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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 30, 2023 11:46:51 GMT -6
Here we have a quick one take vocal simultaneously recorded through the mics above. I have spent a long time trying to find a CK12 capsule that I felt sounded like the real thing and I am very happy with the margin between this 1960's C12a and a 2023 BC12a Tube version. I'm really happy with it in my 251 clones too so I feel it does the trick for me. I'm not the only one who feels like this, other people have claimed these could both be vintage AKG's. Well done mics, great work as usual. Thanks again. Only thing is these are Mp3's due to file size but anyway see what you think folks..... Attachments:MIC A.mp3 (1.67 MB)
MIC B.mp3 (1.67 MB)
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 30, 2023 14:23:42 GMT -6
Cool test! Thanks!
I already posted my thoughts on Gs.
Listening again I still like whichever mic B is here. It is a bit dark but it feels a bit bigger and compressed sounding, there’s something kind of smokey that I like though it needs to be opened up quite a bit.
I do mostly acoustic stuff with very sparse arrangements so it just fits better what I’m usually looking for though depending on context I could easily pick mic A.
I’ve never used a C12 so no idea which is which from any kind of experience though I assume A is the Beesneez because I feel capsule 2 and 3 in the GS thread sounded like the same capsule but in a different circuit, and unless my ears are shot A here is capsule 2.
Beesneez are on top my list of mics I’d love to try
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Post by smashlord on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:30 GMT -6
I like B as well. A has a top end resonance that I would want to yank out and that might be problematic if you were to boost some top end.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 30, 2023 14:43:40 GMT -6
This is great Paul, thanks for sharing.
This one's a tie for me. I like both equally, but for different reasons. B has a smoother top end, A has a clearer midrange. I could absolutely get along with either.
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Post by reddirt on Dec 30, 2023 17:34:36 GMT -6
Thanks for you work on this Paul, I slightly prefer B but they are close and in fact I don't go for either for this Vox. My gut says, I'd need to work with that style of cap in my own mic before being certain of appraisal.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 30, 2023 19:29:07 GMT -6
Thanks for your impressions guys it means a lot.
I agree about the style of mic for my Son’s rough vocals. He sounds better on a U47 but the C12 capsule he hasn’t learned to work so much.
I feel it does however highlight the difference or similarities between the 2.
Keep it coming and I’ll reveal in a day or so.
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Post by robo on Dec 30, 2023 20:18:12 GMT -6
They both sound like great mics. A has a slightly more compressed, controlled midrange which compliments the vocal here. B has a more open, dimensional thing happening, which I could see being the thing for a different voice/delivery.
Thanks for posting the comparison!
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Post by nomatic on Dec 31, 2023 7:15:21 GMT -6
I prefer B slightly on this test but the mics are pretty close and in the hands of a good engineer could be tweaked to taste in mere minutes.
A seems a little more shouty between 800 and 1.8 ish but I am nitpicking.
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Post by frans on Dec 31, 2023 7:42:24 GMT -6
Both seem good to use for me. Or close enough not to care either which i'd use as long as the source fits it. A friend of mine got a C12 so i have an excuse for buying a BC12a tube just to compare it :-) I should sell more of my stuff to Australia to get one.
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 31, 2023 7:42:35 GMT -6
I prefer B slightly on this test but the mics are pretty close and in the hands of a good engineer could be tweaked to taste in mere minutes. A seems a little more shouty between 800 and 1.8 ish but I am nitpicking. I agree, and agree most experienced guys could get them closer very easily. When I flick back and forth they are close enough already that with a touch of smart eq or multi band compression they wouldn't disturb a mix. It's interesting how the Mp3 squash has influenced the sound. The singing is worthy of the current buzzword "strident" though. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 31, 2023 7:45:53 GMT -6
I prefer B slightly on this test but the mics are pretty close and in the hands of a good engineer could be tweaked to taste in mere minutes. A seems a little more shouty between 800 and 1.8 ish but I am nitpicking. Also it's interesting that your criticism contradicts Robo's. We all hear so differently. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 31, 2023 8:05:33 GMT -6
It'd be interesting to hear both mics with the same tube ( if that's even possible ).
On a 47 or 67, I feel I've heard more drastic differences with tube changes than between these 2 mics.
Though maybe the C12 circuit maybe isn't as sensitive to tube change as 47s or 67s
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Post by nomatic on Dec 31, 2023 8:49:44 GMT -6
I prefer B slightly on this test but the mics are pretty close and in the hands of a good engineer could be tweaked to taste in mere minutes. A seems a little more shouty between 800 and 1.8 ish but I am nitpicking. Also it's interesting that your criticism contradicts Robo's. We all hear so differently. Yeah I may be more sensitive to certain frequencies after 30 years. At this point I can make most decent mics into whats needed for a good mix. We have arrived at the point where the new stuff is so good I don't really think about vintage gear. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 31, 2023 14:44:00 GMT -6
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Post by christopher on Dec 31, 2023 15:38:39 GMT -6
Both are pretty similar. A has a nice robust response. I’d patch a compressor first, then consider how that affects it, and how I’d possibly use EQ. I’m surprised how controlled B is, I’d patch an EQ first and see what that brings out. seems like it could handle top end boost nicely. Not sure I’d reach for a compressor
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Post by chessparov on Dec 31, 2023 17:10:51 GMT -6
Preferred B (Fuller).
Glad Paul said they could be EQ'd accordingly to taste.
Chris
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 1, 2024 4:26:54 GMT -6
So B was for Beesneez. It did pretty well over here. Thanks again for all those that took part.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 1, 2024 4:49:09 GMT -6
Way to go beesneez!
I like what I’m hearing
Amazing the quality mics you can get these days for relatively good prices
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Post by mics on Jan 1, 2024 4:51:25 GMT -6
Way to go beesneez! I like what I’m hearing Amazing the quality mics you can get these days for relatively good prices Thanks mate! We’re trying mighty hard!!! |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 1, 2024 6:32:51 GMT -6
So B was for Beesneez. It did pretty well over here. Thanks again for all those that took part. So .... I preferred the vintage 1960's C12a. Old ears - old school. Seems I can't escape my age  |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 1, 2024 12:18:27 GMT -6
Deleted (See below)
Chris
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Post by ab101 on Jan 1, 2024 13:01:49 GMT -6
Yay for Ben and BN! Love mine!
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 1, 2024 13:03:05 GMT -6
Or EQ.  Spoke to the Soundguy yesterday, on his set up of the "British Isle New Year's".* He has "Rock and Roll" ears. So like a pair of Speakers/Headphones with a rolled off response... It's adjusted accordingly. Nice analogy. Me? Probably around a healthy youngin', still in their 30's. (Was above 22KHz supposedly when 5-6!!) They re-tested me at least twice each time, since it was superior to all the other kids at Elementary School. So they said anyway. Chris *Over around 4PM Pacific due to the 8 hours ahead! My hearing is still very good. By old ears, I simply meant - old taste in what constitutes great audio. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 1, 2024 13:36:45 GMT -6
Oops. Sorry.
Glad for that HT.
Chris
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 1, 2024 16:52:17 GMT -6
It'd be interesting to hear both mics with the same tube ( if that's even possible ). On a 47 or 67, I feel I've heard more drastic differences with tube changes than between these 2 mics. Though maybe the C12 circuit maybe isn't as sensitive to tube change as 47s or 67s I agree a 67 is a totally different mic with different tubes. What amazes me here is as you say for very different tubes and mics made 60 years later to sound so similar. It’s incredible really. mics is working magic. I don’t need any more mic’s but when I hear voodoo like this I’m sold. Thanks Ben! |
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