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Post by drumsound on Feb 20, 2022 12:46:38 GMT -6
As I'm preparing for a workstation update, I'm also thinking about changing the ergonomics of the space a bit. Right now my computer sits to my right, and the monitor is outside the right speaker, above the console patchbay. I've moved the keyboard and trackball to the arm rest in an attempt to have less neck and shoulder pain. It's helping but not enough. I'm thinking about monitoring that is between the speakers, so I'm doing less twisting of my neck and spine to deal with the screen. I'm considering a big TV on the wall, which puts it further from me, but I've never been in a room like that and I wonder what the experience is like.
I think, even if I choose normal sized monitor(s) they are going center with the upgrade.
I'd love to hear any and all thoughts.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 20, 2022 12:59:00 GMT -6
As I'm preparing for a workstation update, I'm also thinking about changing the ergonomics of the space a bit. Right now my computer sits to my right, and the monitor is outside the right speaker, above the console patchbay. I've moved the keyboard and trackball to the arm rest in an attempt to have less neck and shoulder pain. It's helping but not enough. I'm thinking about monitoring that is between the speakers, so I'm doing less twisting of my neck and spine to deal with the screen. I'm considering a big TV on the wall, which puts it further from me, but I've never been in a room like that and I wonder what the experience is like. I think, even if I choose normal sized monitor(s) they are going center with the upgrade. I'd love to hear any and all thoughts. We have the big screen on the wall (or near enough) at my project studio, it’s been a good solution for us. It’s actually far enough from the sweet spot that I wear my glasses to read the scribble strips etc. I’ve also worked places where the screen is on an adjustable mount that you can pull toward you over the console. That’s been ok too. What I don’t like as much is when keyboard and screen etc. are on a little rolling cart, perpendicular to the console. That’s less ergonomic for me, personally, plus you can’t face the speakers while listening to edits etc. |
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Post by drumsound on Feb 20, 2022 13:31:52 GMT -6
As I'm preparing for a workstation update, I'm also thinking about changing the ergonomics of the space a bit. Right now my computer sits to my right, and the monitor is outside the right speaker, above the console patchbay. I've moved the keyboard and trackball to the arm rest in an attempt to have less neck and shoulder pain. It's helping but not enough. I'm thinking about monitoring that is between the speakers, so I'm doing less twisting of my neck and spine to deal with the screen. I'm considering a big TV on the wall, which puts it further from me, but I've never been in a room like that and I wonder what the experience is like. I think, even if I choose normal sized monitor(s) they are going center with the upgrade. I'd love to hear any and all thoughts. We have the big screen on the wall (or near enough) at my project studio, it’s been a good solution for us. It’s actually far enough from the sweet spot that I wear my glasses to read the scribble strips etc. I’ve also worked places where the screen is on an adjustable mount that you can pull toward you over the console. That’s been ok too. What I don’t like as much is when keyboard and screen etc. are on a little rolling cart, perpendicular to the console. That’s less ergonomic for me, personally, plus you can’t face the speakers while listening to edits etc. Thanks for this. Are you glasses for distance? I use readers for close things, but my distance vision is still pretty good. |
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Post by enlav on Feb 20, 2022 13:39:10 GMT -6
We have the big screen on the wall (or near enough) at my project studio, it’s been a good solution for us. It’s actually far enough from the sweet spot that I wear my glasses to read the scribble strips etc. Are you using a TV for that, or are there large enough computer monitors? I ask because the latency on TV's always makes editing a nightmare for me. Feels like I'm dragging a mouse as opposed to simply moving it. |
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Post by sirthought on Feb 20, 2022 13:47:55 GMT -6
The wall thing in the middle is alright. I think it's nice to have the display on a movable arm. There are all kinds of situations when you want to pull the display closer, or tilt it towards someone playing something there. Then just move it back out of the way for your normal operation. Definitely a luxury that comes in handy when needed.
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Post by drbill on Feb 20, 2022 13:58:55 GMT -6
The worst visual monitoring experience of my life was at a clients studio that used a TV vs. dedicated monitors. Completely unworkable for me. The secret is in the monitor card of the computer and the TV itself. if it's bad, it's BAD. If it's good, it can be a legitimate option. Personally, I prefer dedicated monitors.
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Post by Ward on Feb 20, 2022 14:15:44 GMT -6
I'm using twin big ass 54" LED TVs on the wall in front of me. Sometimes hard on the neck but most times it is divinely convenient!
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Post by notneeson on Feb 20, 2022 14:47:07 GMT -6
We have the big screen on the wall (or near enough) at my project studio, it’s been a good solution for us. It’s actually far enough from the sweet spot that I wear my glasses to read the scribble strips etc. Are you using a TV for that, or are there large enough computer monitors? I ask because the latency on TV's always makes editing a nightmare for me. Feels like I'm dragging a mouse as opposed to simply moving it. It's a TV running HDMI off of an older Mac Pro. No latency that I've noticed. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 20, 2022 15:04:09 GMT -6
Are you using a TV for that, or are there large enough computer monitors? I ask because the latency on TV's always makes editing a nightmare for me. Feels like I'm dragging a mouse as opposed to simply moving it. It's a TV running HDMI off of an older Mac Pro. No latency that I've noticed. I use a 32” Samsung tv, sitting between my speakers (not on the wall though), works and looks great. No latency and the graphics are fine. I’ve been in studios once or twice that use monitors on the wall and something feels weird about that setup to me. It’s a personal thing but being far away from the monitor creates a type of disconnect that is hard on my brain. But a TV on a dedicated stand, that is adjustable and articulates, might solve that problem. Ymmv. It’s kind of like asking “mouse vs trackball”. You’ll find proponents of both I think. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 20, 2022 17:08:58 GMT -6
Most of the guys I know who function on a big monitor still have a secondary small monitor to the side for editing and such.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2022 18:03:34 GMT -6
I bought a ViewSonic VX4380-4K 43 Inch Widescreen in 2020 that may be no longer available (at least on Amazon). Nice monitor, if a little too reflective for my taste. It sits to my left on a small desk I built with a keyboard tray. Due to my old-man vision, I like to sit quite close (18 in) and still I need readers to be able to focus on anything. I tend to edit on phones these days so it works well. All I have to do is swivel right to face my PMCs and four old Euphonix Artist fader packs that I rely on to control levels in Pro Tools. Best setup I've ever had.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 20, 2022 21:42:09 GMT -6
I don't like it for editing ever personally. I still use the monitor to the side for all of that.
But easy to tweak the resolution and text size of a specific monitor to not make things too small. So it can work well. I still prefer things being closer usually though which has it's own set of issues especially since you have a console if I remember right.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 20, 2022 22:09:19 GMT -6
I prefer to work close on a monitor. Right now, because of my Sterling Modular, I’m about 4 ft away from my iMac 27”, and I don’t like it. But my vision is shit. I couldn’t deal with a tv on the wall.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 20, 2022 23:21:51 GMT -6
I don't like it for editing ever personally. I still use the monitor to the side for all of that. But easy to tweak the resolution and text size of a specific monitor to not make things too small. So it can work well. I still prefer things being closer usually though which has it's own set of issues especially since you have a console if I remember right. This is kind of what I thought might happen, and kind of what I don't want to deal with. I do have a console, so I think I'm leaning toward some sort of adjustable arm between the speakers that I can pull over the center section and shift back when I don't need to be on top of it. |
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Post by javamad on Feb 20, 2022 23:37:08 GMT -6
I have a 47” tv on the wall in front but high up so its visible above my desk level iMac 4k screen.
The TV runs HDMI at a lower resolution so I tend to have it show mixer view and do editing on the iMac.
Its handy for clients to put up lyrics and stuff if they are behind me singing or chord progressions est.
Having 2 different screen resolutions can be a strain on the eyes at times.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 20, 2022 23:45:02 GMT -6
I don't like it for editing ever personally. I still use the monitor to the side for all of that. But easy to tweak the resolution and text size of a specific monitor to not make things too small. So it can work well. I still prefer things being closer usually though which has it's own set of issues especially since you have a console if I remember right. This is kind of what I thought might happen, and kind of what I don't want to deal with. I do have a console, so I think I'm leaning toward some sort of adjustable arm between the speakers that I can pull over the center section and shift back when I don't need to be on top of it. If you can find a nice arm track thing that'll allow that that's what I'd do. I swear I've seen a cool setup like that before in some setup somewhere. Allowed the screen to swing anywhere along the large console. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 21, 2022 0:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 21, 2022 7:34:23 GMT -6
I never liked the big screen on the wall thing for a few reasons. One, It’s hard for me to see and I wind up straining my eyes all day and it gives me a headache (I’ve worn glasses for 30 years). Two, sometimes I just don’t want clients to see what I’m doing. I can’t say how many times I’ve made inaudible edits and a client will sit behind me and swear they can hear it when the real reason is they are looking at the screen and can visually see the edit. Or, I’m not finished with an edit and they start pointing and giving direction on how to do my job. No thanks!
I prefer a regular sized monitor on a cart. That way I can even turn around so I’m facing the client but they can’t see the screen.
Granted, if there is no console in the way and you’re doing everything in the box, having a cart is a hard argument to make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 7:57:44 GMT -6
16:10 monitor all day.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 21, 2022 8:45:18 GMT -6
Forgive my ignorance, but is that a "monitor not TV" reference, or something else. I don't know what 16:10 means. |
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Post by svart on Feb 21, 2022 8:53:59 GMT -6
In the other recent monitor/tv thread I mentioned that I have used a 32" tv as a monitor, but even the digital input looked a little soft. Luckily the Samsung tv had a feature that naming the input "PC" seemed to change the resolution for the better.
But that's the biggest concern for TV as a monitor, the way it displays is slightly different. TV is optimized for pleasant viewing so the aliasing and moire in the picture is minimized through processing and the sharpness is vastly reduced.
On a monitor, pure sharpness is preferred, so there is no native processing for these things.
Another concern is that pixel size for a given resolution changes with the size of the panel.
A 55" 1080p tv that's 8ft away might look exactly the same as a 24" 1080 monitor at 1ft away, so there would be zero benefit here.
A 4k tv that's 5ft away might look less clear and sharp than a 2k monitor that's 1ft away.
I've tried a few setups over the years and the best balance of sharpness and viewability I've come across is a 32" 2k monitor about 2ft away.
At that size and distance I have plenty of workspace, the pixels are small enough to not see them, but they are large enough that I don't have to strain to read anything either.
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Post by mcirish on Feb 21, 2022 9:37:19 GMT -6
I have a Samsung 32" 4K monitor. I made a small extension to my desk to allow me to push the monitor slightly further away so that the speakers don't reflect off the monitor and smear the stereo field. It's worked very well now that most of my software is supporting hiDPI.
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Post by christopher on Feb 21, 2022 9:47:47 GMT -6
I tried having my screen close to the right of the board. It was no fun, I had to move it to straight ahead. Much better! Great for standing at the desk and mixing. Sitting however, my neck and back have been aching a lot when working ITB. I’ve realized my chair doesn’t get high enough to sit natural, my head is tilted up for hours. I went to the mirror and holy shit my forehead had some new instant deep valleys of wrinkles haha. Apparently I’ve been raising my eyebrows while looking upward too. So I’m brainstorming next steps. I think the swivel is a great idea. A new chair that’s higher.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2022 10:14:35 GMT -6
The other thing you always have to think of is “ how is that big giant reflective surface going to effect my monitors in my room?”
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Post by Quint on Feb 21, 2022 10:40:27 GMT -6
The other thing you always have to think of is “ how is that big giant reflective surface going to effect my monitors in my room?” How is that effectively any different than a big giant reflective piece of glass, that looks into a live room? |
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