|
|
Post by gwlee7 on Jul 14, 2022 13:43:35 GMT -6
Holy shit. No wonder you guys recommended it. I stuck it in front of an amp and I was done. Fuck me. 😂
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 13:44:15 GMT -6
Aye, I took the bite from this forum and I've been using it on bass / electric geetar cab constantly.
|
|
|
|
Post by dok on Jul 14, 2022 15:27:05 GMT -6
better than an m160? Cuz those are usually pretty much done, too.
|
|
|
|
Post by gwlee7 on Jul 14, 2022 15:54:45 GMT -6
I can’t speak to M160.
|
|
|
|
Post by drumsound on Jul 15, 2022 1:14:47 GMT -6
Holy shit. No wonder you guys recommended it. I stuck it in front of an amp and I was done. Fuck me. 😂 Aye, I took the bite from this forum and I've been using it on bass / electric geetar cab constantly. Come, my children and bask in the glory of the M88. better than an m160? Cuz those are usually pretty much done, too. Much less boring |
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Jul 15, 2022 7:12:54 GMT -6
Holy shit. No wonder you guys recommended it. I stuck it in front of an amp and I was done. Fuck me. 😂 I've got an early minty fresh 80's silver head basket M88 - it's fabulous. If I was told I could have one mic to make an entire album it would be an M88. Stick it in a kick drum, on floor tom, on a snare - congas, tambourine then in front of a bass cab, sax, windchimes .... on and on and on. And a guitar cab as you've discovered - even an acoustic guitar as it has an extended top end for a dynamic mic. Then you can cut a world class vocal with it and when you've done with all that .... take it on stage and on the road for all and any of the above. It's a GOAT mic. That said on my guitar cab I tend towards a AEA R92 and SM57 but that's not always and sometimes I'll use the 88. |
|
|
|
Post by schmalzy on Jul 15, 2022 9:02:07 GMT -6
Great mic.
I'm upset I only have 1 and it's an older one (the guy I bought it from said 60s). I'd absolutely love to have 4 or 5 more that match. I think these would be killer on toms. I don't think I'd stick it in a kick simply because I can't risk it blowing up as they've been rumored to do. It's great on snare. Great on a vocal. Great on a guitar amp. Great on a bass amp. Great on aux percussion. I think it would be great on a fiddle but every time I've had a bowed instrument in here it's normally all happening in such a rush that I'm not about to spend time speculatively trying a mic.
It's just so damn good.
|
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Jul 15, 2022 9:25:13 GMT -6
Great mic. I'm upset I only have 1 and it's an older one (the guy I bought it from said 60s). I'd absolutely love to have 4 or 5 more that match. I think these would be killer on toms. I don't think I'd stick it in a kick simply because I can't risk it blowing up as they've been rumored to do. It's great on snare. Great on a vocal. Great on a guitar amp. Great on a bass amp. Great on aux percussion. I think it would be great on a fiddle but every time I've had a bowed instrument in here it's normally all happening in such a rush that I'm not about to spend time speculatively trying a mic. It's just so damn good. Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. |
|
|
|
Post by Quint on Jul 15, 2022 9:31:22 GMT -6
Great mic. I'm upset I only have 1 and it's an older one (the guy I bought it from said 60s). I'd absolutely love to have 4 or 5 more that match. I think these would be killer on toms. I don't think I'd stick it in a kick simply because I can't risk it blowing up as they've been rumored to do. It's great on snare. Great on a vocal. Great on a guitar amp. Great on a bass amp. Great on aux percussion. I think it would be great on a fiddle but every time I've had a bowed instrument in here it's normally all happening in such a rush that I'm not about to spend time speculatively trying a mic. It's just so damn good. Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. Do the new ones and old ones sound the same? |
|
|
|
Post by bikescene on Jul 15, 2022 14:51:11 GMT -6
I have a M201 and have been thinking about either adding a M88 or M160 to the mic locker. Hows the proximity effect on the M88 compared to other dynamics on guitar amps? Are you guys using it on big 4x12s or smaller combos?
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,953 
|
Post by ericn on Jul 15, 2022 15:40:34 GMT -6
OK here is the real question is there a Beyer that really sucks?
I mean I can’t remember a wired buyer I ever sold that came back!
The Beyer wireless had problems with some 9 volts because 9 volts come in to very, very very slightly different lengths and rather than use a pigtail 9volt connector they used a stationary connector that wasn’t tight against the batteries terminals. If you used the wrong brand of 9 volt and didn’t use a small shim the weight of the battery would cause it to fall off the terminal.
Guess how I learned this fun fact, a Full Compass company wide meeting with Jonathan Lipp the founder was about to make a speech and we had just purchased a bunch of Beyer so I wanted to show off one of the wireless we had a couple of pallets . Would have been a total embarrassment if I hadn’t had a wired back up that I grabbed and said “ this is a lesson in the fact that any wireless is at its best an OK substitute for a $10 HOSA mic cable and why with every wireless you should sell a wired Backup.”
Yep even then I was an arogant, but professional horses ass.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tbone81 on Jul 15, 2022 16:11:58 GMT -6
I have a M201 and have been thinking about either adding a M88 or M160 to the mic locker. Hows the proximity effect on the M88 compared to other dynamics on guitar amps? Are you guys using it on big 4x12s or smaller combos? Off the top of my head I can’t really speak to the proximity effect of the m88 vs m201…but I will say I enjoy the m201 on guitar cabs more than the m88. They’re both stellar but i find the m201 to fair better on electric guitars. The m88 I’d say is a better all rounder, it sounds great on more sources (drums, vocals, percussion etc) than the m201. Although the m201 is no slouch. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 7:37:57 GMT -6
OK here is the real question is there a Beyer that really sucks? I mean I can’t remember a wired buyer I ever sold that came back! Well I've only bought 3 Beyer mic's, 2X M930 and a M88 but I've been impressed with both types. The DTX700 pro's are one of the best headphones I've come across and they replaced a pair of Sennheiser 650's and an Audio Technica ATH-R70X.
So thus far I've yet to find anything they do that "sucks".
|
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Jul 16, 2022 10:54:18 GMT -6
Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. Do the new ones and old ones sound the same? When, in pro audio, do the new things ever sound better than the old things!! Of course my 80's silver basket M88 sounds better than a modern black M88 TG model. Three simple reasons. 1. It's older 2. I've got an silver basket 80's M88 3. I've got an silver basket 80's M88 Can I hear any difference between the two, I don't know, I've never heard a TG model  |
|
|
|
Post by askomiko on Jul 16, 2022 11:29:46 GMT -6
Proximity is strong, as is directivity. Great mic. M201 wins for distorted guitars though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 12:58:15 GMT -6
Do the new ones and old ones sound the same? When, in pro audio, do the new things ever sound better than the old things!! They often do but I can see why many defer to the classics. After a lot of failures whilst mooching around the low end I discovered a couple of mic's I wouldn't replace with any Neumann, in fact I sold most of my upper end brand mic's. In hindsight I should have kept the U47FET but the Beyer is doing well enough.. I kept my U67 but eventually I'll be looking to replace it with a Bock 67. |
|
|
|
Post by Tbone81 on Jul 16, 2022 16:10:34 GMT -6
When, in pro audio, do the new things ever sound better than the old things!! They often do but I can see why many defer to the classics. After a lot of failures whilst mooching around the low end I discovered a couple of mic's I wouldn't replace with any Neumann, in fact I sold most of my upper end brand mic's. In hindsight I should have kept the U47FET but the Beyer is doing well enough.. I kept my U67 but eventually I'll be looking to replace it with a Bock 67. it’s totally off topic but would you care to elaborate on you mic choices? I’m interested in the mics that you’ve ended up with. And what leads you to the bock 67 vs your Neumann (or any clone for that matter)? Thanks |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 17:21:36 GMT -6
They often do but I can see why many defer to the classics. After a lot of failures whilst mooching around the low end I discovered a couple of mic's I wouldn't replace with any Neumann, in fact I sold most of my upper end brand mic's. In hindsight I should have kept the U47FET but the Beyer is doing well enough.. I kept my U67 but eventually I'll be looking to replace it with a Bock 67. it’s totally off topic but would you care to elaborate on you mic choices? I’m interested in the mics that you’ve ended up with. And what leads you to the bock 67 vs your Neumann (or any clone for that matter)? Thanks Well, I said I'll replace it with a Bock 67 but that's more of a hypothesis at this point. From the clips I've heard of the Soundelux U99 / Bock I've been really impressed, however when it gets into the studio? Who knows.
Anyway, not all of the replacements were low end but some were. Easier to do a short list:
KM56's -> Schoeps MK4's U87AI -> ISK 2B Beauty Gen 2 (251 style mic) M149 -> Sennheiser MD441 U89 -> Gefell UMT70S U47Fet -> Beyer M88
I picked up a Shure KSM32 and a Warm WA-8000 as well. Pretty good, the U67 is the only Neumann I have left..
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,953
|
Post by ericn on Jul 16, 2022 17:45:57 GMT -6
it’s totally off topic but would you care to elaborate on you mic choices? I’m interested in the mics that you’ve ended up with. And what leads you to the bock 67 vs your Neumann (or any clone for that matter)? Thanks Well, I said I'll replace it with a Bock 67 but that's more of a hypothesis at this point. From the clips I've heard of the Soundelux U99 / Bock I've been really impressed, however when it gets into the studio? Who knows.
Anyway, not all of the replacements were low end but some were. Easier to do a short list:
KM56's -> Schoeps MK4's U87AI -> ISK 2B Beauty Gen 2 (251 style mic) M149 -> Sennheiser MD441 U89 -> Gefell UMT70S U47Fet -> Beyer M88
I picked up a Shure KSM32 and a Warm WA-8000 as well. Pretty good, the U67 is the only Neumann I have left..
Well Gefell only dropped the “Neumann “ to keep from getting sued so let’s say 1.5?😎 |
|
|
|
Post by Omicron9 on Jul 16, 2022 18:27:50 GMT -6
it’s totally off topic but would you care to elaborate on you mic choices? I’m interested in the mics that you’ve ended up with. And what leads you to the bock 67 vs your Neumann (or any clone for that matter)? Thanks Well, I said I'll replace it with a Bock 67 but that's more of a hypothesis at this point. From the clips I've heard of the Soundelux U99 / Bock I've been really impressed, however when it gets into the studio? Who knows.
Anyway, not all of the replacements were low end but some were. Easier to do a short list:
KM56's -> Schoeps MK4's U87AI -> ISK 2B Beauty Gen 2 (251 style mic) M149 -> Sennheiser MD441 U89 -> Gefell UMT70S U47Fet -> Beyer M88
I picked up a Shure KSM32 and a Warm WA-8000 as well. Pretty good, the U67 is the only Neumann I have left..
Big, big fan of the KSM-32 here. My pair is in constant use for something and always sounds right. -09 |
|
|
|
Post by gwlee7 on Jul 16, 2022 19:00:36 GMT -6
Gefells rule. I love mine. This M88 rules too. Amazing how much better I track stuff using decent mics.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tbone81 on Jul 16, 2022 20:06:56 GMT -6
Gefells rule. I love mine. This M88 rules too. Amazing how much better I track stuff using decent mics. If you haven’t all ready done so, try the m88 on vocals. It can be perfect on the right voice. |
|
|
|
Post by phdamage on Jul 16, 2022 21:57:53 GMT -6
M88 with a Joly ribbon of some kind my go to for a long while on guitars (and bass amps with an AT4033). I have a lot more options these days but can’t imagine selling either of my pair. They still get some use and they just work
|
|
|
|
Post by schmalzy on Jul 17, 2022 9:14:39 GMT -6
Great mic. I'm upset I only have 1 and it's an older one (the guy I bought it from said 60s). I'd absolutely love to have 4 or 5 more that match. I think these would be killer on toms. I don't think I'd stick it in a kick simply because I can't risk it blowing up as they've been rumored to do. It's great on snare. Great on a vocal. Great on a guitar amp. Great on a bass amp. Great on aux percussion. I think it would be great on a fiddle but every time I've had a bowed instrument in here it's normally all happening in such a rush that I'm not about to spend time speculatively trying a mic. It's just so damn good. Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. I appreciate the heads-up. I had heard the older ones were more fragile so decided after I got mine and heard how good it was on everything else that it will never be in a kick drum. I plan to try it as an outside kick when I have more than one. It's indispensable so I'll need an extra if I want to do any experimenting. It's GREAT as a snare shell mic or as that over-the-kick mic the cool kids are talking about these days. Great as a room mic...the list goes on! |
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Jul 17, 2022 10:52:39 GMT -6
Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. Do the new ones and old ones sound the same? Good question. Some say that the old ones are slightly better, some don't. I have never had a chance to directly compare new to old, but have owned both and to me the new one is perfectly fine. The differences are in the grill and possibly the foam filter. The original Beyer design for the M88 and M69 had a fairly fragile phase plug assembly that couild have the supports damaged in a way that permitted the plug to be forced back onto contact with the diaphragm. It had little feat to prevent the grill from hiiting the plug but those broke off fairly easily. |
|
