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Post by chessparov on Aug 6, 2021 14:34:28 GMT -6
So... Not everyone loves Jello. Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 14:48:43 GMT -6
So... Not everyone loves Jello. Chris Depends on the flavor....
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 6, 2021 14:55:12 GMT -6
John I liked this because I know you were there with a front row seat but seriously man I have a dirty little secret, it’s all a derivative of some cave man banging on a rock with a stick. I do hate to break this to you but outside of the SF area to most of us the DKs were the original American Punk. Good god this is the music biz, it’s never been about who’s best, it’s always been about one hell of a lot of luck. I know Donr isn’t going to come here and trace the roots of somebody’s influence back to BOC. Hell if I’m completely honest since it’s one of my first real musical memory so it probably the biggest musical influence on me it would be the first Seseam ST Album, by 3 I had worn out 2 copies. So what, it’s the root of who I am so stop being Oscar. The idea here I think is 2 fold. 1 we get a chance to see where someone is coming from. Where else are you going to see someone admit that both Richard Marx (I have my own issues here but I will keep my issues to myself) and the Great Mario Lanza. In Vincent I hear it and it makes sense. I don’t care if Brittney Spears is who you consider your biggest influence if you make great music, although Richard Thompson did choose Whoops I Did it Again for his compilation of the History of Pop Music. 2 discovery/ Rediscovery. So much music is just a click away, it’s nice to have some direction sometimes. It’s also a way to discover the roots of somebody’s aesthetic. Well, I have this thing about pushers of revisionist, highly inaccurate history and I also have a thing about those who take credit they are not due. Let's just say that in SF punk circles Jello is the most hated person. Heck at Gilman street one time the punks jumped him and beat the crap out of him. He SCREWED the DKs, lawsuits and all. I understand that his record company is, er, legally contentious, and not in an artist oriented way.
I don't mind him really myself, although I can't recall him being other than unpleasant to be around. He was a great front man before the megalomania took him.
If any SF band deserves the influence crown it's probably The Avengers. Without The Avengers the whole SF punk scene would have been much different - and they went on to have influence far beyond punk. Ever heard of James (Jimmy) Wilsey?
Hell, The Mutants were more influential than the DKs.
I'm really confused as to why this is tricky to understand. Nobody is disputing your points about the SF punk scene, the point is how does that extend to telling someone "no, that's not an influence for you" or whatever it is that you're trying to say about someone's personal music choices. For some people (most people?) music preferences are made based on whether or not they like the sound of the music. If you're more interested in non-musical concepts like purity and consensus opinion in specific niche groups... that's cool too. But this thread is about which artists inspire the members of this board, not which artists have the most supposed artistic integrity in the opinions of one specific sub-genre in a city that hasn't been musically relevant in quite some time.
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2021 14:55:25 GMT -6
John I liked this because I know you were there with a front row seat but seriously man I have a dirty little secret, it’s all a derivative of some cave man banging on a rock with a stick. I do hate to break this to you but outside of the SF area to most of us the DKs were the original American Punk. Good god this is the music biz, it’s never been about who’s best, it’s always been about one hell of a lot of luck. I know Donr isn’t going to come here and trace the roots of somebody’s influence back to BOC. Hell if I’m completely honest since it’s one of my first real musical memory so it probably the biggest musical influence on me it would be the first Seseam ST Album, by 3 I had worn out 2 copies. So what, it’s the root of who I am so stop being Oscar. The idea here I think is 2 fold. 1 we get a chance to see where someone is coming from. Where else are you going to see someone admit that both Richard Marx (I have my own issues here but I will keep my issues to myself) and the Great Mario Lanza. In Vincent I hear it and it makes sense. I don’t care if Brittney Spears is who you consider your biggest influence if you make great music, although Richard Thompson did choose Whoops I Did it Again for his compilation of the History of Pop Music. 2 discovery/ Rediscovery. So much music is just a click away, it’s nice to have some direction sometimes. It’s also a way to discover the roots of somebody’s aesthetic. Well, I have this thing about pushers of revisionist, highly inaccurate history and I also have a thing about those who take credit they are not due. Let's just say that in SF punk circles Jello is the most hated person. Heck at Gilman street one time the punks jumped him and beat the crap out of him. He SCREWED the DKs, lawsuits and all. I understand that his record company is, er, legally contentious, and not in an artist oriented way.
I don't mind him really myself, although I can't recall him being other than unpleasant to be around. He was a great front man before the megalomania took him.
If any SF band deserves the influence crown it's probably The Avengers. Without The Avengers the whole SF punk scene would have been much different - and they went on to have influence far beyond punk. Ever heard of James (Jimmy) Wilsey?
Hell, The Mutants were more influential than the DKs.
Nobody outside of SF knew the Mutants, this isn’t revisonist, nor is it who influenced you, the original post was about who influenced somebody else. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you. It would be revisionist if he suddenly changed his post to say HE was influenced by a band that he really was indirectly influenced by. While again I wasn’t in SF as it happened I was in the Middle of the country and let me tell you it was the DKs Black Flag and Suicidal Tendencies people were listening to. Sorry but again you break through your the one who is going to influence people. Its kind of hard to influence someone who doesn’t know you exist. Was Nirvana the best band to come out of Grunge. Hell no, but they got airplay and a whole generation counts them asan influence. If somebody picked up a Cheap Les Paul copy because of Guns and Roses, do we tell them they did it because for Aerosmith, because GNR is a cheap Aerosmith copy? Careful because Aerosmith is arguably a ripoff of the Stones. Wait what about Muddy Waters Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson. Damn they ripped off all those old slaves. it goes on and on but Hey congratulations John you managed to make somebody else’s influences about you and be the revisionist you hate about his history. hate yourself yet?
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 14:58:26 GMT -6
Well, I have this thing about pushers of revisionist, highly inaccurate history and I also have a thing about those who take credit they are not due. Let's just say that in SF punk circles Jello is the most hated person. Heck at Gilman street one time the punks jumped him and beat the crap out of him. He SCREWED the DKs, lawsuits and all. I understand that his record company is, er, legally contentious, and not in an artist oriented way.
I don't mind him really myself, although I can't recall him being other than unpleasant to be around. He was a great front man before the megalomania took him.
If any SF band deserves the influence crown it's probably The Avengers. Without The Avengers the whole SF punk scene would have been much different - and they went on to have influence far beyond punk. Ever heard of James (Jimmy) Wilsey?
Hell, The Mutants were more influential than the DKs.
I'm really confused as to why this is tricky to understand. Nobody is disputing your points about the SF punk scene, the point is how does that extend to telling someone "no, that's not an influence for you" or whatever it is that you're trying to say about someone's personal music choices. For some people (most people?) music preferences are made based on whether or not they like the sound of the music. If you're more interested in non-musical concepts like purity and consensus opinion in specific niche groups... that's cool too. But this thread is about which artists inspire the members of this board, not which artists have the most supposed artistic integrity in the opinions of one specific sub-genre in a city that hasn't been musically relevant in quite some time. I didn't mean to dictate anyone's influences.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 6, 2021 15:02:42 GMT -6
I'm really confused as to why this is tricky to understand. Nobody is disputing your points about the SF punk scene, the point is how does that extend to telling someone "no, that's not an influence for you" or whatever it is that you're trying to say about someone's personal music choices. For some people (most people?) music preferences are made based on whether or not they like the sound of the music. If you're more interested in non-musical concepts like purity and consensus opinion in specific niche groups... that's cool too. But this thread is about which artists inspire the members of this board, not which artists have the most supposed artistic integrity in the opinions of one specific sub-genre in a city that hasn't been musically relevant in quite some time. I didn't mean to dictate anyone's influences. The phrase that's irking people is "I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no." It sounds like you're saying the poster who mentioned Dead Kennedys should somehow not have listed them as their own influence. But it also sounds like you're saying that wasn't your intent, so maybe we can put this sidebar portion of an otherwise cool thread to bed. What are YOUR influences and inspirations johneppstein ? That's more interesting than arguing about the DKs.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 15:05:55 GMT -6
Well, I have this thing about pushers of revisionist, highly inaccurate history and I also have a thing about those who take credit they are not due. Let's just say that in SF punk circles Jello is the most hated person. Heck at Gilman street one time the punks jumped him and beat the crap out of him. He SCREWED the DKs, lawsuits and all. I understand that his record company is, er, legally contentious, and not in an artist oriented way.
I don't mind him really myself, although I can't recall him being other than unpleasant to be around. He was a great front man before the megalomania took him.
If any SF band deserves the influence crown it's probably The Avengers. Without The Avengers the whole SF punk scene would have been much different - and they went on to have influence far beyond punk. Ever heard of James (Jimmy) Wilsey?
Hell, The Mutants were more influential than the DKs.
Nobody outside of SF knew the Mutants, this isn’t revisonist, nor is it who influenced you, the original post was about who influenced somebody else. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you. It would be revisionist if he suddenly changed his post to say HE was influenced by a band that he really was indirectly influenced by. While again I wasn’t in SF as it happened I was in the Middle of the country and let me tell you it was the DKs Black Flag and Suicidal Tendencies people were listening to. Sorry but again you break through your the one who is going to influence people. Its kind of hard to influence someone who doesn’t know you exist. Was Nirvana the best band to come out of Grunge. Hell no, but they got airplay and a whole generation counts them asan influence. If somebody picked up a Cheap Les Paul copy because of Guns and Roses, do we tell them they did it because for Aerosmith, because GNR is a cheap Aerosmith copy? Careful because Aerosmith is arguably a ripoff of the Stones. Wait what about Muddy Waters Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson. Damn they ripped off all those old slaves. it goes on and on but Hey congratulations John you managed to make somebody else’s influences about you and be the revisionist you hate about his history. hate yourself yet? Both the Mutants and The Avengers got national airplay.
Understand, when I mention Jello ripping people off i'm talking about business connected with the record label Alternative Tentacles, not music. And his own band were the biggest victims.
As to Aerosmith and the Stones, I think it was Rolling Stone Magazine where someone said "Steve Tyler is JUST LIKE Mick Jagger except he's got no moves and he can't sing." That was before they got any hits.....
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Post by bradd on Aug 6, 2021 15:06:28 GMT -6
It's very hard to limit it to three. The first one is easy, The Beatles. The second two could be any combination of Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Deep Purple.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 15:08:34 GMT -6
I didn't mean to dictate anyone's influences. The phrase that's irking people is "I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no." It sounds like you're saying the poster who mentioned Dead Kennedys should somehow not have listed them as their own influence. But it also sounds like you're saying that wasn't your intent, so maybe we can put this sidebar portion of an otherwise cool thread to bed. What are YOUR influences and inspirations johneppstein ? That's more interesting than arguing about the DKs. My influences? Gee, that'll take some editing.... and remembering.
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2021 15:15:02 GMT -6
Nobody outside of SF knew the Mutants, this isn’t revisonist, nor is it who influenced you, the original post was about who influenced somebody else. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you. It would be revisionist if he suddenly changed his post to say HE was influenced by a band that he really was indirectly influenced by. While again I wasn’t in SF as it happened I was in the Middle of the country and let me tell you it was the DKs Black Flag and Suicidal Tendencies people were listening to. Sorry but again you break through your the one who is going to influence people. Its kind of hard to influence someone who doesn’t know you exist. Was Nirvana the best band to come out of Grunge. Hell no, but they got airplay and a whole generation counts them asan influence. If somebody picked up a Cheap Les Paul copy because of Guns and Roses, do we tell them they did it because for Aerosmith, because GNR is a cheap Aerosmith copy? Careful because Aerosmith is arguably a ripoff of the Stones. Wait what about Muddy Waters Howlin Wolf, Robert Johnson. Damn they ripped off all those old slaves. it goes on and on but Hey congratulations John you managed to make somebody else’s influences about you and be the revisionist you hate about his history. hate yourself yet? Both the Mutants and The Avengers got national airplay.
Understand, when I mention Jello ripping people off i'm talking about business connected with the record label Alternative Tentacles, not music. And his own band were the biggest victims.
As to Aerosmith and the Stones, I think it was Rolling Stone Magazine where someone said "Steve Tyler is JUST LIKE Mick Jagger except he's got no moves and he can't sing." That was before they got any hits.....
The DKs received mainstream airplay, not just what was then college radio. Sure I had what Rolling Stone described as one of the top 10 college stations in my backyard but I also had WAPL one of RS’s top small market stations that played some DK’s guess which had more listeners. Thus more influence.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 6, 2021 15:15:57 GMT -6
For a 2nd shot at this: The Who Jethro Tull Any band with Eric Clapton, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, or Mike Bloomfield (Yardbirds, Cream, John Mayall, Derek & the Dominos, Electric Flag, Beatles , Buffalo Springfield, etc.)
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 6, 2021 15:16:41 GMT -6
The phrase that's irking people is "I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no." It sounds like you're saying the poster who mentioned Dead Kennedys should somehow not have listed them as their own influence. But it also sounds like you're saying that wasn't your intent, so maybe we can put this sidebar portion of an otherwise cool thread to bed. What are YOUR influences and inspirations johneppstein ? That's more interesting than arguing about the DKs. My influences? Gee, that'll take some editing.... and remembering.
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -6
So... Not everyone loves Jello. Chris Depends on the flavor.... Hospital Jello and Trac I made a punk frontman
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 6, 2021 15:34:46 GMT -6
The phrase that's irking people is "I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no." It sounds like you're saying the poster who mentioned Dead Kennedys should somehow not have listed them as their own influence. But it also sounds like you're saying that wasn't your intent, so maybe we can put this sidebar portion of an otherwise cool thread to bed. What are YOUR influences and inspirations johneppstein ? That's more interesting than arguing about the DKs. My influences? Gee, that'll take some editing.... and remembering. Well, as it turns out, that's what this thread is actually about. Who influenced us, the members of this online community. Not who influenced music history, or punk history, or the music scene in a particular city. That might also be an interesting thread, but it's not this thread.
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 6, 2021 15:37:07 GMT -6
Also, I'm sorry I listed 12. I'm regretting it now.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 6, 2021 15:48:57 GMT -6
Yes 20 is more like it! Chris
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2021 16:28:13 GMT -6
Also, I'm sorry I listed 12. I'm regretting it now. I listed 4 and could probably come up with another 40!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 6, 2021 17:00:35 GMT -6
Also, I'm sorry I listed 12. I'm regretting it now. I listed 4 and could probably come up with another 40! I stuck with the rules! And it wasn't easy... If Blake Mills ever reads this thread I'm worried it will ruin our chances of eventually becoming best friends. (If you're reading this Blake, I think we could be best friends.)
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2021 19:48:43 GMT -6
For a 2nd shot at this: The Who Jethro Tull Any band with Eric Clapton, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, or Mike Bloomfield (Yardbirds, Cream, John Mayall, Derek & the Dominos, Electric Flag, Beatles , Buffalo Springfield, etc.) Tull! Man, Ian Anderson left a mark. Love it so much. A buddy and I once spent a month+ long road trip listening almost exclusively to Thick As A Brick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 22:47:48 GMT -6
3 Ms for metal to make this more fun
Motorhead Mercyful Fate Morbid Angel
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 6, 2021 23:38:32 GMT -6
Taking question as present tense & ignoring past but no less relevant inspirations - Scott Walker - post crooner days - Deerhoof - Deantoni Parks Revisited Scott’s Crooner-core recently. I love it so much. “Little Things (That Keep Us Together)” is an under appreciated gem. And those first handful of tracks on Nite Flights are a pretty incredible blend of early and late period works. I mean, what genre is “The Electrician”?!
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Post by jampa on Aug 7, 2021 3:50:33 GMT -6
Revisited Scott’s Crooner-core recently. I love it so much. “Little Things (That Keep Us Together)” is an under appreciated gem. And those first handful of tracks on Nite Flights are a pretty incredible blend of early and late period works. I mean, what genre is “The Electrician”?! Nite flights is what got me hooked. I simultaneously went forward and backwards into his career after that, which was wild. Understood the impact on Bowie. Also a big Bowie fan
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 7, 2021 11:25:07 GMT -6
Revisited Scott’s Crooner-core recently. I love it so much. “Little Things (That Keep Us Together)” is an under appreciated gem. And those first handful of tracks on Nite Flights are a pretty incredible blend of early and late period works. I mean, what genre is “The Electrician”?! Nite flights is what got me hooked. I simultaneously went forward and backwards into his career after that, which was wild. Understood the impact on Bowie. Also a big Bowie fan I grew up in a Bowie-listening household and remember watching a matinee of Labyrinth on the day it came out, so I feel like I was primed for enjoying Scott’s music when it was initially introduced to me. That said, I was a Drag City Records dork in college and my first experience was listening to Tilt in a dark room with an edgy friend. A few months later, another friend played me the Jacques Brel era stuff and I got fully hooked. It was hard to make sense of guy from Ohio who was making 10/10 covers of French Vocal pop and also terrifying and beautiful avant garde sound collage. As someone who is primarily interested in the intersection of pop and experimental music, Scott’s pretty much the patron saint. A true 30 century man sonically and lyrically. RIP Walker & Bowie
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Post by Ward on Aug 7, 2021 11:28:28 GMT -6
OMG . . . what a difficult question to answer concisely.
Vocals: Stevie Wonder, Glen Campbell, Glenn Hughes, Ray Charles, Buck Owens, Dwight Yoakum, Merle Haggard, David Coverdale, Lyle Lovett my old teacher Mark Baxter
Guitar: Roy Clarke, Glen Campbell, Jeff Beck, Gary Moore, Randy Rhoads, Pete Anderson, Tony Rice
Production wise: Jellyfish, Queen, ELO, Stones, Beatles, Rush a TON of 80s and 90s Nashville stuff as well. So pick the bones out of that, RT Baker, JJ Puig, Glyn, Andy, Dowd, etc
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 7, 2021 15:10:17 GMT -6
I can't really answer the question as posed. I have more than 3 major influences just from my folk period, when I was learning guitar. Heck, I have major influences going back to early childhood.
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