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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2022 13:50:32 GMT -6
When I reinstall, first thing is to set the skin to reaper 1.0.
My templates have my other gui settings already. Besides my foldering, I also pulled up the effects/send/receive toolbar above the bottom mixer. That way I never have to open the plugin box again.
Then I modify grid snapping so it doesn't snap until I get really close to a grid line.
That's it.
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Post by popmann on Apr 5, 2022 14:07:37 GMT -6
I think switching DAWs is often a waste of time/energy. ...and I say that as someone who has done it plenty, for various reasons over a long time. As to continuing to pay Steinberg...I mean, ok...I get that Reaper is cheaper. But, I bought v4 for $400 in like 2006 (crossgrade from DP3)...skipped 5 and 5.5 all togehther--not worth the upgrade price (IMO)...and bought into v6 for $150 in say 2010'ish? I had just built a new hardware machine for the SPECIFIC purpose of sequencing big RAM VIs...and the 64bit was now stable. Was i pissed that they've promised that as an upgrade selling v4...and ended up delivering it with v5? Sure. I used that until after I built this machine in 2018...I actually DID still use v6...until they had some kind of upgrade sale...something was like $150 or something. Means I've paid $700 over 15 years? I get that Reaper would be less than that...but, I'd point out that when I ran it through it's paces in 2009 building the new 64 bit machine, it was USELESS at integrating both my MCU extenders and the racks of analog hardware. So--it's been a long time, and they've consistently improved it. The biggest flaw is that it's made by someone who has no experience with DAWs FOR people who have no experience with DAWs. Hiring designers with experience would make the thing cost more...and it honestly IS "good enough" for a huge marketshare. Anyway--but, my point applies to IT--I'm not typing this to rag Reaper. If you love and are used to Reaper, it's likely a waste of time to switch to something else. OP would be better off getting specific about the "killer feature" that seems vague to me...web remote? I mean you can do that a LOT of ways in Cubase...so there must be some specific type of control or something? If you're asking my advice, and I get that you're not ...I'd advise you to look into how you could do something "like that" with Cubase. The money thing seems more emotional than logical bottom line. You don't NEED every version of Cubase. Unless you're on a Mac. Then, sure...it's $70/year or whatever MacTax if you need to keep updating OSX, you have to keep updating Cubase, but it's still not LOTS of money.
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Post by schmalzy on Apr 5, 2022 14:11:00 GMT -6
I'm a Reaper user as well. I'm baffled by some of the complaints about it.
ESPECIALLY the takes/comping system. Here's what I do:
Record to the track as many times as I need to. One over the next one. No setting up an extra lane or anything like that. It automatically creates separate layers of audio in the same spot. After I record the takes and need to comp the section, I listen, hit the T key, listen again, hit the T key, listen again, hit the T key, repeat as necessary. The T key steps through the takes and lets you pick whichever you want. Split with S if you need to work in smaller bits, shuffle through takes with T (shift+T goes backwards through the takes). If you prefer to just punch over the top of something there's a "tape mode" or something like that.
I'm perplexed by people saying it's harder to manage the takes/playlisting system than something else. I've used Logic. I've used PT. I've watched people use Cubase. I don't think any of them are especially difficult in use but they're definitely not significantly easier. Habits form rigid neural pathways, I guess.
Only thing that crashes Reaper for me are plugins with lots of graphic detail. I'm on a 2015 iMac and I think that has more to do with it than anything else.
I come from a video editing world where you do the same sort of command thousands of times on a project so you set up a shortcut that's situated near your keyboard hand's resting position and improve your life 2 seconds at a time. Reaper's ability to be so customizable is huge. For example: I have a shortcut set up to step back ten samples and split the item. Why? Because when I'm gating things by hand I can be a little further zoomed out so I can see more of the screen, waste less time scrolling, and make sure my cut includes rather than excludes any little bit of sound I might not be clicking accurately enough for.
I try not to be too annoying about it but, damn, Reaper has just always been so solid and stayed out of my way which is what I need in order for my creativity to take over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 14:14:33 GMT -6
I'm a Reaper user as well. I'm baffled by some of the complaints about it. ESPECIALLY the takes/comping system. Here's what I do: Record to the track as many times as I need to. One over the next one. No setting up an extra lane or anything like that. It automatically creates separate layers of audio in the same spot. After I record the takes and need to comp the section, I listen, hit the T key, listen again, hit the T key, listen again, hit the T key, repeat as necessary. The T key steps through the takes and lets you pick whichever you want. Split with S if you need to work in smaller bits, shuffle through takes with T (shift+T goes backwards through the takes). I'm perplexed by people saying it's harder to manage the takes/playlisting system than something else. I've used Logic. I've used PT. I've watched people use Cubase. I don't think any of them are especially difficult in use but they're definitely not significantly easier. Habits form rigid neural pathways, I guess. Only thing that crashes Reaper for me are plugins with lots of graphic detail. I'm on a 2015 iMac and I think that has more to do with it than anything else. I come from a video editing world where you do the same sort of command thousands of times on a project so you set up a shortcut that's situated near your keyboard hand's resting position and improve your life 2 seconds at a time. Reaper's ability to be so customizable is huge. For example: I have a shortcut set up to step back ten samples and split the item. Why? Because when I'm gating things by hand I can be a little further zoomed out so I can see more of the screen, waste less time scrolling, and make sure my cut includes rather than excludes any little bit of sound I might not be clicking accurately enough for. I try not to be too annoying about it but, damn, Reaper has just always been so solid and stayed out of my way which is what I need in order for my creativity to take over. Those are bad plugin gui calls. Many are littered with them and they're certainly not going to optimize whatever fix they have for an older mac at this point.
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Post by jaba on Apr 5, 2022 14:31:16 GMT -6
If you're comfortable with what you got going with Cubase, and don't NEED to switch, I'd vote to stay put. It's rare you really need to upgrade all that often (I'm still on Cubase 9.0, know it, and don't feel it slows me down at all) unless there are new features that will make your life easier.
Then again, some people like to switch things up to prevent getting into habits/ruts. Keeps them sharp and forces them to do something different. Others find the newness distracting and end up spending too much time figuring out how to <whatever> and their flow gets thrown off.
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Post by jmoose on Apr 5, 2022 14:47:57 GMT -6
I won't say that Reaper is the worst piece of software I've ever used... I'll just say what one of my friends did...
Something like - Reaper was great in the beginning when I had never used any other DAW but after using some of the industry standards you realize how terrible it is.
Here's the thing. Switching platforms? I've never been in a professional studio that runs Reaper. Never. Not once.
It's always a hobby studio and usually a PC/windows gamer type. Not that I'm stereotyping, but draw your own conclusions...
The world runs on Logic & PT. I use Logic not because its my favorite but the circles I travel? Everyone else is there so why make things difficult?
In the past I've made attempts to get into Reaper and always gave up in frustration. Would maybe a load a project to dink around with editing & mixing... spend 45 minutes trying to do vocal comps... then give up switch back & get my comp done in 7 minutes flat.
Yeah yeah... the argument that you can reskin & customize everything to look & respond just like PT or whatever. Ok. But why would anyone spend time doing that when you could just load PT & get to work?
I'm sure there's someone out there using Reaper everyday in a professional capacity. I've just never met them.
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Post by christopher on Apr 5, 2022 15:17:17 GMT -6
It’s super incredibly silly pro studios don’t use it. Every studio I walk into, I always pester them to at least install it. Not because I think it’s superior, it’s because the walled garden acce$$ to a DAW is such a pia, esp for an industry in total financial meltdown. But I think Logic will take over as cheap DAW. Still need a Mac though, that screws musicians who spend on guitars not computers at home
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2022 16:32:05 GMT -6
I won't say that Reaper is the worst piece of software I've ever used... I'll just say what one of my friends did... Something like - Reaper was great in the beginning when I had never used any other DAW but after using some of the industry standards you realize how terrible it is. Here's the thing. Switching platforms? I've never been in a professional studio that runs Reaper. Never. Not once. It's always a hobby studio and usually a PC/windows gamer type. Not that I'm stereotyping, but draw your own conclusions... The world runs on Logic & PT. I use Logic not because its my favorite but the circles I travel? Everyone else is there so why make things difficult? In the past I've made attempts to get into Reaper and always gave up in frustration. Would maybe a load a project to dink around with editing & mixing... spend 45 minutes trying to do vocal comps... then give up switch back & get my comp done in 7 minutes flat. Yeah yeah... the argument that you can reskin & customize everything to look & respond just like PT or whatever. Ok. But why would anyone spend time doing that when you could just load PT & get to work? I'm sure there's someone out there using Reaper everyday in a professional capacity. I've just never met them. For one, you just run takes. You can even have reaper loop the recording and you can just do takes back to back. Hit S to slice at every point you might want to comp together. Now you can select a section and loop it while you hit T or U to cycle forward or backward through the takes as you loop the selection. It's literally the fastest vocal comping I've ever done in any DAW. No offense meant, but anyone who uses reaper for editing knows that by what you said you've never really looked deeper than the first layer and never given it a fair shake.
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Post by jmoose on Apr 5, 2022 17:06:45 GMT -6
In the past I've made attempts to get into Reaper and always gave up in frustration. Would maybe a load a project to dink around with editing & mixing... spend 45 minutes trying to do vocal comps... then give up switch back & get my comp done in 7 minutes flat. For one, you just run takes. You can even have reaper loop the recording and you can just do takes back to back. Hit S to slice at every point you might want to comp together. That's completely not what I said. Lets try again? What does loading & editing a previously tracked session have to do with cutting fresh takes..? Raw wav files = new recording? Huh? Not that I care. What DAW someone uses is completely irrelevant to me. Now if it was a platform that I ran into on a regular basis... people asking me to use it, having to use it at other shops that's one thing. I'd have to put the time in to gain at least basic functionality. But nobody has ever asked me to work in Reaper and I've never had to use it when booking a shop. Last time I tried it felt like a bad windows 98 experience... then I thought why am I even bothering with this? Just my experiences. Stay frosty!
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Post by jacobamerritt on Apr 5, 2022 17:10:35 GMT -6
I won't say that Reaper is the worst piece of software I've ever used... I'll just say what one of my friends did... Something like - Reaper was great in the beginning when I had never used any other DAW but after using some of the industry standards you realize how terrible it is. Here's the thing. Switching platforms? I've never been in a professional studio that runs Reaper. Never. Not once. It's always a hobby studio and usually a PC/windows gamer type. Not that I'm stereotyping, but draw your own conclusions... I'm sure there's someone out there using Reaper everyday in a professional capacity. I've just never met them. Reaper isn't 'terrible' - far from it. Which is it, some people use it professionally or they dont? Its very popular in the audio for video game/SFX world. Plenty of musicians and 'pros' use it. I know this is a place for opinions, but had to reply because this felt more like a string of generalizations and misinformation. Again, to each their own. If it has features you think you might like and arent available in what you use, why not try it?
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2022 17:17:18 GMT -6
For one, you just run takes. You can even have reaper loop the recording and you can just do takes back to back. Hit S to slice at every point you might want to comp together. That's completely not what I said. Lets try again? What does loading & editing a previously tracked session have to do with cutting fresh takes..? Raw wav files = new recording? Huh? Not that I care. What DAW someone uses is completely irrelevant to me. Now if it was a platform that I ran into on a regular basis... people asking me to use it, having to use it at other shops that's one thing. I'd have to put the time in to gain at least basic functionality. But nobody has ever asked me to work in Reaper and I've never had to use it when booking a shop. Last time I tried it felt like a bad windows 98 experience... then I thought why am I even bothering with this? Just my experiences. Stay frosty! So cut out the looping recording takes portion of what I said. Just play the tracks and hit S at slice points then loop the track where you want to audition takes and cycle through them as it loops. It literally can't get any easier to comp takes. And somehow you're completely sure it's trash? If you don't want to use it, that's fine, but you're literally making up untrue reasons to slag it in a public forum. People already think because it's cheap and doesn't have a big brand behind it that is not worth using, much like you're also saying. It doesn't need you making stuff up as well.
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Post by jmoose on Apr 5, 2022 17:26:47 GMT -6
If you don't want to use it, that's fine, but you're literally making up untrue reasons to slag it in a public forum. People already think because it's cheap and doesn't have a big brand behind it that is not worth using, much like you're also saying. It doesn't need you making stuff up as well. My personal experiences are making up reasons? And slagging? Woah. You seem to have this habit of following & twisting whatever I say so I'll ask just once, very kindly and publicly to fuck off and leave me alone. Your on my ignore list now. First one. Kindly ask you do the same. Now I remember why I stopped coming to forums. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2022 17:35:08 GMT -6
If you don't want to use it, that's fine, but you're literally making up untrue reasons to slag it in a public forum. People already think because it's cheap and doesn't have a big brand behind it that is not worth using, much like you're also saying. It doesn't need you making stuff up as well. My personal experiences are making up reasons? And slagging? Woah. You seem to have this habit of following & twisting whatever I say so I'll ask just once, very kindly and publicly to fuck off and leave me alone. Your on my ignore list now. First one. Kindly ask you do the same. Now I remember why I stopped coming to forums. Thanks for the reminder. Do I get a plaque or something?
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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 5, 2022 17:54:07 GMT -6
I'm a Reaper user as well. I'm baffled by some of the complaints about it. ESPECIALLY the takes/comping system. I hear ya. I think it's mostly a visual thing. At least for me, personally. Something about the takes system feels cluttered and chaotic and confusing to look at. But that's just me — totally cool if others dig it. For vocals specifically, I have a workaround that makes more sense to me when self-recording, which is to basically create a ton of tracks, set them all to "automatically record arm when track selected," group them in a folder and mute it, and use an iOS app (TouchOSC) to remotely toggle between tracks and record. With "tape mode" enabled (i.e. destructive recording), I can literally just punch in as I go and I don't even have to look at my computer screen. When I have a take that I like, I just move to the next track and record again, and then when it's time to edit, I just solo between tracks and comp the best phrases to a new track. But hey, that's just my preference. The beauty of Reaper is you can make it do whatever you want.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2022 18:15:55 GMT -6
I'm a Reaper user as well. I'm baffled by some of the complaints about it. ESPECIALLY the takes/comping system. I hear ya. I think it's mostly a visual thing. At least for me, personally. Something about the takes system feels cluttered and chaotic and confusing to look at. But that's just me — totally cool if others dig it. For vocals specifically, I have a workaround that makes more sense to me when self-recording, which is to basically create a ton of tracks, set them all to "automatically record arm when track selected," group them in a folder and mute it, and use an iOS app (TouchOSC) to remotely toggle between tracks and record. With "tape mode" enabled (i.e. destructive recording), I can literally just punch in as I go and I don't even have to look at my computer screen. When I have a take that I like, I just move to the next track and record again, and then when it's time to edit, I just solo between tracks and comp the best phrases to a new track. But hey, that's just my preference. The beauty of Reaper is you can make it do whatever you want. Back in the early days of reaper I did it this way too. Early versions didn't have as good of a take system as they have now. Back then there wasn't a whole lot of online help either and I just did it as habit for years without paying attention to the updates. But you're right, the beauty is that you can do every thing 5 different ways if you want, but it's also it's curse because it can be hard to figure out since there's a tutorial for every way and they all say they're the best way!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Apr 5, 2022 19:36:13 GMT -6
It's cheap and extremely stable the times I've tried it. I'd say go for it if you're in for the learning process and have the time.
I have never understood how others get along with the UX though. Simply awful from my experience. Skinning didn't help either. Missing buttons and all that stuff.
I admire the mission though. Talented people behind it. If you need a change, why not give it a shot?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 21:41:58 GMT -6
It's cheap and extremely stable the times I've tried it. I'd say go for it if you're in for the learning process and have the time. I have never understood how others get along with the UX though. Simply awful from my experience. Skinning didn't help either. Missing buttons and all that stuff. I admire the mission though. Talented people behind it. If you need a change, why not give it a shot? Edit: typo Skinning Reaper just makes the gui even worse imo. It's at least in Windows XP gui now like the old PSP plugins. Before it was Windows 98 and then Windows 2000. At least it's not SAWstudio
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Post by phdamage on Apr 5, 2022 22:35:41 GMT -6
OP would be better off getting specific about the "killer feature" that seems vague to me...web remote? I mean you can do that a LOT of ways in Cubase...so there must be some specific type of control or something? If you're asking my advice, and I get that you're not ...I'd advise you to look into how you could do something "like that" with Cubase. The money thing seems more emotional than logical bottom line. You don't NEED every version of Cubase. Unless you're on a Mac. Then, sure...it's $70/year or whatever MacTax if you need to keep updating OSX, you have to keep updating Cubase, but it's still not LOTS of money. I listed the features specifically: - web based remote. Only remote I ever saw for Cubase was a transport iOS app and since I dont have a Mac (hate them thanks to their proprietary bullshit and the fact that they cost so much more to get a comparable performing machine), I think I’m out in the cold. If they have a web based remote, I’m all ears, please share! - wet/dry blend on every plug-in. Literally how the hell is this not standard?! - vari-speed with a simple ass scroll wheel, like a real damn tape machine!
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Post by schmalzy on Apr 5, 2022 23:09:53 GMT -6
OP would be better off getting specific about the "killer feature" that seems vague to me...web remote? I mean you can do that a LOT of ways in Cubase...so there must be some specific type of control or something? If you're asking my advice, and I get that you're not ...I'd advise you to look into how you could do something "like that" with Cubase. The money thing seems more emotional than logical bottom line. You don't NEED every version of Cubase. Unless you're on a Mac. Then, sure...it's $70/year or whatever MacTax if you need to keep updating OSX, you have to keep updating Cubase, but it's still not LOTS of money. I listed the features specifically: - web based remote. Only remote I ever saw for Cubase was a transport iOS app and since I dont have a Mac (hate them thanks to their proprietary bullshit and the fact that they cost so much more to get a comparable performing machine), I think I’m out in the cold. If they have a web based remote, I’m all ears, please share! - wet/dry blend on every plug-in. Literally how the hell is this not standard?! Not only is the web-based remote a thing...but I believe it's customizable. That's damn cool for people who want to record themselves and need to be away from the computer to record certain things. Wet/Dry on every plugin is bonkers. I'm BLOWN AWAY that everyone else doesn't have it. I'm constantly automating "special moment" effects on and off with the wet/dry. It seems to perform better than the mute/unmute automation...plus I can audition variations of it. Great example from earlier today: I was mixing a song (in Reaper like I do 60 or more hours per week) and needed to reduce the low end of a bass guitar part during a busy tom moment. I added ReaEQ and low shelved 4 db out...but then it was too sharp so I also EQd a little notch in the "klank" area of the bass. Automated the wet/dry on the plugin and it was perfect! Later, a similar fill (but on a higher tom) came up. Automated the EQ back in...it reduced the low end a little too much. So I automated to 50% wet rather than 100% wet and it was perfect. I do similar sorts of things with double-kick sections where the low end builds up a little too much. Console 1 is a huge part of my workflow and it's deeply integrated with Reaper. Cubase and Studio One have that same (-ish) level of integration but Studio One is terrible enough that I didn't even list it above when I mentioned other DAWS I've worked with. I could see switching to Cubase if I wanted something that looked nicer but was more limited. The post fader FX in Cubase is cool...but I do that with Reaper's folder tracks anyway. I think I'd honestly switch to whatever worked best with Console 1 as long as it wasn't a huge step backwards in capability and customizability. I could maybe see an "edit in one, mix in the other" sort of thing but after trying other stuff (on a few different occasions) Reaper just works best with my brain for both situations.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 6, 2022 2:36:18 GMT -6
Just a thought, if you are sort of experimenting why not try the studio one 30 day demo and compare?
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 6, 2022 4:21:42 GMT -6
Well, it will cost nothing but time to try it out.
Too much customization for me. Much like linux where i spend more time tinkering than being productive.
More and more full time audio engineers are working on Reaper.
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Post by zonkola on Apr 6, 2022 8:42:33 GMT -6
schmalzy, what didn't you like about Studio One?
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 6, 2022 8:49:57 GMT -6
I switched to Reaper because I use my DAW like a tape machine (get the sounds on the way in/make a lot of take decisions in real time), and when I shot it out against Pro Tools, I could play back far larger projects on Reaper. Although I don't use a lot of plugins, Reaper could also load more plugins (UAD or native) than Pro Tools. Of course, on different systems, you might have different experiences.
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Post by popmann on Apr 6, 2022 11:48:41 GMT -6
OP would be better off getting specific about the "killer feature" that seems vague to me...web remote? I mean you can do that a LOT of ways in Cubase...so there must be some specific type of control or something? If you're asking my advice, and I get that you're not ...I'd advise you to look into how you could do something "like that" with Cubase. The money thing seems more emotional than logical bottom line. You don't NEED every version of Cubase. Unless you're on a Mac. Then, sure...it's $70/year or whatever MacTax if you need to keep updating OSX, you have to keep updating Cubase, but it's still not LOTS of money. I listed the features specifically: - web based remote. Only remote I ever saw for Cubase was a transport iOS app and since I dont have a Mac (hate them thanks to their proprietary bullshit and the fact that they cost so much more to get a comparable performing machine), I think I’m out in the cold. If they have a web based remote, I’m all ears, please share! - wet/dry blend on every plug-in. Literally how the hell is this not standard?! - vari-speed with a simple ass scroll wheel, like a real damn tape machine! I stand corrected. Cubase was NOT the right app for you.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 6, 2022 13:48:25 GMT -6
Been using it basically since I started recording. It's like home. There are things I do like more in PT or S1, but really, if I need to quickly open a DAW in a second and get recording, Reaper is the best by far. Works great with Melodyne ARA, Console 1... IDK. Affordable, too.
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