me who is slow as all FUCK! haha, so I personally was not willing to spend the time, but if you are tasked with taking it on, it is what it is, you have to deal with what you get and make it sound great, i believe good AE's can make these tracks sound very good if need be, my guess is it would take my slow ass about 8-10 hours to do so, but no doubt I've dealt with far worse, so it can be done. Here's my incomplete mix, I allotted myself 2 hours of effort which goes crazy against my OC behavior, but I stuck to my guns, It's totally static, cept for the challenging intro guitar, I spent over an hour of time panning/leveling, editing, clip gaining, and filtering, then i unapologetically went as fast as I could throwing the same waves renaissance plugin comps, and verbs on things, i eq'd drums a little bit, everything else... Not! I also threw that free vinyl plug on the beginning.. yaay! and then shamefully...., I went against my own rule by dumping it into a waves L2 shavingloud 2-3db, but only because Jess's version is so friggin loud I felt tiny noodled and tried to compete! derp! derp! doy! 8/ haha. The funny thing is as i did this, I could still hear that vague ITB digititus effect that I so despise creeping up on me... even at this early stage, further verification that I'm doing the right thing moving OTB. Still, I believe if i spent another 6-8 hours on this ITB, this could be pretty slamming. Ok fella's, rip me to shreds!! https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/locoHey Tone, Just gave this a listen. Nice mix. The drums and bass sound really great. For me, the vocals are a little low. It's obvious that you listen to more older music than current stuff based solely on the way the vocal sits. Modern stuff always has the vocal a bit above rather than in the mix. The guitar effects were a bit too much for me too. The intro guitar gave me too much of a funk vibe and the lead sounded strange for the genre too. I could have used a little more of the lead guitar in the outro too. Anyway, nice stuff.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 9, 2016 9:45:04 GMT -6
Hello everyone I only found out about this forum just now! Some very interesting mixes on here, I especially liked tonycamp's vintage vibe! Anyway, I took a completely different approach and went for a wide and modern sound... It's obviously far from perfect (Rather mushy in the low mids and I could handle the vox volumes better), but hey, let me know what you think! (I haven't done much on the 2Buss, so you may need to turn your monitors up) https%3A//soundcloud.com/steliosmac/locomotive-audio-mixGood luck to everyone that took part, and many thanks to Locomotive! Vocal effects were cool. It was too pumpy, and the snare was too hot, but cool how different you made it.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2016 10:42:03 GMT -6
dude, you're being way too harsh IMV, its real world, a good engineer can tighten this up a number of ways, and accentuate the good stuff, vibe the bland stuff, yes it's time consuming, especially for someone like me who is slow as all FUCK! haha, so I personally was not willing to spend the time, but if you are tasked with taking it on, it is what it is, you have to deal with what you get and make it sound great, i believe good AE's can make these tracks sound very good if need be, my guess is it would take my slow ass about 8-10 hours to do so, but no doubt I've dealt with far worse, so it can be done. Here's my incomplete mix, I allotted myself 2 hours of effort which goes crazy against my OC behavior, but I stuck to my guns, It's totally static, cept for the challenging intro guitar, I spent over an hour of time panning/leveling, editing, clip gaining, and filtering, then i unapologetically went as fast as I could throwing the same waves renaissance plugin comps, and verbs on things, i eq'd drums a little bit, everything else... Not! I also threw that free vinyl plug on the beginning.. yaay! and then shamefully...., I went against my own rule by dumping it into a waves L2 shavingloud 2-3db, but only because Jess's version is so friggin loud I felt tiny noodled and tried to compete! derp! derp! doy! 8/ haha. The funny thing is as i did this, I could still hear that vague ITB digititus effect that I so despise creeping up on me... even at this early stage, further verification that I'm doing the right thing moving OTB. Still, I believe if i spent another 6-8 hours on this ITB, this could be pretty slamming. Ok fella's, rip me to shreds!! https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/locoHey Tone, Just gave this a listen. Nice mix. The drums and bass sound really great. For me, the vocals are a little low. It's obvious that you listen to more older music than current stuff based solely on the way the vocal sits. Modern stuff always has the vocal a bit above rather than in the mix. The guitar effects were a bit too much for me too. The intro guitar gave me too much of a funk vibe and the lead sounded strange for the genre too. I could have used a little more of the lead guitar in the outro too. Anyway, nice stuff. Cool thanx, but why do u repeatedly presume to know my aesthetic and what I'm listen to? Imv, the "Modern mix" paradigm is false idol worship, it only matters what sounds good, the end. Vocal positioning is usually genre specific, this genre calls for a tucked vocal, I leaned between it and vox forward pop, I might also add that the amount of compression I use would drop ur jaw, I'm just not using it as u might think?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 9, 2016 10:57:00 GMT -6
Am I wrong about what you listen to? You've mentioned many times that todays music is junk and how you like the aesthetic of older music. As for the "modern mix" paradigm, being false idol worship, I'm not quite sure what you mean. The majority of music currently on the radio has the vocal set just above (or even higher above) the mix rather than tucked. In most older music, it's more tucked in. I'd prefer the vocal up just a touch in your mix, just a personal preference, mainly because I listen to mostly modern music these days and it's what I'm accustomed to. I'm not trying to attack you or something though, just trying to give some constructive criticism. If you spent more time on it, I'm sure it would have been tits. Obviously, I'm not some authority on what's right or wrong, my mix had plenty of issues. ...tell me about your compression.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2016 11:11:09 GMT -6
Am I wrong about what you listen to? You've mentioned many times that todays music is junk and how you like the aesthetic of older music. I like the aesthetic of good music presented well, it doesn't have to even be "my thing", isn't it obvious by now that i'm obsessed? I'm a student of all music and mixes bromee, and yes there is a lot more shit out there these days, but gems are still to be hadAs for the "modern mix" paradigm, being false idol worship, I'm not quite sure what you mean. The majority of music currently on the radio has the vocal set just above (or even higher above) the mix rather than tucked. In most older music, it's more tucked in. I'd prefer the vocal up just a touch in your mix, just a personal preference, mainly because I listen to mostly modern music these days and it's what I'm accustomed to. Your constantly referring to "modern mixes" as the gold the gold standard when they are in whole SUBJECTIVELY not, or maybe i'm misinterpreting that? either way, good is good, and succumbing to the trappings of trend is a mistake... always, just be true to your instincts and make a great mixI'm not trying to attack you or something though, just trying to give some constructive criticism. If you spent more time on it, I'm sure it would have been tits. I guess I just feel your pigeonholing me by your one too many references framing me as stuck in the past, especially whenever i make suggestions.Obviously, I'm not some authority on what's right or wrong, my mix had plenty of issues. Nor am I, mine too, i always appreciate criticism from people I respect, yourself included in that 8)...tell me about your compression. No! haha....
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Post by Ward on Feb 9, 2016 11:19:04 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 9, 2016 11:22:50 GMT -6
...no worries. Tone and I are cool. I'm from New England, I can handle pretty much anything.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 9, 2016 11:25:03 GMT -6
...no worries. Tone and I are cool. I'm from New England, I can handle pretty much anything. yeah, we've been firing emails back n forth in the background, this is all for your entertainment 8)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 9, 2016 11:44:24 GMT -6
Am I wrong about what you listen to? You've mentioned many times that todays music is junk and how you like the aesthetic of older music. I like the aesthetic of good music presented well, it doesn't have to even be "my thing", isn't it obvious by now that i'm obsessed? I'm a student of all music and mixes bromee, and yes there is a lot more shit out there these days, but gems are still to be hadAs for the "modern mix" paradigm, being false idol worship, I'm not quite sure what you mean. The majority of music currently on the radio has the vocal set just above (or even higher above) the mix rather than tucked. In most older music, it's more tucked in. I'd prefer the vocal up just a touch in your mix, just a personal preference, mainly because I listen to mostly modern music these days and it's what I'm accustomed to. Your constantly referring to "modern mixes" as the gold the gold standard when they are in whole SUBJECTIVELY not, or maybe i'm misinterpreting that? either way, good is good, and succumbing to the trappings of trend is a mistake... always, just be true to your instincts and make a great mixI'm not trying to attack you or something though, just trying to give some constructive criticism. If you spent more time on it, I'm sure it would have been tits. I guess I just feel your pigeonholing me by your one too many references framing me as stuck in the past, especially whenever i make suggestions.Obviously, I'm not some authority on what's right or wrong, my mix had plenty of issues. Nor am I, mine too, i always appreciate criticism from people I respect, yourself included in that 8)...tell me about your compression. No! haha....When I mention the "modern mix" stuff, I'm trying to frame my viewpoint for people reading my comments. It's more to show people where I'm coming from with my comments rather than putting modern stuff on a pedestal or anything. I dig the hell outta the classics too, but mainly listen to new stuff these days, so try to hammer that point home for context.
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Post by Ward on Feb 9, 2016 11:59:38 GMT -6
The modern mix paradigm is KARAOKE! A barely adequate singer singing along to a pre-recorded backing track that is way in the background... and hours upon hours of work on a vocal that needs more auto-tune than T-Pain can dole out.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 9, 2016 12:25:45 GMT -6
The modern mix paradigm is KARAOKE! A barely adequate singer singing along to a pre-recorded backing track that is way in the background... and hours upon hours of work on a vocal that needs more auto-tune than T-Pain can dole out. Not only this if I listen again to it. Some of the playing..... OH my... so yes those tracks are hard to mix. I listened to my mix of it again.... and hell yes I did better ones..... but the playing was better too... Nice is if the drummer hits the steel like crazy.... PISCHCSHSCHSCSH ..... maybe not in this song..... ?
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Post by Ward on Feb 9, 2016 12:39:35 GMT -6
Well, I was only just giving my definition of 'The Modern Mix Paradigm' and didn't mean for my remarks to reflect directly on the track provided. My apologies for going off-topic and misdirecting folks.
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Post by xengs on Feb 10, 2016 11:43:03 GMT -6
Thanks everyone, it means a lot! And it's actually confirmed some of what I was thinking I have a couple of questions for you, but they're probably quite off-topic, so if anyone feels the same yet they want to answer feel free to shoot me a PM, I'd be grateful I generally find my mixes to sound quite "scooped" (And I do compress the hell out of some, but I'm trying to use compressors more subtly lately) - You know, tons of bass, lacking mids; And I'm guessing this has to do with my ears getting tired. How often do you usually take breaks, and how often do you reference other stuff when working on a mix? Did you have such problems when you first got started (And if so how long did it get you till you got to doing some decent mixes)? Another question is, how do you usually ride vocals? Especially ITB with a mouse where it's hard to go by feel/vibe/whatever... Do you usually ride the clip gain or post processing? Does your Automation (in general, not just VOX) consist of large chunks of changes (like static mixes for each part of the song) or are you riding stuff on every beat (I guess it depends, but what would you do for E. Guitars/Snare for instance)? Thanks!
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Post by popmann on Feb 11, 2016 14:49:09 GMT -6
I didn't automate anything save I think I quickly faded the top and tail maybe....
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Post by M57 on Feb 11, 2016 17:49:12 GMT -6
...no worries. Tone and I are cool. I'm from New England, I can handle pretty much anything. yeah, we've been firing emails back n forth in the background, this is all for your entertainment 8) Not fair!
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Post by porkyman on Feb 19, 2016 22:13:35 GMT -6
just listened to the top ten ?? i didnt think they were any better than the ones posted here. none were out of the box creative. some were pretty bad actually. my opinion of course.... hats off to the judges though. 415 mixes!!! i could barely get through these ten. congrats to the winners and thanks again locomotive audio for doing this. it was fun.
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Post by Ward on Feb 20, 2016 7:05:30 GMT -6
Was there an EDM remix amongst them?
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 4, 2016 12:44:23 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Mar 4, 2016 15:16:05 GMT -6
nah.... let me do that for you... 8) what are friends for? cheers Wiz
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Post by Ward on Mar 4, 2016 16:29:11 GMT -6
By continuing to post, we prolong the agony of this thread and subject others to hearing this piece of music over and over and over again.
We ought be ashamed.
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Post by formatcyes on Mar 4, 2016 18:17:28 GMT -6
You would not have won your mix would have been good. That mix attacked my ears I want some dynamics is that to much to ask???
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 4, 2016 18:36:45 GMT -6
You would not have won your mix would have been good. whaa?That mix attacked my ears I want some dynamics is that to much to ask??? whaa?were you a judge? or am I not quite understanding what/which you're talking about, care to clarify both statements? even though my mix wasn't even close to done, it burned everyone of those in the top ten... easily, but i guess i'm biased! hehe
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Post by formatcyes on Mar 4, 2016 20:09:14 GMT -6
You would not have won your mix would have been good. whaa?That mix attacked my ears I want some dynamics is that to much to ask??? whaa?were you a judge? or am I not quite understanding what/which you're talking about, care to clarify both statements? even though my mix wasn't even close to done, it burned everyone of those in the top ten... easily, but i guess i'm biased! hehe Sorry the no dynamics was a reference to the winning mix not your mix. I really liked your mix but it had life and dynamics so there is noway you would have won. Sorry about the last post I should have been a bit clearer
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Post by porkyman on Mar 4, 2016 20:45:19 GMT -6
thats the one i would have picked.... i think its pretty good. congrats to the winner.
i do think if tony and others here would have made a $2400 effort (value of prize) they could have easily won.
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