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Post by thirdeye on May 12, 2021 14:09:05 GMT -6
Yeah exactly, Chad a Signal Arts could tell you more and has commented on some choices on the Warm he felt weren’t the right way to go. That said, the WA47 is worth a listen in my opinion. And for the record, I own an RE20 and have tracked as much if not more with various SM7s and I think they’re both great. It’s not binary at all for me. Good advice on the WA47. I have a friend who has one here in Austin but I can't remember who. Maybe I can get my hands on it. I've decided on the SAE Premium 48 because I want the figure 8 pattern... how cool would it be to get the WA47 as well and pair those two up for m/s. Close your eyes and you're in Columbia Studio B, pretty sure I hear Paul Simon warming up his voice in the hallway. You're going to love it! All around, figure 8 pattern microphones are much more useful than omni for me in our studio.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 12, 2021 15:22:16 GMT -6
Good advice on the WA47. I have a friend who has one here in Austin but I can't remember who. Maybe I can get my hands on it. I've decided on the SAE Premium 48 because I want the figure 8 pattern... how cool would it be to get the WA47 as well and pair those two up for m/s. Close your eyes and you're in Columbia Studio B, pretty sure I hear Paul Simon warming up his voice in the hallway. You're going to love it! All around, figure 8 pattern microphones are much more useful than omni for me in our studio. Yeah, that's where I'm at too. As much as I'd love to go all Muscle Shoals on it and throw an omni drum mic in the drummer's lap, I'm not sure my little 11x15x8 room would like that too much! Someday. Someday.
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Post by notneeson on May 12, 2021 18:35:45 GMT -6
You're going to love it! All around, figure 8 pattern microphones are much more useful than omni for me in our studio. Yeah, that's where I'm at too. As much as I'd love to go all Muscle Shoals on it and throw an omni drum mic in the drummer's lap, I'm not sure my little 11x15x8 room would like that too much! Someday. Someday. The figure 8 pattern on the Warm is less good? Just curious, I’m really only using cardiod to cut vocals at home.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 12, 2021 19:19:28 GMT -6
Yeah, that's where I'm at too. As much as I'd love to go all Muscle Shoals on it and throw an omni drum mic in the drummer's lap, I'm not sure my little 11x15x8 room would like that too much! Someday. Someday. The figure 8 pattern on the Warm is less good? Just curious, I’m really only using cardiod to cut vocals at home. I don't know. I'm sure it's great, in fact the Warm47 has 9 patterns I think. But I was comparing the SAE 47 to the 48 when I said I was choosing it for the Fig 8. Sorry if that got confusing. This article put it over the top for me. Plus talking to Chad who seems like a really awesome guy. I love spending my money on small companies whenever possible. www.signalartelectronics.com/post/sae-47-the-next-generation
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Post by notneeson on May 12, 2021 20:29:40 GMT -6
The figure 8 pattern on the Warm is less good? Just curious, I’m really only using cardiod to cut vocals at home. I don't know. I'm sure it's great, in fact the Warm47 has 9 patterns I think. But I was comparing the SAE 47 to the 48 when I said I was choosing it for the Fig 8. Sorry if that got confusing. This article put it over the top for me. Plus talking to Chad who seems like a really awesome guy. I love spending my money on small companies whenever possible. www.signalartelectronics.com/post/sae-47-the-next-generationAh, that makes sense! And yes, I'm interested in Chad's mod for my mic. And maybe a capsule upgrade some day. Or not, it sounds quite good as is.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 12, 2021 21:12:40 GMT -6
I don't know. I'm sure it's great, in fact the Warm47 has 9 patterns I think. But I was comparing the SAE 47 to the 48 when I said I was choosing it for the Fig 8. Sorry if that got confusing. This article put it over the top for me. Plus talking to Chad who seems like a really awesome guy. I love spending my money on small companies whenever possible. www.signalartelectronics.com/post/sae-47-the-next-generationAh, that makes sense! And yes, I'm interested in Chad's mod for my mic. And maybe a capsule upgrade some day. Or not, it sounds quite good as is. I've never really been a mod guy. For $350 it would have to be a massive difference. There are good mics that go for that price, we've talked about a bunch of them on this thread. That's nearly "high end" for dynamics. I guess there must be a reason people do it though, so maybe it is that big of a deal.
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Post by notneeson on May 12, 2021 22:14:42 GMT -6
Ah, that makes sense! And yes, I'm interested in Chad's mod for my mic. And maybe a capsule upgrade some day. Or not, it sounds quite good as is. I've never really been a mod guy. For $350 it would have to be a massive difference. There are good mics that go for that price, we've talked about a bunch of them on this thread. That's nearly "high end" for dynamics. I guess there must be a reason people do it though, so maybe it is that big of a deal. Well, the capsule is a huge part of the sound of any LDC, so it makes sense that a boutique capsule might be a pleasing addition. I'm not really a mod guy either, you have to be prepared to own the thing forever or write off more resale than you might like. Mostly it's just one of those things I turn over in my head from time to time.
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Post by jmoose on May 13, 2021 9:58:22 GMT -6
I've never really been a mod guy. For $350 it would have to be a massive difference. There are good mics that go for that price, we've talked about a bunch of them on this thread. That's nearly "high end" for dynamics. I guess there must be a reason people do it though, so maybe it is that big of a deal. Well, the capsule is a huge part of the sound of any LDC, so it makes sense that a boutique capsule might be a pleasing addition. I'm not really a mod guy either, you have to be prepared to own the thing forever or write off more resale than you might like. Mostly it's just one of those things I turn over in my head from time to time. Modding gear, any gear you have to love it because you'll never get the money back out. Its like tossing $1k of parts at a Squier guitar... its still just a $200 used Squier. gravesnumber9 - That's the kind of thing I was talking about. Didn't really give you an "outside the box" answer... was very much inside the lines. Gathered that you seem to want to convert (??) from being a personal home studio to a facility with people who aren't your friends coming in? You may not dig a U87 on your own vocals. I get that, its not for everyone... But! That mic is a known commodity. People know what a U87 is and you can always get your money back out of it. Same goes for a 414 or new USA Telefunken or whatever. And those are all mics that can be used on lots of things besides vocals. My perspective is as a guy who's lived & worked in studios for 20 years. Everything from million dollar shops to humble home studios like yours... The biggest difference between them is usually infrastructure. The pro shops have things in place to make the technology more or less invisible to the artist. It doesn't take 20 minutes to patch a vocal mic... they don't run out of mic stands & cables... they don't run out of headphones. When I work out of someone's home studio I end up bringing a lot stuff along to keep the session moving & not have people standing around bored. You said you have a real piano but never record it, MIDI is easier? What can you do to solve that? If I came into a shop, paid to be there and saw a real piano I'd want to record it. If you said nah, I can't do that I'd have to wonder WTF is up? IMO you'd be way better off with something like an AT4050 or Rode tube mic and filling all those little gaps then sinking a bunch of coin into a "flagship" vocal mic. And even then, maybe get something that people have heard of.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 13, 2021 12:08:43 GMT -6
Well, the capsule is a huge part of the sound of any LDC, so it makes sense that a boutique capsule might be a pleasing addition. I'm not really a mod guy either, you have to be prepared to own the thing forever or write off more resale than you might like. Mostly it's just one of those things I turn over in my head from time to time. My perspective is as a guy who's lived & worked in studios for 20 years. Everything from million dollar shops to humble home studios like yours... The biggest difference between them is usually infrastructure. The pro shops have things in place to make the technology more or less invisible to the artist. It doesn't take 20 minutes to patch a vocal mic... they don't run out of mic stands & cables... they don't run out of headphones. When I work out of someone's home studio I end up bringing a lot stuff along to keep the session moving & not have people standing around bored. You said you have a real piano but never record it, MIDI is easier? What can you do to solve that? If I came into a shop, paid to be there and saw a real piano I'd want to record it. If you said nah, I can't do that I'd have to wonder WTF is up? You're totally correct. And lot of what I'm actually doing I didn't include in this post because it's not all that ambiguous from a gear perspective. For example... this weekend is devoted to setting up patchbay and headphones routing having finally just picked up a patchbay. All of that "hide the tech" type stuff is a big deal for me and where I'm putting a ton of hours and energy. On the piano, I can definitely mic it up and make it sound good. But the piano itself, although in great shape, is definitely a sound of it's own. Great if you're doing a Tom Waits Closing Time type thing, not so much for some other types of material. But really, the sounds I'm getting out of Pianoteq7 are so good that (sadly) I barely ever mic the piano up anymore. I LOVE miking pianos though and even when I'm working in big studios I typically take a lot of control on how the piano is miked unless I've got an engineer who really knows his stuff on piano (most don't IMHO). My taste isn't for everyone either. I'm going niche here. I someone likes the sounds I can get, I can get those sounds for them. If they're looking for a Swiss army knife studio in Austin, that's not me but there are a dozen or more great studios I can bring people to if they still want me to produce or I can just refer if they are self-producing. That's my planned approach. Doesn't counter what you said. Actually, I think it agrees with what you said and I am grateful for your expert contribution.
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Post by jmoose on May 13, 2021 14:29:07 GMT -6
My taste isn't for everyone either. I'm going niche here. I someone likes the sounds I can get, I can get those sounds for them. If they're looking for a Swiss army knife studio in Austin, that's not me but there are a dozen or more great studios I can bring people to if they still want me to produce or I can just refer if they are self-producing. That's my planned approach. Doesn't counter what you said. Actually, I think it agrees with what you said and I am grateful for your expert contribution. That's kinda how the production biz works as a whole... 98% of it is if someone likes what you do, they're gonna hire you. The rub is that these days everyone's got a home studio. Some of 'em are extremely nice & well equipped! The trick is that you need to be able to offer people something they don't have at their own home studio... Often perception is reality so they need to perceive the/your facilities added value on a tangible level.
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Post by ragan on May 13, 2021 14:38:25 GMT -6
I've never really been a mod guy. For $350 it would have to be a massive difference. There are good mics that go for that price, we've talked about a bunch of them on this thread. That's nearly "high end" for dynamics. I guess there must be a reason people do it though, so maybe it is that big of a deal. Well, the capsule is a huge part of the sound of any LDC, so it makes sense that a boutique capsule might be a pleasing addition. I'm not really a mod guy either, you have to be prepared to own the thing forever or write off more resale than you might like. Mostly it's just one of those things I turn over in my head from time to time. I think this is all correct. If I open something up and start messing with it, it's 100% because I want to experiment with it for my own use and education. Anything I mod, even if I make a significant improvement, I assume is going to stay here in my room forever unless I give it to a friend or something.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 13, 2021 14:44:09 GMT -6
My taste isn't for everyone either. I'm going niche here. I someone likes the sounds I can get, I can get those sounds for them. If they're looking for a Swiss army knife studio in Austin, that's not me but there are a dozen or more great studios I can bring people to if they still want me to produce or I can just refer if they are self-producing. That's my planned approach. Doesn't counter what you said. Actually, I think it agrees with what you said and I am grateful for your expert contribution. That's kinda how the production biz works as a whole... 98% of it is if someone likes what you do, they're gonna hire you. The rub is that these days everyone's got a home studio. Some of 'em are extremely nice & well equipped! The trick is that you need to be able to offer people something they don't have at their own home studio... Often perception is reality so they need to perceive the/your facilities added value on a tangible level. Exactly. Which is why the U87 advice is good advice, it's just that right now I need stuff that works for my voice as well. I considered a C414 for this exact reason. My "hook" is going to be that I'll play keys/guit on your record without additional charge which, if you don't already have a keyboard player (short supply here in Austin for whatever reason) you're basically getting the recording for free. That's how I'm getting some people in the door. And I've got a pretty good resume as a side player. Not Tier 1, but solid Tier 2. Then the trick is to get them to come back. And that's what I'm working on now. I want clients to feel like they're recording in their home studio in terms of vibe and comfort level, but have a more professional experience in terms of efficiency and quality. A lot of pro musicians and songwriters prefer recording themselves because they perform better, but they don't actually LIKE recording themselves. That's my target.
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Post by christopher on May 13, 2021 14:57:18 GMT -6
My taste isn't for everyone either. I'm going niche here. I someone likes the sounds I can get, I can get those sounds for them. If they're looking for a Swiss army knife studio in Austin, that's not me but there are a dozen or more great studios I can bring people to if they still want me to produce or I can just refer if they are self-producing. That's my planned approach. Doesn't counter what you said. Actually, I think it agrees with what you said and I am grateful for your expert contribution. That's kinda how the production biz works as a whole... 98% of it is if someone likes what you do, they're gonna hire you. The rub is that these days everyone's got a home studio. Some of 'em are extremely nice & well equipped! The trick is that you need to be able to offer people something they don't have at their own home studio... Often perception is reality so they need to perceive the/your facilities added value on a tangible level. Exactly this. Around here in North Bay the home studios build outs are obscene. The gear list? Who needs gear when there’s modeling? That’s so common it’s very depressing. A pair of good LDCs or epic vocal mic would be nice. Why rent a place who has a warm47 if I could just spend that money on a warm47? Edit: let me add on, lol, the main thing if I could give anyone advice looking back: gotta do it for yourself first and foremost, doing stuff to hopefully generate income should be down on the list of priorties. If it works for you, makes you happy, it will work for others.
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Post by indiehouse on May 14, 2021 19:34:32 GMT -6
30 hours a week recording/writing/playing?!? Dude. I'm so envious. I'm lucky to get 3. I'm not kidding. Well, I'm one of those people that sleeps like 6 hours max. So I'm able to get three or four hours of mixing/experimenting/re-patching/whatever from like 10pm to 2am most nights. And then I usually record and write on Saturdays like it's a work day unless I have a band in in which case I do all weekend. But the only way it works is that I can get off of day job work at 3pm and I'm all family from 3pm to 10pm pretty much every day. Working remote has been a game changer. Now what happens when I start playing shows again? Who knows... maybe I won't. Or at least not much. Being at home is way more fun! I am wiped by then, the kids have literally just went down and I have no creative energy left. . Let me ask you, what would you do if you didn’t have the 10-2? Would you be happy?
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Post by indiehouse on May 14, 2021 19:46:52 GMT -6
Or Saturdays too, for that matter
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 15, 2021 1:39:31 GMT -6
Well, I'm one of those people that sleeps like 6 hours max. So I'm able to get three or four hours of mixing/experimenting/re-patching/whatever from like 10pm to 2am most nights. And then I usually record and write on Saturdays like it's a work day unless I have a band in in which case I do all weekend. But the only way it works is that I can get off of day job work at 3pm and I'm all family from 3pm to 10pm pretty much every day. Working remote has been a game changer. Now what happens when I start playing shows again? Who knows... maybe I won't. Or at least not much. Being at home is way more fun! I am wiped by then, the kids have literally just went down and I have no creative energy left. . Let me ask you, what would you do if you didn’t have the 10-2? Would you be happy? Hmm... that's an interesting question. I'm the sort of person that always has something going on. If I didn't have the 10-2 it would be something else. I'm not even really sure what that means to not have time like that, what would I do? Just stare at a wall? Literally as I type this I'm just wrapping up five or six ours of re-routing my patchbay and doing a bunch of organizing and efficiency type stuff. Before that we had a babysitter from 5pm to 9pm (which we do every Friday, you've go to do that) after which everyone but me is pretty much spent. Which is awesome because I can focus on creative projects and then still get to bed in time to get up in the morning with the kids. So I'm not totally sure what your question is driving at but I feel like it deserves an attempt at an answer. If I couldn't do this (and there have been many times when I couldn't) I would find something else. Writing, reading, building something, breaking something, learning something, re-learning something I learned at one time and then forgot... it never ends and why should it?
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 13, 2021 16:59:04 GMT -6
So I made good on my threat and dropped of the Gefell M92s.1 at gravesnumber9 ‘s yesterday. This is when I swung by this afternoon to pick it back up on my way back to DFW. It was fun as hell meeting a fellow RGO’r. Attachments:
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 13, 2021 17:27:38 GMT -6
I am wiped by then, the kids have literally just went down and I have no creative energy left. . Let me ask you, what would you do if you didn’t have the 10-2? Would you be happy? Hmm... that's an interesting question. I'm the sort of person that always has something going on. If I didn't have the 10-2 it would be something else. I'm not even really sure what that means to not have time like that, what would I do? Just stare at a wall? Literally as I type this I'm just wrapping up five or six ours of re-routing my patchbay and doing a bunch of organizing and efficiency type stuff. Before that we had a babysitter from 5pm to 9pm (which we do every Friday, you've go to do that) after which everyone but me is pretty much spent. Which is awesome because I can focus on creative projects and then still get to bed in time to get up in the morning with the kids. So I'm not totally sure what your question is driving at but I feel like it deserves an attempt at an answer. If I couldn't do this (and there have been many times when I couldn't) I would find something else. Writing, reading, building something, breaking something, learning something, re-learning something I learned at one time and then forgot... it never ends and why should it? man you sound exactly like me. I find that I need to create, and it doesn’t have to be music. And I equally always have to be learning something new. I just can’t sit still. I’ve actually come to think that my love of recording/producing/mixing etc is really just a symptom of me loving to 1) learn new stuff and 2) build stuff.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 13, 2021 17:29:12 GMT -6
So I made good on my threat and dropped of the Gefell M92s.1 at gravesnumber9 ‘s yesterday. This is when I swung by this afternoon to pick it back up on my way back to DFW. It was fun as hell meeting a fellow RGO’r. Very fun indeed. Thanks for coming by Greg! And that microphone is beautiful. I tracked an acoustic lead part with it last night which I'll post when the mix is done. But mainly, was great shooting the breeze with a fellow RGO-er.
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Post by standup on Jun 13, 2021 19:00:47 GMT -6
Interesting conversation. I hope to be sometime in the position the OP is in. I track other folks just a couple times a year.
I have decent basement studio, can track a whole band at once.
But with the last year, nothing.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 23, 2021 17:25:46 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 23, 2021 20:15:34 GMT -6
Sounds really good, great character on the vocal.
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