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Post by donr on Aug 4, 2021 21:22:19 GMT -6
Inspiring choices all. JK, great thread.
As a budding player,
The Ventures The Surfaris The Beach Boys (though I guess it was the wrecking crew)
Woodshed phase
Danny Kalb (Blues Project)/Jerry Garcia Jeff Beck/Richie Blackmore Eric Clapton/Jimmy Page
As songwriter
Beatles (especially after Ed Sullivan appearance) Paul Simon Don Henley
Ragan, I still mourn Gerry Rafferty. I dig all kinds of music, but my faves are songs that raise the hair on my arm and can make me choke up or tear my heart out. I'm generally not as interested if you're telling me how happy you are.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 4, 2021 21:30:14 GMT -6
Hard to choose of course but here goes.
Dylan (VERY derivative but I still like him) Otis Redding (Derivative II - The Return of Derivative) Beck (Max derivative, post-derivative art)
For me the pattern is I like great vocal phrasing. Ray Charles is the best phraser of all time but Otis takes his spot because of Steve Cropper. Steve Cropper and Hubert Sumlin, all you ever need to know for guitar.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2021 21:37:44 GMT -6
Inspiring choices all. JK, great thread. As a budding player, The Ventures The Surfaris The Beach Boys (though I guess it was the wrecking crew) Woodshed phase Danny Kalb (Blues Project)/Jerry Garcia Jeff Beck/Richie Blackmore Eric Clapton/Jimmy Page As songwriter Beatles (especially after Ed Sullivan appearance) Paul Simon Don Henley Ragan, I still mourn Gerry Rafferty. I dig all kinds of music, but my faves are songs that raise the hair on my arm and can make me choke up or tear my heart out. I'm generally not as interested if you're telling me how happy you are. I listen to a lot of Simon and Henley too, Don. So many great writers, hard to choose. Still fun to try though.
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Post by donr on Aug 4, 2021 21:45:04 GMT -6
Inspiring choices all. JK, great thread. As a budding player, The Ventures The Surfaris The Beach Boys (though I guess it was the wrecking crew) Woodshed phase Danny Kalb (Blues Project)/Jerry Garcia Jeff Beck/Richie Blackmore Eric Clapton/Jimmy Page As songwriter Beatles (especially after Ed Sullivan appearance) Paul Simon Don Henley Ragan, I still mourn Gerry Rafferty. I dig all kinds of music, but my faves are songs that raise the hair on my arm and can make me choke up or tear my heart out. I'm generally not as interested if you're telling me how happy you are. >I listen to a lot of Simon and Henley too, Don. So many great writers, hard to choose. Still fun to try though. I like Simon and Henley because they both evoke the listener's thoughts in their lyric, they never pandered to pop or social conventions in their songs, and mostly 'cause their vocal ranges and capabilities were in shooting distance of my own, if I were going to sing songs I wrote.
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Post by ericn on Aug 4, 2021 21:48:36 GMT -6
I'm terrible with this question. Here's mine: Imogen Heap Joe Hisaishi Pretty much any 2010-era indie (Vampire Weekend, Foals, Phoenix, Boy, Dragonette, St. Vincent, etc.) Honorable mention to Dead Kennedys, Ceremony, and Charli XCX. I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no. Not even for punk, really. You need to check out some of the ORIGINAL SF punk bands. Crime. The Avengers.The Dils. VKTMS. Negative Trend. Even The Lewd.
Nina Crawford with the VKTMS was incredible, both as a singer/vocalist and as a great harp player - the only person I know of who merged blues harp with punk rock. Successfully, I might add. RIP, Nina. Cancer.....
Bet you've never heard of any of those....
The DKs were very derivative.
The ORIGINAL SF punk bands. DKs were 3rd generation, at best. And Jello's a dick.
Lewd is still going, occasionally. So are The Avengers.
I worked sound at The Mabuhay Gardens for around 10 years, with breaks for touring. I know SF punk pretty damn well. (Original bassist for Fast Floyd and the Firebirds. '77-'78.)
John I liked this because I know you were there with a front row seat but seriously man I have a dirty little secret, it’s all a derivative of some cave man banging on a rock with a stick. I do hate to break this to you but outside of the SF area to most of us the DKs were the original American Punk. Good god this is the music biz, it’s never been about who’s best, it’s always been about one hell of a lot of luck. I know Donr isn’t going to come here and trace the roots of somebody’s influence back to BOC. Hell if I’m completely honest since it’s one of my first real musical memory so it probably the biggest musical influence on me it would be the first Seseam ST Album, by 3 I had worn out 2 copies. So what, it’s the root of who I am so stop being Oscar. The idea here I think is 2 fold. 1 we get a chance to see where someone is coming from. Where else are you going to see someone admit that both Richard Marx (I have my own issues here but I will keep my issues to myself) and the Great Mario Lanza. In Vincent I hear it and it makes sense. I don’t care if Brittney Spears is who you consider your biggest influence if you make great music, although Richard Thompson did choose Whoops I Did it Again for his compilation of the History of Pop Music. 2 discovery/ Rediscovery. So much music is just a click away, it’s nice to have some direction sometimes. It’s also a way to discover the roots of somebody’s aesthetic.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 4, 2021 22:21:32 GMT -6
Gordon Lightfoot/Jim Croce/Cat Stevens on the Folk-ish side of Town for me.
And that songwriting Godzilla, better known as Bob Dylan. But Joni M./Laura Nyro/Carol King (and her collaborators) are right up there too!
See how I sneak in other greats! Chris P.S. Also Paul Simon/Ray Davies/Jimmy Webb/Harry Nilsson/et al.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 4, 2021 22:28:26 GMT -6
Wait, didn't you hear the man? You can't possibly have been influenced by DK because John did LOTS of gigs and blah blah blah blah fuckin' blah "As an influence, uh, no." Seriously, johneppstein , do you ever wear yourself out with this shit? Like, how do you type that out and not cringe so hard that you pull a muscle and then, once recovered, immediately delete it? If cork sniffing were an olympic sport... I think John's posts influence me to be a nicer person.
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Post by levon on Aug 5, 2021 2:55:41 GMT -6
One thing's for sure, you guys have some ecclectic tastes, love it...
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Post by wiz on Aug 5, 2021 4:30:03 GMT -6
Pink Floyd Mark Knopfler John Hiatt
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 5, 2021 5:07:06 GMT -6
donr mentioning the “Wrecking Crew” reminded me of Glen Campbell who is actually the reason I wanted to play guitar in the first place. My mom used to tell people that I would literally rock myself to sleep on my rocking horse playing his records. My long time childhood friend who is my chief songwriting partner and I used to make up silly performances to old Smokey Robinson singles like “Tears if a Clown”. I was influenced by “good” music. If I liked it growling up, it became a part of who I am now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 7:10:36 GMT -6
Mine are more in the producer / recorder realm as that's more in my vocation.
John Wood Nigel Gray Glyn Johns
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Post by ericn on Aug 5, 2021 7:44:45 GMT -6
Inspiring choices all. JK, great thread. As a budding player, The Ventures The Surfaris The Beach Boys (though I guess it was the wrecking crew) Woodshed phase Danny Kalb (Blues Project)/Jerry Garcia Jeff Beck/Richie Blackmore Eric Clapton/Jimmy Page As songwriter Beatles (especially after Ed Sullivan appearance) Paul Simon Don Henley Ragan, I still mourn Gerry Raffertya. I dig all kinds of music, but my faves are songs that raise the hair on my arm and can make me choke up or tear my heart out. I'm generally not as interested if you're telling me how happy you are. Funny enough I was telling Dylan the other day how you can hear a Brian Wilson influence in the vocal work on Reaper.
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Post by ragan on Aug 5, 2021 11:06:54 GMT -6
Crap, forgot Knopfler. Another really big influence for me.
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Post by christopher on Aug 5, 2021 11:11:37 GMT -6
Last 12 months:
Ventures- New Depths, and older records the clean guitar and ride cymbals on early stuff are my holy grail for sound. I saw them with 3 original members about 20 years ago at a smaller size gig, taught me there’s no reason to abandon music simply because I’m getting older. You could see they loved playing, and played incredible, one of my all time favorite shows. .
Les Paul & trio- Hawaiian Paradise I just wanted to know what 1948 sounded like: Melody, dynamics, flow, can’t stop listening. A few times a week.
Systems Officer- Underslept This is a 2009 record with Armistead Burwell Smith IV, who is a massive influence on me, especially 3MP. I passed on this when it was new because it seemed like a another PT record, and bored me. Streaming allowed me to give it a real shot and I listen almost daily for past year. The lyrics are about the stresses of daily life, the rat race, and as it was made during the recession I can really feel the tension. Incredibly underrated unknown album.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 5, 2021 11:47:42 GMT -6
Paul Johnson just died from Covid, a seminal Chicago house musician. I've been profoundly inspired by some differently able musicians, stick to 3 I guess
Gaelyn Lea Paul Johnson Stevie Wonder
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 5, 2021 21:57:09 GMT -6
No list of 3 can possibly give an idea of my musical center, but this list of 12 actually does a pretty good job of locating me (Sorry to break the rules--such a cheesy thing to do):
Sigur Rós Bob Dylan Marc Cohn Beatles Radiohead Shawn Colvin U2 Mark Heard Counting Crows Bruce Springsteen Sufjan Stevens Rich Mullins
Hell, I might literally be dead without Dylan, U2, Sufjan, and Rich.
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Post by jampa on Aug 6, 2021 4:27:57 GMT -6
Taking question as present tense & ignoring past but no less relevant inspirations
- Scott Walker - post crooner days - Deerhoof - Deantoni Parks
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 13:02:58 GMT -6
Wait, didn't you hear the man? You can't possibly have been influenced by DK because John did LOTS of gigs and blah blah blah blah fuckin' blah "As an influence, uh, no." Seriously, johneppstein , do you ever wear yourself out with this shit? Like, how do you type that out and not cringe so hard that you pull a muscle and then, once recovered, immediately delete it? If cork sniffing were an olympic sport... Well, if you're not from the original SF punk scene you probably wouldn't understand.
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Post by dreamsambas on Aug 6, 2021 13:15:39 GMT -6
Heard Broadcast for the first time earlier this year. My first thought was - where has this been all my life? Echo's Answer is a breathtaking song. Haha Sound is my favorite album. ( warning: very strange music)
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Post by dreamsambas on Aug 6, 2021 13:23:52 GMT -6
This is a great topic for a thread. The hard part is picking just 3!
All time: Gilberto Gil (or Adron) Sonic Youth (or Bjork) Marty Robbins (or Patsy Cline)
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Post by theshea on Aug 6, 2021 13:27:02 GMT -6
songwriting and sounds: it used to be the beatles, for a very long period. they have so much different styles to offer. than obscure songs from obscure garagebands. now inspiration lies in so many places: a snare sound, a groove, a vocal effect, art, fotography ...
guitarwise it used to be: hendrix - to good for me ;-) noel gallagher - way easier to learn from than hendrix nick mccabe - from the verve, effect/layer king
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 6, 2021 13:27:06 GMT -6
All of the stuff in the '60s on Blue Note. Judy Collins The Paul Butterfield Blues Band The Band
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 6, 2021 13:29:21 GMT -6
Wait, didn't you hear the man? You can't possibly have been influenced by DK because John did LOTS of gigs and blah blah blah blah fuckin' blah "As an influence, uh, no." Seriously, johneppstein , do you ever wear yourself out with this shit? Like, how do you type that out and not cringe so hard that you pull a muscle and then, once recovered, immediately delete it? If cork sniffing were an olympic sport... Well, if you're not from the original SF punk scene you probably wouldn't understand. John, you’re the original hipster!
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2021 13:59:06 GMT -6
Wait, didn't you hear the man? You can't possibly have been influenced by DK because John did LOTS of gigs and blah blah blah blah fuckin' blah "As an influence, uh, no." Seriously, johneppstein , do you ever wear yourself out with this shit? Like, how do you type that out and not cringe so hard that you pull a muscle and then, once recovered, immediately delete it? If cork sniffing were an olympic sport... Well, if you're not from the original SF punk scene you probably wouldn't understand. I understand very well that telling someone their own personal influences are invalid is a load of BS. Pet opinions about a given scene don’t concern me.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 6, 2021 14:23:41 GMT -6
I did LOTs of gigs, doing sound for the DKs. As an influence, Uh, no. Not even for punk, really. You need to check out some of the ORIGINAL SF punk bands. Crime. The Avengers.The Dils. VKTMS. Negative Trend. Even The Lewd.
Nina Crawford with the VKTMS was incredible, both as a singer/vocalist and as a great harp player - the only person I know of who merged blues harp with punk rock. Successfully, I might add. RIP, Nina. Cancer.....
Bet you've never heard of any of those....
The DKs were very derivative.
The ORIGINAL SF punk bands. DKs were 3rd generation, at best. And Jello's a dick.
Lewd is still going, occasionally. So are The Avengers.
I worked sound at The Mabuhay Gardens for around 10 years, with breaks for touring. I know SF punk pretty damn well. (Original bassist for Fast Floyd and the Firebirds. '77-'78.)
John I liked this because I know you were there with a front row seat but seriously man I have a dirty little secret, it’s all a derivative of some cave man banging on a rock with a stick. I do hate to break this to you but outside of the SF area to most of us the DKs were the original American Punk. Good god this is the music biz, it’s never been about who’s best, it’s always been about one hell of a lot of luck. I know Donr isn’t going to come here and trace the roots of somebody’s influence back to BOC. Hell if I’m completely honest since it’s one of my first real musical memory so it probably the biggest musical influence on me it would be the first Seseam ST Album, by 3 I had worn out 2 copies. So what, it’s the root of who I am so stop being Oscar. The idea here I think is 2 fold. 1 we get a chance to see where someone is coming from. Where else are you going to see someone admit that both Richard Marx (I have my own issues here but I will keep my issues to myself) and the Great Mario Lanza. In Vincent I hear it and it makes sense. I don’t care if Brittney Spears is who you consider your biggest influence if you make great music, although Richard Thompson did choose Whoops I Did it Again for his compilation of the History of Pop Music. 2 discovery/ Rediscovery. So much music is just a click away, it’s nice to have some direction sometimes. It’s also a way to discover the roots of somebody’s aesthetic. Well, I have this thing about pushers of revisionist, highly inaccurate history and I also have a thing about those who take credit they are not due. Let's just say that in SF punk circles Jello is the most hated person. Heck at Gilman street one time the punks jumped him and beat the crap out of him. He SCREWED the DKs, lawsuits and all. I understand that his record company is, er, legally contentious, and not in an artist oriented way.
I don't mind him really myself, although I can't recall him being other than unpleasant to be around. He was a great front man before the megalomania took him.
If any SF band deserves the influence crown it's probably The Avengers. Without The Avengers the whole SF punk scene would have been much different - and they went on to have influence far beyond punk. Ever heard of James (Jimmy) Wilsey?
Hell, The Mutants were more influential than the DKs.
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