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Post by swurveman on Oct 10, 2015 11:37:40 GMT -6
What I'd be interested in is a console without the Preamp and EQ section. Just a signal router with channels and Aux/Groups/Master channels. Have send and output routing to the channels and AUX/Groups and inserts/returns/direct outs on the channels and AUX/Groups. That way, you could be out of the box mixing with summing. Am I missing something? Transformers? I don't know enough about consoles. So, I don't know if it's feasible.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 10, 2015 13:33:09 GMT -6
Doctors and lawyers aren't the only players anymore. This should be up everyone's alley. Getting the sound you want in a console of your own choosing is creamy goodness! I mentioned doctors and lawyers because a Tonelux rig was $50k+. Out of reach for the masses. Even a console filled with CAPI will be expensive though. 16 pres and eqs @ $400 each is $12800, plus the frame and master section and routing...then you have to DIY it all. Not a cheap endeavor.
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Post by b1 on Oct 10, 2015 14:25:02 GMT -6
We'll have to see what the release entails. $15k-ish is a holy sight better than $50k.
From the site:
"Build it any way you want it, from a portable tracking console to a full on console.
Then change it tomorrow. Or make it bigger."
This is scalable, but the details about the complete system would be needed to form the big picture. The pic shows an 8 channel layout (section) in the "full console" scheme, so using the other stuff you already have should take care of everything for a project studio. Need more routing info though.
If hiring out, 16 channels would be beneficial.
Sounds good to me, compared to the alternatives. I could put eight top end channels to use. If more is needed... get more.
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Post by b1 on Oct 10, 2015 14:43:07 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 10, 2015 15:07:49 GMT -6
Yep. I agree that 15k is a better, more reachable price than 50k. In the end, we're still looking at expensive stuff here though. If we're looking at a non DIY version, that price almost doubles right off the bat. I guess I'm making more of a statement on 500 series modules pricing than anything though.
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Post by b1 on Oct 10, 2015 15:25:43 GMT -6
Expensive indeed. Yet, this could be a game changer. If other companies would give up offerings on the idea, the ones with the best routing/options wins the most. In this scenario, if you didn't like the way your console was heading or performing, sell the modules and get the ones that get you there. In the past, you modded or sold the console to get what you needed. You'll be the maintainer, without calling the service guy with his fee. I hope modular setups like this are the future. The least proprietary design, the better. If company "A" provided inferior routing modules, check out company "B". This was the initial discussion on the other site about a needed open modular design... like building a PC and drawing from diff component manufacturers. I agree about the elevated price of a non-DIY version. That is from the dark past...
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 10, 2015 15:48:04 GMT -6
Agreed, $15k puts the DIY dream in reach!
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Post by b1 on Oct 10, 2015 16:03:22 GMT -6
Agreed, $15k puts the DIY dream in reach! Yep, and it could take years instead of decades for some of us!
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Post by ericn on Oct 10, 2015 16:37:41 GMT -6
Agreed, $15k puts the DIY dream in reach! Yes and No, $15k puts you at just under $1k per channel for 16ch for frame and mixing section, now let's add EQ's and pres, Even if you DIY your still looking at another $700 at least per channel! Then we have the master section, modular gets expensive real fast ! Now look at what $15k buys used ! That's your real completion ! I know of at least one DIY option that's being developed, I have been roped into working on and it's great til you look at the price and suddenly you go ouch ! I'm more curios to see Paul's topology!
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Post by swurveman on Oct 10, 2015 18:54:19 GMT -6
Agreed, $15k puts the DIY dream in reach! Yes and No, $15k puts you at just under $1k per channel for 16ch for frame and mixing section, now let's add EQ's and pres, Even if you DIY your still looking at another $700 at least per channel! Then we have the master section, modular gets expensive real fast ! Now look at what $15k buys used ! That's your real completion ! I know of at least one DIY option that's being developed, I have been roped into working on and it's great til you look at the price and suddenly you go ouch ! I'm more curios to see Paul's topology! Eric, I'm curious what you would buy used to to reach this "dream".
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Post by ericn on Oct 10, 2015 19:10:15 GMT -6
Yes and No, $15k puts you at just under $1k per channel for 16ch for frame and mixing section, now let's add EQ's and pres, Even if you DIY your still looking at another $700 at least per channel! Then we have the master section, modular gets expensive real fast ! Now look at what $15k buys used ! That's your real completion ! I know of at least one DIY option that's being developed, I have been roped into working on and it's great til you look at the price and suddenly you go ouch ! I'm more curios to see Paul's topology! Eric, I'm curious what you would buy used to to reach this "dream". Nothing specific , your just competing with the used console market , we live in a time where Harrison's and the like can be found for $1500, so if your thinking $15k for a 500 based board without EQs and you look and see all the used fully loaded sub $15k for a large frame, it's hard to compete !
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 10, 2015 19:16:04 GMT -6
From talks I had with Paul over the last few months, I think the basic idea is line input only and keep the channels clean. "Color" can be brought in with 500 series modules where desired. The input channels will be part of the main "bucket". Each will have 6 sends, insert functions, pan, solo, cut and assignment to the 3 main buses. Maybe he will stop by and share some more details. I know the goal was to have a functioning desk at AES which is a few weeks away. He will have it there to show off parts of but I don't think it will be fully functional.....yet.
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Post by dandeurloo on Oct 10, 2015 19:55:36 GMT -6
Agreed, $15k puts the DIY dream in reach! Seems like his ideas are straight out of the DIY play book.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 10, 2015 19:55:35 GMT -6
This is pretty exciting, but still clearly not for the hobbyists out there, still a professional product I guess. It will be interesting to see where the price ends up.
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Post by fix on Oct 10, 2015 22:36:23 GMT -6
You will all be surprised at to how inexpensive it is going to be. I am targeting the main bucket of 8 channels, which include a tilt type eq, high and low pass sweep filters, 3 stereo busses, an insert with a blender an internal fader and 6 sends, all will run by itself, for around $5000.
I'll let you chew on that for a while.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 10, 2015 22:47:37 GMT -6
You will all be surprised at to how inexpensive it is going to be. I am targeting the main bucket of 8 channels, which include a tilt type eq, high and low pass sweep filters, 3 stereo busses, an insert with a blender an internal fader and 6 sends, all will run by itself, for around $5000. I'll let you chew on that for a while. Thats a damn fine start! Is this Mr Wolff? welcome regardless, and please tell us more! 8)
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Post by LesC on Oct 10, 2015 23:02:48 GMT -6
You will all be surprised at to how inexpensive it is going to be. I am targeting the main bucket of 8 channels, which include a tilt type eq, high and low pass sweep filters, 3 stereo busses, an insert with a blender an internal fader and 6 sends, all will run by itself, for around $5000. I'll let you chew on that for a while. That sounds amazing! And welcome to RGO!
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Post by fix on Oct 11, 2015 0:22:07 GMT -6
What I'd be interested in is a console without the Preamp and EQ section. Just a signal router with channels and Aux/Groups/Master channels. Have send and output routing to the channels and AUX/Groups and inserts/returns/direct outs on the channels and AUX/Groups. That way, you could be out of the box mixing with summing. Am I missing something? Transformers? I don't know enough about consoles. So, I don't know if it's feasible. That is one of the things this is exactly designed to do.
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Post by fix on Oct 11, 2015 0:27:45 GMT -6
The Console is self contained, meaning it will work by it self, all the output busses sum and go out the back, as well as the sends. They can all tie together into a master section that houses the Slate Control that I designed, and will have buss cards for summing buckets. They will have summing and boosters, and can be configured with any discrete op-amp you want or ICs. So each stereo bus can be a different console sound.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2015 0:39:42 GMT -6
Not to be contrarian here, but we're looking at $10k for 2 buckets plus ~$12k for 16 channels of DIY CAPI pres and eqs to fill the board. $22k for a 16 channel, mostly DIY'd console. Awesome, but still quite a bit of cash.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 11, 2015 7:01:43 GMT -6
Not to be contrarian here, but we're looking at $10k for 2 buckets plus ~$12k for 16 channels of DIY CAPI pres and eqs to fill the board. $22k for a 16 channel, mostly DIY'd console. Awesome, but still quite a bit of cash. Math is not my strength, and i won't pretend to know the details, but Mr Wolff said in his first post that it has.. "filters, tilt eq's" etc, i'd guess the second bank of eight isn't going to require master controls? so it's probably less $, and since you don't need eq, 16 vp28s are around $4,600 or so, not bad at all! i'd like to know more about the details... and the guts of course...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2015 7:41:09 GMT -6
Not to be contrarian here, but we're looking at $10k for 2 buckets plus ~$12k for 16 channels of DIY CAPI pres and eqs to fill the board. $22k for a 16 channel, mostly DIY'd console. Awesome, but still quite a bit of cash. Math is not my strength, and i won't pretend to know the details, but Mr Wolff said in his first post that it has.. "filters, tilt eq's" etc, i'd guess the second bank of eight isn't going to require master controls? so it's probably less $, and since you don't need eq, 16 vp28s are around $4,600 or so, not bad at all! i'd like to know more about the details... and the guts of course... I have a lot of faith in the quality of this and in the future of the brand. I'm a fan of Wolff's previous stuff, so not trying to disparage. That said, Tony, I'm sure that just a tilt eq wouldn't be enough for you, and it wouldn't be for me either. Sweepable filters and the tilt eq sound like a great start, but I'd still want eq modules on each channel.
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 11, 2015 8:13:13 GMT -6
One (of many) key things to point out is the majority of folks already have a bunch of 500 series modules to throw in this.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 11, 2015 9:16:35 GMT -6
This is still the cheapest of its kind to get to market too (almost anyway). The idea that you could have this loaded with pres and eqs during tracking and swap out the pres for comps during mixing is pretty cool too.
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Post by ericn on Oct 11, 2015 9:43:00 GMT -6
You will all be surprised at to how inexpensive it is going to be. I am targeting the main bucket of 8 channels, which include a tilt type eq, high and low pass sweep filters, 3 stereo busses, an insert with a blender an internal fader and 6 sends, all will run by itself, for around $5000. I'll let you chew on that for a while. Welcome Paul now I wish I was going to AES !
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