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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2022 14:52:31 GMT -6
The other thing you always have to think of is “ how is that big giant reflective surface going to effect my monitors in my room?” How is that effectively any different than a big giant reflective piece of glass, that looks into a live room? It’s not really, but with a window you have some control over the glass and angle. Let’s not forget less and less rooms have a window these days.
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Post by Chad on Feb 21, 2022 15:19:13 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 21, 2022 15:29:34 GMT -6
To use my ATC 25's in a perfect triangle for me room the max screen I can use before it effects the sonic footprint to a noticeable degree is 24".
I use glasses as I'm old age long sighted so a large screen set back won't work with my glasses.
It's cool though, as I basically hate screens and my favourite shortcut on my PC is my blank screen saver which activate anytime I'm listening back to takes, mixes, masters - I have a blank screen whenever I'm critically monitoring audio - I find it makes a difference not to have a GUI on show when I'm using my ears.
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Post by enlav on Feb 21, 2022 15:30:24 GMT -6
Wait, do you also cover your desk/gear here in picture with those packing blankets (or acoustic blankets) with not-in-use? I feel like I'm not alone...
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Post by Chad on Feb 21, 2022 15:32:19 GMT -6
Wait, do you also cover your desk/gear here in picture with those packing blankets (or acoustic blankets) with not-in-use? I feel like I'm not alone... Ha - Good catch. Yes, I do! It started for me months ago when I was drilling holes above the desk to mount my "cloud" of sound panels, but then I decided... Hey, I'm just going to cover everything when it's not in use. Bam... A new habit that's helping take care of dust.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 21, 2022 16:59:26 GMT -6
I just mounted this 34" Ultrawide LG monitor about 10 days ago: I have that same monitor but got it from best buy but without the rotating arm. I like it.
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Post by Chad on Feb 21, 2022 17:24:22 GMT -6
I just mounted this 34" Ultrawide LG monitor about 10 days ago: I have that same monitor but got it from best buy but without the rotating arm. I like it. Thanks for that input. I have turned it on and looked around, and it looks good. It’s not 5k, but it’s good still. I will still have my 27 inch iMac for detailed graphic design projects I work on.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 21, 2022 17:28:20 GMT -6
In the other recent monitor/tv thread I mentioned that I have used a 32" tv as a monitor, but even the digital input looked a little soft. Luckily the Samsung tv had a feature that naming the input "PC" seemed to change the resolution for the better. But that's the biggest concern for TV as a monitor, the way it displays is slightly different. TV is optimized for pleasant viewing so the aliasing and moire in the picture is minimized through processing and the sharpness is vastly reduced. On a monitor, pure sharpness is preferred, so there is no native processing for these things. Another concern is that pixel size for a given resolution changes with the size of the panel. A 55" 1080p tv that's 8ft away might look exactly the same as a 24" 1080 monitor at 1ft away, so there would be zero benefit here. A 4k tv that's 5ft away might look less clear and sharp than a 2k monitor that's 1ft away. I've tried a few setups over the years and the best balance of sharpness and viewability I've come across is a 32" 2k monitor about 2ft away. At that size and distance I have plenty of workspace, the pixels are small enough to not see them, but they are large enough that I don't have to strain to read anything either. Great information, thanks, Svart. What's the speaker situation. How flexible is the arm?
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Post by Chad on Feb 21, 2022 17:52:53 GMT -6
In the other recent monitor/tv thread I mentioned that I have used a 32" tv as a monitor, but even the digital input looked a little soft. Luckily the Samsung tv had a feature that naming the input "PC" seemed to change the resolution for the better. But that's the biggest concern for TV as a monitor, the way it displays is slightly different. TV is optimized for pleasant viewing so the aliasing and moire in the picture is minimized through processing and the sharpness is vastly reduced. On a monitor, pure sharpness is preferred, so there is no native processing for these things. Another concern is that pixel size for a given resolution changes with the size of the panel. A 55" 1080p tv that's 8ft away might look exactly the same as a 24" 1080 monitor at 1ft away, so there would be zero benefit here. A 4k tv that's 5ft away might look less clear and sharp than a 2k monitor that's 1ft away. I've tried a few setups over the years and the best balance of sharpness and viewability I've come across is a 32" 2k monitor about 2ft away. At that size and distance I have plenty of workspace, the pixels are small enough to not see them, but they are large enough that I don't have to strain to read anything either. Great information, thanks, Svart. What's the speaker situation. How flexible is the arm? Speakers are 8 feet away from my mixing position and 8 feet apart. The arm is super flexible. I can just about position it anyway I like with one hand, but it’s best (so far) to just lightly move it with two. The arm and monitor come together, so it has near perfect counterbalance. I think I’m gonna love it.
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Post by jcgriggs on Feb 22, 2022 11:05:32 GMT -6
Forgive my ignorance, but is that a "monitor not TV" reference, or something else. I don't know what 16:10 means. Hopefully OK to step in - did not see another reply about this. 16:10 would be the aspect ratio - TV is 16:9 (or 4:3 for older, squarer displays) 16:10 is essentially 16:9 plus extra height for a toolbar, etc.
- John
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Post by drumsound on Feb 22, 2022 12:13:38 GMT -6
Forgive my ignorance, but is that a "monitor not TV" reference, or something else. I don't know what 16:10 means. Hopefully OK to step in - did not see another reply about this. 16:10 would be the aspect ratio - TV is 16:9 (or 4:3 for older, squarer displays) 16:10 is essentially 16:9 plus extra height for a toolbar, etc.
- John
Thanks, John.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 24, 2022 22:01:00 GMT -6
Is that an Orbit I see? How do you like it? I’m loving mine.
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Post by paulnajar on Feb 25, 2022 2:22:16 GMT -6
So I’m going to fly against most of the views expressed here. A few years ago I had an idea to change from a Dell 30” main monitor + 2 x 1920 x 1280 LCD monitors and go with a 65” 4K TV screen and put the existing Dell off to the the side. The perceived benefit would be that the main square on 4K screen would be back about in line with the fronts of my near fields and thus avoid a common reflection problem many studios have with having the screens up closer - mainly out of necessity so you could read them. By going with a bigger screen you could still read it when further away. So the change went very well. There were no latency issues and this was comparing the high end Dell monitor to the 4KTV. The initial acoustic benefit was that the phantom centre was more solid while image width did not suffer. So since then I’ve replaced the side screen with another 4K 65” TV and this has gone well also. I’m still fine tuning it’s position to avoid the wrong kind of reflections but here’s a photo of where I’m at so far with that. These big 4K screens are often less in cost than a monitor around half the pixel size. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Ward on Feb 25, 2022 7:04:51 GMT -6
Latency? As mentioned, twin 54" TVs about 10 feet from me, 35 foot HDMI cables with thunderbolt adapters. Flawless in every way. Could it be the video card in my Mac Pro Westmere making the difference?
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Post by Chad on Feb 25, 2022 9:26:58 GMT -6
Is that an Orbit I see? How do you like it? I’m loving mine. I’ll let you know when I’m finally putting it to use! That pair of Rupert Neve Designs 5059 Satellites represent 4 stereo buses which dump into the Orbit for the Master Bus. Labeling my patch bays and cabling everything up are my last two tasks before final testing of all ins/outs.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 25, 2022 11:15:24 GMT -6
Is that an Orbit I see? How do you like it? I’m loving mine. I’ll let you know when I’m finally putting it to use! That pair of Rupert Neve Designs 5059 Satellites represent 4 stereo buses which dump into the Orbit for the Master Bus. Labeling my patch bays and cabling everything up are my last two tasks before final testing of all ins/outs. Last thread derailing comment. I think you'll like it. Not sure about your exact use case since I don't have the 5059's, but running the Orbit at -6db output is really cool. You can go anywhere from transparent summing to "more crispy than you'd ever want" with the push of some faders. And, most importantly, a very large sweet spot in between those two extremes. A really easy piece of equipment to use.
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Post by Chad on Feb 25, 2022 11:54:32 GMT -6
I’ll let you know when I’m finally putting it to use! That pair of Rupert Neve Designs 5059 Satellites represent 4 stereo buses which dump into the Orbit for the Master Bus. Labeling my patch bays and cabling everything up are my last two tasks before final testing of all ins/outs. Last thread derailing comment. I think you'll like it. Not sure about your exact use case since I don't have the 5059's, but running the Orbit at -6db output is really cool. You can go anywhere from transparent summing to "more crispy than you'd ever want" with the push of some faders. And, most importantly, a very large sweet spot in between those two extremes. A really easy piece of equipment to use. Wonderful. That description is similar to what I am reaching for. :-) I will let you know in a DM if I have any use case questions once I’m rolling with it!
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 25, 2022 14:49:02 GMT -6
Is that an Orbit I see? How do you like it? I’m loving mine. I’ll let you know when I’m finally putting it to use! That pair of Rupert Neve Designs 5059 Satellites represent 4 stereo buses which dump into the Orbit for the Master Bus. Labeling my patch bays and cabling everything up are my last two tasks before final testing of all ins/outs. So you're Summing your Summing to get more sumthing out of your summing? Sorry couldn't resist haha
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Post by Chad on Feb 25, 2022 15:12:34 GMT -6
I’ll let you know when I’m finally putting it to use! That pair of Rupert Neve Designs 5059 Satellites represent 4 stereo buses which dump into the Orbit for the Master Bus. Labeling my patch bays and cabling everything up are my last two tasks before final testing of all ins/outs. So you're Summing your Summing to get more sumthing out of your summing? Sorry couldn't resist haha Blackdawg , Yeah, "sum-thing" like that. ;-)
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Post by phdamage on Feb 25, 2022 22:41:26 GMT -6
A friend was getting rid of a 50” plasma TV, so I grabbed it and stuck it between my monitors. Only issue for me was it’s pretty heavy, so couldn’t push it back on my shallow back shelf as I wanted. Made keeping the monitors spread reasonable a bit tight on the shelf. Comically I think it has managed to impress people here and there.
But ditching the side table and tiny monitors helped so much. The tv is large enough that the lower resolution than a monitor is not a big deal. I honestly think the giant tv is about the most ergonomic choice I could have made! No more craning my neck. Also, it’s far enough that I don’t need my readers. I think it makes for a better experience for the clients, as well. Pro-tip: buy some cheap laser pointers if you go this route!
I actually just got LYD 48s, so added a tiny extension so I could back the tv off a bit.
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