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Post by mike on May 16, 2021 5:13:18 GMT -6
I know the answer can vary based on song & singer, but thought it would be interesting to hear what everyone's favorite Reverb Preset & Predelay choice is on vocals ?
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Post by Tbone81 on May 16, 2021 6:55:00 GMT -6
I really like Sound Toys Little Plate for a lot of vocal stuff, I insert a delay in front since it doesn’t have a built in pre-delay, usually keep it at 20-80ms. Sometimes no Presley’s at all though. Just depends
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Post by EmRR on May 16, 2021 8:54:35 GMT -6
Predelay by tempo increments, the rest based on context. Lately frequently using IR’s of some studio rooms I’ve made.
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Post by wiz on May 16, 2021 16:55:12 GMT -6
I use capitol chambers with a preset based on Al Schmitt.... both at tracking and at mix down
Also the Bricasti is used at mix down.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2021 17:20:03 GMT -6
I use capitol chambers with a preset based on Al Schmitt.... both at tracking and at mix down Also the Bricasti is used at mix down. Cheers Wiz The one one !
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Post by wiz on May 16, 2021 18:01:41 GMT -6
I use capitol chambers with a preset based on Al Schmitt.... both at tracking and at mix down Also the Bricasti is used at mix down. Cheers Wiz The one one ! I think that's it... most beautiful verb I have ever sung with cheers Wiz
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Post by seawell on May 16, 2021 18:56:09 GMT -6
I also do pre-delay based on tempo. It usually falls in the 50-60ms range on faster songs and 90-120ms range on slower songs. It is some combination of a Lexicon PCM 70(Rich Chamber or a Hall), PCM 80(Rich Plate) or PCM 91(Large Random Hall). Usually leaning on 1 as the main vocal reverb with one of the others tucked underneath.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 16, 2021 18:58:32 GMT -6
I use capitol chambers with a preset based on Al Schmitt.... both at tracking and at mix down Also the Bricasti is used at mix down. Cheers Wiz Which CC preset do you like?
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Post by wiz on May 16, 2021 19:04:41 GMT -6
I think it’s called the one... will check when I get home
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 19:14:30 GMT -6
PSP EMT 2445 snare preset on snare. It just works.
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Post by EmRR on May 16, 2021 19:26:51 GMT -6
I also do pre-delay based on tempo. It usually falls in the 50-60ms range on faster songs and 90-120ms range on slower songs. It is some combination of a Lexicon PCM 70(Rich Chamber or a Hall), PCM 80(Rich Plate) or PCM 91(Large Random Hall). Usually leaning on 1 as the main vocal reverb with one of the others tucked underneath. Wow, I don’t ever feel like i can get away with anything that long. Probably rick rubins fault.
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Post by seawell on May 16, 2021 19:46:09 GMT -6
I also do pre-delay based on tempo. It usually falls in the 50-60ms range on faster songs and 90-120ms range on slower songs. It is some combination of a Lexicon PCM 70(Rich Chamber or a Hall), PCM 80(Rich Plate) or PCM 91(Large Random Hall). Usually leaning on 1 as the main vocal reverb with one of the others tucked underneath. Wow, I don’t ever feel like i can get away with anything that long. Probably rick rubins fault. I should've clarified the pre-delay is for whichever unit I'm using for the hall. So, blending in a bit of the plate or chamber kind of helps the transition from the early reverb sound to the tail. I like blending them instead of leaning solely on one. Totally ripped that idea from Andy Wallace but I like it
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2021 21:08:18 GMT -6
I think it’s called the one... will check when I get home It is called The One, it’s the CC default.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 16, 2021 21:24:51 GMT -6
I have all my reverbs on a bus and dial in different amounts to create a soundstage. First I use the UAD Ocean Way plug-in, but only as a room sound. It makes tracks sound like the players were all in the same room. Then I use Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven as my main reverb. . Strangely enough, I use one of the studio sounds, often the London preset. I tweak pre-delay by ear to work with the track. Then I put the Relab XL480 on a medium hall. That expands the track and the widening aspect makes you feel the space is more 3D than just one reverb. Again, pre-delay depends. I then use a third reverb sparingly, if at all. I've just started using the Phoenix Verb for that, it's the cleanest sound yet. I also keep Sound Toys Little Plate on another bus, just in case I want to be a little creative.
Funny, I track with UAD's EMT-140 but don't print it. It sounds great, but I prefer it for solo acoustic guitars in a singer/songwriter context. In that use, it's amazingly rich.
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Post by mike on May 17, 2021 5:38:46 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies, I don't have the UA Capital Chambers plug but remember hearing Al's favorite chamber at Capital was #4 for his main vocal verb, with a little Bricasti blended in using a Clear Hall setting dialed down to about 1.9 seconds and a predelay range on it between 80-120ms depending on the song. Usually sitting around 90ms as the starting point.
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Post by stormymondays on May 17, 2021 6:18:55 GMT -6
Sunset Chamber on the Bricasti is usually hard to beat.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2021 8:40:05 GMT -6
I have all my reverbs on a bus and dial in different amounts to create a soundstage. First I use the UAD Ocean Way plug-in, but only as a room sound. It makes tracks sound like the players were all in the same room. Then I use Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven as my main reverb. . Strangely enough, I use one of the studio sounds, often the London preset. I tweak pre-delay by ear to work with the track. Then I put the Relab XL480 on a medium hall. That expands the track and the widening aspect makes you feel the space is more 3D than just one reverb. Again, pre-delay depends. I then use a third reverb sparingly, if at all. I've just started using the Phoenix Verb for that, it's the cleanest sound yet. I also keep Sound Toys Little Plate on another bus, just in case I want to be a little creative. Funny, I track with UAD's EMT-140 but don't print it. It sounds great, but I prefer it for solo acoustic guitars in a singer/songwriter context. In that use, it's amazingly rich. Do you do these all on the same bus?
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Post by drumsound on May 18, 2021 1:18:13 GMT -6
I seem to spend a lot of time visiting and re-visiting predelay as I work with reverb. I like the Little Plate (usually with Echoboy JR as predelay) and the SP2016 ITB, but still use my TC M3K and Lexi PCM60 a fair amount. The PT (reverb One? Air? can't remember the name) reverb sounds really good on tambourine, for some reason.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 18, 2021 7:09:38 GMT -6
I have all my reverbs on a bus and dial in different amounts to create a soundstage. First I use the UAD Ocean Way plug-in, but only as a room sound. It makes tracks sound like the players were all in the same room. Then I use Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven as my main reverb. . Strangely enough, I use one of the studio sounds, often the London preset. I tweak pre-delay by ear to work with the track. Then I put the Relab XL480 on a medium hall. That expands the track and the widening aspect makes you feel the space is more 3D than just one reverb. Again, pre-delay depends. I then use a third reverb sparingly, if at all. I've just started using the Phoenix Verb for that, it's the cleanest sound yet. I also keep Sound Toys Little Plate on another bus, just in case I want to be a little creative. Funny, I track with UAD's EMT-140 but don't print it. It sounds great, but I prefer it for solo acoustic guitars in a singer/songwriter context. In that use, it's amazingly rich. Do you do these all on the same bus? No, I put each verb on a separate bus of its own. This way I dial in slightly different amounts of the Ocean Way plug to place the players in a room, as much like a soundstage as I can. Varying the position with the Ocean Way doesn't do much, but the little it does adds up in the end. I never make the OW obvious. I don't want it to be a reverb, I want an improvement on the overall room sound. There's always an amount of Ocean Way that when you dial it in, the space I recorded in vanishes and the players begin to sound like they're playing together. I stop right there. Then I put the Seventh Heaven on bus 2. That's my main reverb sound, usually the London Studio or a Plate, depending. On bus 3, the Relab XL480, this is to widen the space. The reverb bounces of "the walls" farther left and right than other reverbs, giving pianos and guitars a slight stereo effect. My next verb is an optional one, depending on the track.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 9:36:03 GMT -6
Misread the title. PSP 2445 anyway. It just works and sits in the mix. Kush/Relab GoldPlate is cool too but too much CPU. Relab Sonsig for long tails.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2021 9:46:42 GMT -6
My go-to has been the UAD Plate 140. Usually Plate B, bring the decay down a bit bring the HPF thingy up to about 200-300Hz and predelay either zero or a little to taste. Sometimes I’ll switch to plate A.
For super ethereal stuff or for that dreamy long decay, I love the Lexicon 224 small hall with the mid parameter cranked way up.
R4 Plate 81 is pretty awesome. Lots of cool stuff in the RMX16. I use Valhalla VV constantly - but not necessarily on vocals. Seventh Heaven gets more room work. Sometimes I’ll use it if I’m looking for a short chamber. Also cool plates.
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Post by Guitar on May 18, 2021 9:53:56 GMT -6
UAD 140 Plate for me too. Mess with settings, no "default." Decay time is the most important parameter most likely.
Exponential R4 (makes me want to drink scotch) for regular vocal ambience. It's a fools paradise of presets, and so much tweaking option from there, it's a dream. No standard preset here either. Predelay by ear.
Funny, same answer as JohnKenn, with the two picks.
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Post by jpanderson80 on May 18, 2021 13:43:30 GMT -6
Good timing. I've been digging deep on this lately. Sorry for the probably long post. I have been slow, so I started an in depth at my mix reverb options for vocals. After weeks of listening intently, (Yep, I said "slow"), I've found several presets that I like. Predelays differ depending on tempo as stated by others. Anywhere over 30-40 is normal. I usually don't go over 108.
Plate: Bricasti Dark or Rich; Nevo EMT 140 or 240 Gold ... it just depends on the tail and what the tail calls for. Those are marked for starting places. If those don't work, I try SoundToys Little Plate. Chamber: Bricasti Sunset - so good. Roomish: Bricasti Red, Large Red, Wooden, Studio B Close; Valhalla Room - Easy to tweak early and late reflections to fine tune.
I did my "testing" by using different voices, got a reverb really keyed in, then I'd flip to a different set of sends for a whole different vibe. It really helped train my ears to listen for small cues and hear the changes between various presets.
My favorite was rarely a single verb or a single style. Many times, my favorite was a blend of 2-4 verbs for a lead vocal. For example, I might like a "dry" room sound and also feed a separate plate with a long tail. When set with care, the louder notes rang more, but everything else seemed "dry". Of course it's not dry, because once you bypass the Verbs, it was actually dry. But just a tiny hint did enough to my perception that I lost myself in the music, rather than a cold dry vocal. Same idea with a Chamber too. Sometimes just a hint of chamber helped too. All together it was classy and yet not overly "reverby". Of course, that could be changed if needed, but the mental perception without the distraction was often the best. I set things up and left them for days, often coming back to them and flipping between busses and options with fresh ears.
I learned a lot about how my ears work, what I do and don't like. What sounds good and what surprisingly sounds good... even if I didn't guess that it would. (I guess I had preconceived ideas on some presets. Interesting to blow those up and start fresh!)
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2021 13:46:13 GMT -6
Oh - and for super lush long tail plate sounding plate - the Arturia 140 sounds awesome.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 18, 2021 13:53:02 GMT -6
Oh - and for super lush long tail plate sounding plate - the Arturia 140 sounds awesome. How much better is the UAD EMT Plate versus the Pure Plate? I've always stuck with the Pure Plate since I got it bundled but I'm not 100% happy with the reverbs I'm getting. I don't think it's the plugins though, I think it's me.
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