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Post by stormymondays on Aug 25, 2017 14:48:47 GMT -6
GS will absolutely NOT delete members even upon repeated requests. In order to get my account deleted I had to publicly challenge Joolz to delete it if he had the balls. That did it though!
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2017 14:55:30 GMT -6
Everything has a shelf life GS has reached it's time they ran off the pros sucked the personality out of the place and it now feels way to much connected to the gear pimps! Some of their current strategy apperas to be pandering to trolls. I guess that's a natural evolution of their "all opinions are equal" attitude.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 25, 2017 14:57:34 GMT -6
Small is good!
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 25, 2017 15:00:03 GMT -6
From time to time I am at the GS board but overall quality opinions is always Real Gear Online. The problem with GS is it became a pure marketing place, paved with ads.
300 k memebers is not a sign of winning the game. Its a a big probloem because all those wannabees and weirdos write BS comments.
One more time--- qualitiy time for a forum is always RGO to me. I hope that RGO stays a small palce, becasue this is the only way we hold the quality standard high.
If I post something on RGO I know we have great expereinced AE here. I alwys ask myself two times if I can contribute something before I start to type. If you have millions of BS comments like on GS this jumps like virus on you and before you say no, you type BS too.
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Post by ulriggribbons on Aug 25, 2017 15:12:08 GMT -6
I agree that Facebook is not the future.
I would say the best approach is let the forum grow naturally. Try to recruit quality people to participate without it being a hard sell.
The TapeOp board got some much needed attention/upgrade, and is slowly increasing (it was pretty much dead for a couple years due to technical problems).
People want to hang out where they feel there is good information, and where people are respectful.
GroupDIY is one of those forums that has been around a long time now, and apart from the occasional drama, it has the right feel.
$.02
(and yes, I'm not a volume poster, but I still pop in to most forums and do my share of lurking/reading)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 25, 2017 15:15:44 GMT -6
Hell John, I'd pay $3 a month if that would help ease things up on you a little. I know people are used to everything being free nowadays, but a small nominal membership fee like that might work. Maybe after 6 months, you could then require that small fee?
Oh, you're so right, the mods at Gearslutz were extraordinarily screwed up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 15:43:41 GMT -6
Don't mind GS, if nothing else they are great at finding the diamond in the rough.. I can't justify spending another 40K on gear and selling it at quite the loss when circumstances change, in this day and age you'd have a hard time convincing me it's necessary. Although I am a gear snob and quite picky it seems.. Thanks to some decent advice and the help of our ragan , I've come a across a setup I wouldn't usually go for but it's one of the best setup's I've had so far.. Picked up the Dynaudio LYD48's, I'll be frank (you can James if you'd like) some of the best monitors I've heard and I did test out like 25 sets.. Some of these were reaching $5K + (USD that is).. I've never even considered Dynaudio before. After an extensive search for a mixing desk, I looked at everything from a Yamaha MGP to an SSL XL Desk.. Loving that Souncraft MTK, I thought it would be cheap and sucky.. Many convinced me it wasn't, they were right.! This time I honestly chucked budget to the side and just went for what sounds best to me. This is one of the advantages of a large user base, there's many options and opinions on the table. On the flip side, some people seemed to have owned everything.. Opinions vary just a little too wildly to trust straight up, I'm sure some gear became popular through hearsay.. I've come across the odd petty and shirty group although I take them with a pinch of salt. A lot of the experienced greats have left and I'm all for using your ears to determine gear but quite a few of people think science is some sort of witchcraft "voodoo", you can in reality back up these opinions, well there's a thread literally dedicated to busting myths from some of the industry leading EE's and "technical" sound engineers. Here's the thing though, once you've found a setup that works for you.. How much left is there to talk about? What we have left is the music and it's the most important bit.. Not sure if I'm missing something but that's the part many don't seem to care about?? There are some very helpful people in the songwriting forum which are helpful and give honest feedback, it does help.. So yeah, like any site it has it's problems but it ain't all bad.. P.S not sure how we got on to O-zone, but if you can't get professional mastering results with that then nothings going to help you..
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Post by yotonic on Aug 25, 2017 16:57:06 GMT -6
GS will absolutely NOT delete members even upon repeated requests. In order to get my account deleted I had to publicly challenge Joolz to delete it if he had the balls. That did it though! You're not kidding... looks like even our fearless leader is back in their 'good' graces! I happened to notice today the BANNED designation no longer besmirches his name... I'm quitting RGO if Kennedy loses his outlaw swagger.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2017 17:39:17 GMT -6
I've been involved in forum moderation since the 1980s. The basic problem is that a tiny number of very self-centered people can take up all of the oxygen. We all have a handful of people we'd just as soon avoid. As the quantity of people we interact with increases, that handful increases proportionally. This couldn't be more true. There have been a few of those types here. Dominated the board to the point of alienating other posters. Actually, one that is no longer here used to threaten people via PM.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2017 17:40:36 GMT -6
Forum traffic has plummeted thanks to Facebook. I'm not going to interact with people about Pro Audio on Facebook - where they can see pictures of my child and my political views.
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Post by stratboy on Aug 25, 2017 18:07:16 GMT -6
I'd pay $3 per month. Did anyone answer the question about BD analysis?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 25, 2017 19:38:11 GMT -6
$3 make sense. It's kinda like getting a Sound On Sound subscription, only interactive with some great people.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2017 20:12:19 GMT -6
From time to time I am at the GS board but overall quality opinions is always Real Gear Online. The problem with GS is it became a pure marketing place, paved with ads. The other, twin problem is the infestation of sock puppets, but that's been a problem there for quite awhile.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2017 20:13:47 GMT -6
I agree that Facebook is not the future. I would say the best approach is let the forum grow naturally. Try to recruit quality people to participate without it being a hard sell. The TapeOp board got some much needed attention/upgrade, and is slowly increasing (it was pretty much dead for a couple years due to technical problems). People want to hang out where they feel there is good information, and where people are respectful. GroupDIY is one of those forums that has been around a long time now, and apart from the occasional drama, it has the right feel. $.02 (and yes, I'm not a volume poster, but I still pop in to most forums and do my share of lurking/reading) Jon? Hi!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2017 20:54:13 GMT -6
The only problem with small is the burnout factor. I mean, where is Cowboy? Where is Littlesicily? I'm not admonishing them at all - hell, I'm kind of burnt out too...but you need to grow enough to have new members keep the fire alive.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2017 20:55:31 GMT -6
$3 make sense. It's kinda like getting a Sound On Sound subscription, only interactive with some great people. I just think it would kill the board honestly...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 25, 2017 21:10:54 GMT -6
You may be right John. Try to hang in here. This place is special, and you've made it so. I think it will grow. I'll try to help promote RGO a bit more.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 25, 2017 21:11:49 GMT -6
My suggestion to active members is If you can donate to help out then donate what you can. I have only gave $10 but plan to donate some more to " say thanks " ...
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Post by viciousbliss on Aug 25, 2017 21:17:26 GMT -6
New topics are important too. Without new ground being broken in the industry, there can be a lot less to talk about. If I come up with an interesting thought, I'll make a thread. But I try to keep it so I'm not creating a thread for every thought that pops in.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2017 21:18:00 GMT -6
$3 make sense. It's kinda like getting a Sound On Sound subscription, only interactive with some great people. I just think it would kill the board honestly... Yeah I think the donate if you can and want to will piss off less than a subscription plus You would Be suprised how much the mechanics of a low cost subscription cost!
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2017 21:19:55 GMT -6
New topics are important too. Without new ground being broken in the industry, there can be a lot less to talk about. If I come up with an interesting thought, I'll make a thread. But I try to keep it so I'm not creating a thread for every thought that pops in. That's the thing Topics used to move at GS now when I glance they just sit. The thing GS has is the wealth of knowledge in the old threads!
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Post by Quint on Aug 25, 2017 21:31:45 GMT -6
Agreed 100%. No need to be all things to all people. I don't post a whole lot here on RGO but I absolutely prefer RGO to GS. I know I've been guilty of getting sucked into bullshit on GS. I like it here way better. There is a general congeniality here that I like. I would have to think that expanding membership could diminish that. Maybe make it like Wikipedia with voluntary contributions. I would happily pony up a little bit to keep it small and NOT compromised.
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Post by Quint on Aug 25, 2017 21:39:47 GMT -6
$3 make sense. It's kinda like getting a Sound On Sound subscription, only interactive with some great people. I just think it would kill the board honestly... I think voluntary contributions is the better way to go. How much expense are we talking to keep it running?
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Post by viciousbliss on Aug 25, 2017 21:43:34 GMT -6
New topics are important too. Without new ground being broken in the industry, there can be a lot less to talk about. If I come up with an interesting thought, I'll make a thread. But I try to keep it so I'm not creating a thread for every thought that pops in. That's the thing Topics used to move at GS now when I glance they just sit. The thing GS has is the wealth of knowledge in the old threads! A big problem at GS is that when new products are out, the thread will be 4 pages long and maybe one person actually said something about the product. I've asked some basic questions in the Threadripper thread and it seems I'm being completely ignored while these guys discuss things in a way that only extremely techy people would understand. Like, it'd be great if someone in plain English just came out and said what its capabilities are thus far instead of leaving everyone else to decipher the tech talk. There's also a lot of assumption there, like on a lot of forums. Assumption that everyone is working the same way. Here, I think I get quite a bit better context when someone talks about something. There and on KVR, I just look to see if anyone uncovers objectively provable problems with something and test everything for myself. There's still times I'll get good info on GS, particularly in the analysis thread, but there's a lot to sift through to find the gems on other threads.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 26, 2017 8:17:15 GMT -6
Agreed 100%. No need to be all things to all people. I don't post a whole lot here on RGO but I absolutely prefer RGO to GS. I know I've been guilty of getting sucked into bullshit on GS. I like it here way better. There is a general congeniality here that I like. I would have to think that expanding membership could diminish that. Maybe make it like Wikipedia with voluntary contributions. I would happily pony up a little bit to keep it small and NOT compromised. Well. Just to let you all know, the donate button has been there since 2013...and I don't I've received more than $200.
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