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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 11:07:51 GMT -6
Used one years ago and remember really liking it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 11:28:40 GMT -6
Got a bead on one so just bumping again
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2022 11:33:21 GMT -6
Yeah, it’s been like 15 years, but I recall getting great drum and acoustic guitar sounds with that as my only LDC. (Rented for a home recording thing).
They’re bright, but I found it worked for me.
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Post by recordingengineer on Feb 19, 2022 11:40:23 GMT -6
The studio I work out of has a pair. I’ve only used one once there, trying a bunch of mics on a female vocal. Surprisingly, out of them all, it was the only one I felt was truly unusable on her. Eventually, I’ll have to pull one out again, as it just doesn’t seem right, considering the great reputation they have. Maybe they’re preamp picky (they were all into a Duality)? Maybe it just wasn’t for her?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 11:57:17 GMT -6
I used one years ago and thought it was really nice…kind of have 87 fever. Maybe I should just get an 87, but I could get this for like $1200 with all the accoutrements.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 19, 2022 12:32:06 GMT -6
If you're not a sibilant singer (like me). FWIW I like the Blueberry too. 251-ish though. Chris
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 12:37:28 GMT -6
If you're not a sibilant singer (like me). FWIW I like the Blueberry too. 251-ish though. Chris I’ve come to find I’m sibilant on every mic. Even the Heiserman is sibilant. Great mic, I just usually have to dig out a ton of lows and low mids.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2022 12:37:31 GMT -6
The studio I work out of has a pair. I’ve only used one once there, trying a bunch of mics on a female vocal. Surprisingly, out of them all, it was the only one I felt was truly unusable on her. Eventually, I’ll have to pull one out again, as it just doesn’t seem right, considering the great reputation they have. Maybe they’re preamp picky (they were all into a Duality)? Maybe it just wasn’t for her? It has enough of a high-mid and top end "attitude" that it could be really wrong on some sources, I imagine. I'm not sure I cut any vocals when I had it, if I did they were incidental.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 12:38:42 GMT -6
The studio I work out of has a pair. I’ve only used one once there, trying a bunch of mics on a female vocal. Surprisingly, out of them all, it was the only one I felt was truly unusable on her. Eventually, I’ll have to pull one out again, as it just doesn’t seem right, considering the great reputation they have. Maybe they’re preamp picky (they were all into a Duality)? Maybe it just wasn’t for her? It has enough of a high-mid and top end "attitude" that it could be really wrong on some sources, I imagine. I'm not sure I cut any vocals when I had it, if I did they were incidental. So you don’t think it is similar to an 87ai at all?
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Post by chessparov on Feb 19, 2022 12:42:44 GMT -6
I suspect the Soyuz 017 FET, would be a winner on your voice John. Also Vincent knows a lot, regarding the U87ai/Kiwi simularities/differences. Chris
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 19, 2022 12:44:39 GMT -6
I bought one 16 years ago (at the same time as buying a BLUE Bottle system)
Both were made in Latvia by what is now Violet mics.
The craftsmanship was just beautiful.
I didn't care for the BLUE Bottle system and sold it but I loved the KIWI it was a superb mic - utterly gorgeous not in the least bright just liquid and perfect. Great on virtually everything - way, way superior to a U87ai.
I then demoed a Wunder CM7 and that was THE mic for my lead vocals.
I then made a stupid mistake .... I sold my Latvian KIWI mic (darn it)
The modern KIWI's are not in the same league, really feels/sounds almost like a different mic - different build quality. I know this because I couple of years ago I bought a modern version.
It's still a very good mic and imho better than a U87ai but it doesn't rival that Latvian KIWI (the modern KIWI and the Latvian have a different stand mount mechanism)
My modern KIWI has the "green" KIWI logo which I'm told is the better of the modern versions.
Anyway - it's a very useful mic to have around - and they do look great.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2022 12:50:04 GMT -6
It has enough of a high-mid and top end "attitude" that it could be really wrong on some sources, I imagine. I'm not sure I cut any vocals when I had it, if I did they were incidental. So you don’t think it is similar to an 87ai at all? Well, many grains of salt as the Kiwi was 15 years ago. Edit: the mic I rented came from Skipper Wise's rental co. He owned Blue at that time and it was def the Latvian capsule. What I recall, is that it had a really pleasing, but pronounced presence/top end. I loved it. Sounded "expensive" and "like a record" but maybe different from an 87? I'd happily be proven wrong. FWIW, I love my Serano and I'd gladly add an OG Kiwi to my locker if I had the bread/need.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -6
I suspect the Soyuz 017 FET, would be a winner on your voice John. Also Vincent knows a lot, regarding the U87ai/Kiwi simularities/differences. Chris That’s actually a really great idea. I lie my 0011
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2022 13:42:34 GMT -6
I suspect the Soyuz 017 FET, would be a winner on your voice John. Also Vincent knows a lot, regarding the U87ai/Kiwi simularities/differences. Chris That’s actually a really great idea. I lie my 0011 If you go Blue make sure it was one of the original made in Latvia, the newer ones are just blah. If I was going to go for the 87 flavor, I would seriously consider the the Serrano, for the $ you could always buy an HK capsule and since your in Nashville Dave Wheeler could tweak it till your happy. Or the Soyuz but, my hunch is your still going to want it tweaked once the new factor wears off. John you have the advantage/ disadvantage of knowing what you want, how it sits on the advantage/ disadvantage scale depends on the day.
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Post by Ward on Feb 19, 2022 13:48:19 GMT -6
Yes, I have one and use it all the time as 'crotch mic' on drums and on anyone who doesn't pronounce their consonants clearly enough.
It has the Blue B6 capsule, which is their K67 style capsule.
It is a beautiful microphone, especially on lead femvox.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 19, 2022 17:49:01 GMT -6
The Kiwi is a touch more modern sounding that a U87ai. It’s got a cleaner sound. Slightly more open, but not harsh. Similar low end to a U87ai. Don’t think of it as a U87. It has its own sound, one that I personally think is really nice. Like the U87ai though, I prefer it through nice tube preamp like a Demeter VTMP. I actually did a rock duet for a film a couple of years ago and the female singer was on a Kiwi and I was on my U87ai. That worked really well. Both of us went through a UA610.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 17:57:12 GMT -6
Yes, I have one and use it all the time as 'crotch mic' on drums and on anyone who doesn't pronounce their consonants clearly enough. It has the Blue B6 capsule, which is their K67 style capsule. It is a beautiful microphone, especially on lead femvox. Crotch mic duty is not the best endorsement I’ve ever heard
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Post by reddirt on Feb 19, 2022 18:06:56 GMT -6
Serrano not gonna do it for you? - that Kiwi is a lot of dosh. I'd be surprised given the exposure on this board if (Chris?) Serrano wouldn't send you one to try. Cheers, Ross
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2022 18:13:22 GMT -6
Yes, I have one and use it all the time as 'crotch mic' on drums and on anyone who doesn't pronounce their consonants clearly enough. It has the Blue B6 capsule, which is their K67 style capsule. It is a beautiful microphone, especially on lead femvox. Crotch mic duty is not the best endorsement I’ve ever heard Depends on who’s crotch your mic’ing
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2022 18:30:14 GMT -6
Serrano not gonna do it for you? - that Kiwi is a lot of dosh. I'd be surprised given the exposure on this board if (Chris?) Serrano wouldn't send you one to try. Cheers, Ross Honestly, I haven’t really listened/read to any of the u87 threads as I’ve just now gotten the hankering for one. But I will!
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Post by jmoose on Feb 19, 2022 18:54:41 GMT -6
So you don’t think it is similar to an 87ai at all? I don't think the Kiwi sounds anything like an 87. Not at all. Has its own carve for sure its not a "clone" of anything. Same could be said about all those Blue mics. There are probably a number of places where you'd find them sorta interchangeable... and its an excellent microphone for lots of things but I'm not sure if someone had a preference for an 87, especially on vocals that they'd be happy with the Kiwi. IMO its a great mic. Certainly worth trying you may love it. Has an almost "pre-EQ'd" sort of vibe... remember cutting some rock vocals, like a Chris Cornell belter and the Kiwi > 312 put it right to the front no EQ needed.
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2022 19:12:56 GMT -6
So you don’t think it is similar to an 87ai at all? I don't think the Kiwi sounds anything like an 87. Not at all. Has its own carve for sure its not a "clone" of anything. Same could be said about all those Blue mics. There are probably a number of places where you'd find them sorta interchangeable... and its an excellent microphone for lots of things but I'm not sure if someone had a preference for an 87, especially on vocals that they'd be happy with the Kiwi. IMO its a great mic. Certainly worth trying you may love it. Has an almost "pre-EQ'd" sort of vibe... remember cutting some rock vocals, like a Chris Cornell belter and the Kiwi > 312 put it right to the front no EQ needed. Moose, I’m going to respectfully disagree/ agree with you. I always feel Blue at their absolute best built there capsules and mics with the philosophy of designing a mic that excelled at and overstated the perceived personality of the classic. They often always pretty much missed everything that made an 87 an 87, but at the same time in a quick demo it would always impress because it was like someone had flipped a switch labeled U87 personality in spades. If that makes any sense.
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Post by sean on Feb 19, 2022 19:17:07 GMT -6
The Kiwi and the Mouse were the standouts of the FET line to me. They made a special edition Dragonfly with the B6 capsule that was pretty nice as well.
I sort of miss my old Blue Bottle. Pain in the ass to use sometimes but was a nice mic with the B6 capsule
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Post by popmann on Feb 19, 2022 19:32:47 GMT -6
I remember it as an expensive cheap sounding LDC. It DID introduce me to the concept of the grille FINISH mattering--as it had one side finished shiny and the other matte. Of course, I have no way to confirm that wasn't just that the two sides of the capsule were REALLY unmatched, but...
Sibilant. Ratty upper mids.
I had tried it because it was recommended because I always rented old 87s for my own projects...and it was "their 87'ish mic"...but, to me--it had the hallmarks of the wave of CHinese LDCs--a bright K67 style cap with seemingly no deemphasis circuit...no slanted grille to reduce proximity...only made with good enough head amp that it was "better than those" by...some amount that was NOT $2k more to me.
I question the "always cutting low mids"...and then wanting a U87. To ME--when I think about mistruths of the 87, it's that there's a big nasal HONK...rather than LOW bass, it has this huge warm low MID proximity effect that survives compression better, and then it sounds like there's a resonant shelf DOWN around 11kh--causing a big spike RIGHT there, and the HF to fall off above. I mean...I dunno--it's like a less universally good 67. Still great utility mic. The prices people sell them for now I find insane--and i LIKE old 87s. But, I'd BET a new 67 RI would best an old 87 at anything--and they're getting close in price, no?
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2022 19:38:09 GMT -6
The Kiwi and the Mouse were the standouts of the FET line to me. They made a special edition Dragonfly with the B6 capsule that was pretty nice as well. I sort of miss my old Blue Bottle. Pain in the ass to use sometimes but was a nice mic with the B6 capsule Those Dragonfly's are cool on toms, easy to place with the adjustable capsule axis.
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