Quick comparison of track I just cut.

Interesting.

The 2Buss+ almost sound like a completely different mix. It's wider, but brings the hihats too much for my taste, it sounds unbalanced overall. It's the exact same mix as the ITB?

The Remote rig one sounds the best for sure. Yes, it's brither and fatter, and you can bring the ITB closer to it with some eq moves, but the sense of space and the deep low end will be hard to match.

Only listened on earbuds but I liked the 2 bus+ best. But levels did sound pretty different between the three.

Is the 2 Buss, just the ITB mix passed through the Dangerous? or an different ITB mix using the 2 Buss during mixing?

cheers

Wiz

thanks for that...

I enjoyed all three....but I must say, for dollars, and time.... the ITB/2 Buss was the winner for me...especially if you are under the pump.

cheers and great work

Wiz

Do you have a pic of the remote rig? Or just give us an overview of what you are using?

Everyone's ears are different.
We all hear things differently, and gravitate towards certain sounds that appeal to us, that maybe someone else doesn't like.
And that's the beauty in having choices.

But for me, and it might be simply due to 46 years of mixing thru a Analog console, with lots of outboard, that I lean in that direction.
Once again, I've spent days on a few ITB mixes, and I thought they sounded great.
BUT if I tried a Console mix, I would be shocked in the difference.

Now, here's a thought,
We all know that there's a lot of famous engineers mixing quite successfully ITB, and their mixes sound great!
We also know most of them are doing so, literally because of Recall...and that makes total sense I get it.

Funny thing is, did any of them ever take a song mixed ITB, and do a fully Analog console mix of the same tune for comparison?
Like I did ... but for real???

Boy I'd love to hear that!

Hey Stormy,
Attached is a few photos of one of my Remote recording Rigs I built.
Each rig is comprised of 6 racks.
The three slanted racks on top, and the 3 base racks.

I have 2 complete systems, (12 racks) one is here at my place set up in my little room, as my console & cabling won't fit, so I'm using one of these at the moment, and the other is still on rental in a friends great room, where he uses it to cut tracks.
(that one is also listed for sale) 

I designed and built these out of the desire to get out of the studio and have the ability to record in different locations / environments so to speak.
Not for live in the club type of work, more often used when someone sets up camp in a rented space for a month or so.

As a teenager I was completely amazed that more than half of the records I loved were of British Rock Bands, and most of those records were recorded using a Helios Console! And quite a few were recorded outside of a typical studio, using a remote recording vehicle, and those also had Helios consoles installed...
So that was the impetus for this setup.

Where I live there are many, unused Estates, Barns, Grange Halls, Churches etc...
And this is where this system comes into play.

Left Rack houses the Radar 6, and a folding screen that you cannot see in the photos, it pulls out in front of the Radar!

Middle Rack is the 8 Helios type 69, mic pre / Eq's, the API, 8200A, which is used to sum tracks to gather while tracking, or used as 8 extra returns if mixing...And then the Neve 8816, which is usually used for monitoring while tracking, and in my case was the main mixer, for the mix I posted...

Right Rack, house another 8 Helios type 69's, but I've popped 2 out, and replaced them with 2 x 760 limiters...for mixing...
Below that are 4 x Shadow Hills, Mono Optograph, limiters, and a Dual Vandagraph stereo limiter.
You can't see in the photos, but there is complete, 96 point "TT" patchbay atop the racks towards the rear so patching in / out of all this gear is relatively simple.
Once arriving at a location, setup, other then mic's in and such, usually takes about 30 minutes.

The lower racks house the 2 Genelecs, as well as all the snakes and cabling to wire it all together.
There is also, another rack, with 4 x UA X interfaces, if someone wants that instead of the Radar?

"CLA did it a couple years back.

He did a mix on his SSL and then the same one with plugins, trying to showcase a plugin he collaborated on, I don't remember which one and anyway all I remember thinking was that it wasn't a very good ad for the plugins.

The SSL mix sounded quite a bit better."

There ya go...
Exactly my point~!

First of all, beautiful work. But I would expect nothing less.

It is incredible what passing a mix through different 2-buss or your outboard grab-n-go rig can do to the overall balance and tone. Electric gitars sound fantastic with the Helios/Neve/API rig but acoustic guitars seem to present best in the ITB presentation. bricejchandler and I agree that the plugz ITB could be tailored enough to get close to analog. At least 90%.


But sadly, dan and I are completely at odds about what's happening with the Kickdrum
So as an aside . . .
The hardest thing I have to get past is the somewhat boxy quality of the kickdrum - the 2-buss just about took care of that. Otherwise, the old 325-350 narrow slicing might be necessary. Even a little dip around 450-500.

But that's a minute quibble only, and totally down to taste. I'm somewhere between Terry Brown (who I worked with) and Bob Rock on kick-drum carving.

Andrew Scheps did two mixes, one OTB one ITB for puremix. I'll have to go back and listen. I think it was a Ziggy Marley track called Fly Rasta.