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Post by wiz on Oct 24, 2014 16:46:08 GMT -6
I have been waiting a number of years to get a sound craft delta.. I would pay REALLY good money to get a Jim Williams tricked out one
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 24, 2014 17:18:22 GMT -6
cowboycoalminer should see this and comment, I believe he has a modded SoundCraft. I do indeed. Highly modded and I'm completely satisfied. I have no console envy whatsoever. Anything more would be the equivalent of having twelve inches where you can only use six. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 17:25:58 GMT -6
Well some would say this is modular, each ch is on its own PCB you just have to remove all the knobs and retaining nuts to remove the module. Spirts are the result of Harmon buying Speck, not bad but I prefer the Allen and Heath in that price range, I mixed on a Live Spirit for a year. Really? This board is NOT modular, by that standard everything is modular? you cannot pull a channel strip or any sub section out of the chassis in it's entirety from the top, thats traditionally what modular means, this rig clearly needs to pull from the underside, and would be an incredible pita to work on imo, but hey, have at it 8) |
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 24, 2014 17:26:05 GMT -6
What would be a good "older" console for someone that can't afford a Neve, SSL, API, or anything in that category? Something solid that probably never got much recognition? BTW I had the same question just a few months ago. I came to the conclusion that I can live with an Allan and Heath ZED 24. Due to the fact that my RME interfaces have plenty of routing options, and the good tech specs of the ZED series it was hard to justify buying a used D+R doing the recapping etc. Just my 2 cents… |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2014 17:40:39 GMT -6
Well some would say this is modular, each ch is on its own PCB you just have to remove all the knobs and retaining nuts to remove the module. Spirts are the result of Harmon buying Speck, not bad but I prefer the Allen and Heath in that price range, I mixed on a Live Spirit for a year. Really? This board is NOT modular, by that standard everything is modular? you cannot pull a channel strip or any sub section out of the chassis in it's entirety from the top, thats traditionally what modular means, this rig clearly needs to pull from the underside, and would be an incredible pita to work on imo, but hey, have at it 8) Tony Many ala Mackie Many Ramsas and Audient Put multiple Ch on a single PCB some older Peavys and other lowend Boards have as many 24 ch on one PCB! I have had to pull a module and swap on many boards where I have had to open the back remove all the knobs... I do agree that calling them modular is some what of a misnomer. We used to call them Semi modular, BUT THEN SOME AD GUY, decided that was a Ramsa where it was really simple to swap 4 Channels, and everybody else who put 8 or less ch on a PCB semi modular. So what do we call a board where each ch is on its own removable PCB but connected to common metal work? |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2014 17:43:51 GMT -6
The one other thing a true modular console can be just as much of a pain to work on if the ribbon cable is really short, or connectors are crappy! So old school modular is not a guarantee of ease of service it's all in the execution !
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 17:45:51 GMT -6
Really? This board is NOT modular, by that standard everything is modular? you cannot pull a channel strip or any sub section out of the chassis in it's entirety from the top, thats traditionally what modular means, this rig clearly needs to pull from the underside, and would be an incredible pita to work on imo, but hey, have at it 8) Tony Many ala Mackie Many Ramsas and Audient Put multiple Ch on a single PCB some older Peavys and other lowend Boards have as many 24 ch on one PCB! I have had to pull a module and swap on many boards where I have had to open the back remove all the knobs... I do agree that calling them modular is some what of a misnomer. We used to call them Semi modular, BUT THEN SOME AD GUY, decided that was a Ramsa where it was really simple to swap 4 Channels, and everybody else who put 8 or less ch on a PCB semi modular. So what do we call a board where each ch is on its own removable PCB but connected to common metal work? monolithic chassis design |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 17:47:18 GMT -6
The one other thing a true modular console can be just as much of a pain to work on if the ribbon cable is really short, or connectors are crappy! So old school modular is not a guarantee of ease of service it's all in the execution ! sorry bromee, i love ya man, but no way, i pull channel strips out and stickem back in like baseball cards 8) |
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2014 17:52:43 GMT -6
The one other thing a true modular console can be just as much of a pain to work on if the ribbon cable is really short, or connectors are crappy! So old school modular is not a guarantee of ease of service it's all in the execution ! sorry bromee, i love ya man, but no way, i pull channel strips out and stickem back in like baseball cards 8) Love you as well, But having done the live touring thing with no extra channels, the show must go on ! Way to manny gigs with the original 200SR or pick your least favorite Yammie! |
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 24, 2014 17:54:10 GMT -6
The love is strong with these two....
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2014 18:20:16 GMT -6
The love is strong with these two.... Brothers of different mothers, but they both say I'm the pretty one! |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 24, 2014 20:44:21 GMT -6
The concept of a plug in play modular design would work for me but when it comes to soldering I can do guitars, not consoles. If it needs to be modded I'm not the guy to do it, I like playing instruments.
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Post by dreyes111 on Oct 25, 2014 0:44:41 GMT -6
Friend has a mackie db8 32 channel mixer to protools LE and he' has a crapload of Grammys. I saw that mixer on ebay for 400 used. It's sounds great.
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Post by unit7 on Oct 25, 2014 1:46:53 GMT -6
What would be a good "older" console for someone that can't afford a Neve, SSL, API, or anything in that category? Something solid that probably never got much recognition? As you surely know used consoles is really the buyers market today. Sooo many options. A guy in our Harrison Series 12 User group recently was given (!) a Series 12 that he now offers parts from. You hear these stories a lot these days. I've browsed this thread but not sure if you said how much $. How do you plan to use it? Do you have any preference soundwise, a certain tone or more clean and versatile? A few guys over here (Sweden), not affording Neve, API & SSL, are buying used Calrec and Neotek dirt cheap. I'm not a big fan of Neotek, but Calrec is superb. If you believe you won't afford service engineers in the future I think it makes sense to buy a really cheap console that needs service, plan a few months to refurb yourself to make it work AND learn how to service. |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2014 7:29:31 GMT -6
What would be a good "older" console for someone that can't afford a Neve, SSL, API, or anything in that category? Something solid that probably never got much recognition? As you surely know used consoles is really the buyers market today. Sooo many options. A guy in our Harrison Series 12 User group recently was given (!) a Series 12 that he is now offers parts from. You hear these stories a lot these days. I've browsed this thread but not sure if you said how much $. How do you plan to use it? Do you have any preference soundwise, a certain tone or more clean and versatile? A few guys over here (Sweden), not affording Neve, API & SSL, are buying used Calrec and Neotek dirt cheap. I'm not a big fan of Neotek, but Calrec is superb. If you believe you won't afford service engineers in the future I think it makes sense to buy a really cheap console that needs service, plan a few months to refurb yourself to make it work AND learn how to service. Under 1k is my budget. |
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Post by dreyes111 on Oct 25, 2014 7:44:12 GMT -6
Honestly, I have a studiolive 24 I bought for shits and giggles and it sounds really good. I also have an apollo too and this thing indeed sounds top knotch. I seen the studiolive 16s going cheap...
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 25, 2014 16:52:33 GMT -6
As you surely know used consoles is really the buyers market today. Sooo many options. A guy in our Harrison Series 12 User group recently was given (!) a Series 12 that he is now offers parts from. You hear these stories a lot these days. I've browsed this thread but not sure if you said how much $. How do you plan to use it? Do you have any preference soundwise, a certain tone or more clean and versatile? A few guys over here (Sweden), not affording Neve, API & SSL, are buying used Calrec and Neotek dirt cheap. I'm not a big fan of Neotek, but Calrec is superb. If you believe you won't afford service engineers in the future I think it makes sense to buy a really cheap console that needs service, plan a few months to refurb yourself to make it work AND learn how to service. Under 1k is my budget. For gods sake if the budget is tight watch into the A+H zed series. Plan something extra for cables and you are ready to go. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZED24 |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2014 17:15:40 GMT -6
The ZED series doesn't have direct outs for every channel, unlike the A&H MixWizard4 12:2. Isn't this feature a must for recording consoles? Like I mentioned earlier I can use adapters in the Inserts but then everything is pre fader, which basically makes all the features of the console useless. To my knowledge anyway.. |
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 25, 2014 17:25:48 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2014 17:38:27 GMT -6
Theirs a a GS3 on eBay , that needs work much better, than a zed! But it needs work!
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Post by popmann on Oct 25, 2014 18:00:11 GMT -6
The more direct answer, Mo....is that witha direct out, it's prefader nearly all the time by design.
Which is why you see buss designs--sound come into channel--you EQ, compress, set fader--whatever, and send it to a buss, which is patch into a channel of the recorder. That way, you can sub mics as needed, as well....
Ideal recording boards have both designs....but, the ZED things are also interfaces (ADA+USB interface) to the computer, so while I don't know whether the taps/sends are pre or post fader---that's what you're looking for. I know Mackie's are switchable in case you want to EQ the feed to "tape"...or get the cleaner tap off the preamp and monitor with the fader.
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Post by wiz on Oct 25, 2014 18:11:33 GMT -6
some ZEDS have no direct outs.
Some ZEDS have direct outs and you can (internal jumper) set them pre or post
One ZED has Firewire
Some Zeds have USB that gives you a two track mix at 16 bit.
The mix wizard series have pre post selectable on the direct outs, internal jumper
I have been looking at all these for some time, looking at specs
I borrowed a ZED22 here and did some testing.
I used a mix wizard mixing a band from stage for a couple of years.
I don't think there is any massive great sonic difference between the two..... using them at line level.
I personally, would want direct outs that are post fader for the studio .. because most likely I would go in line (bypass the preamp) and shoot back out to the daw.
I am still on the fence about a mixer...
The plus with the mix wizard series is they are rack mountable.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2014 18:29:32 GMT -6
I don't track bands (yet) but I'd like the option of recording my own band live at practice. |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2014 18:37:25 GMT -6
Great explanations guys! I'll be a rookie for a while to come but this is why I'm here.
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2014 18:57:52 GMT -6
Theirs a 32 ch ML300 32 for $900 at one of the Music Go Rounds in MA, it's a live frame, but take a look at the documents on line .
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