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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 13, 2020 16:51:26 GMT -6
And you can use the faders to push into them.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 14, 2020 12:12:18 GMT -6
Guess I can dust off the mac pro and try Luna when the Apollo arrives.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 14, 2020 12:29:35 GMT -6
I don’t think I have to have API summing...and I’m kind of on the fence with the 2254.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2020 12:36:53 GMT -6
Could always pick up API eventually when it goes on sale ?
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 14, 2020 12:50:00 GMT -6
I don’t think I have to have API summing...and I’m kind of on the fence with the 2254. It'll be worth it as a flavor on deck at some price point on sale.
For the 2254, honestly the Plugin Alliance one is pretty killer. A 2254 seems like kind of a more special situation piece to me anyway.
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Post by mikec on Nov 14, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -6
I think I am going to have to drop the money on the API summing. It just does something to the drums and guitars that I really like. In the mix I am working on both would work great with the Neve seeming a little creamier and the API a little punchier.
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Post by phantom on Nov 14, 2020 16:24:22 GMT -6
I would love to hear the same mix with and without the summing plugin, if that's possible.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 2, 2021 19:21:52 GMT -6
Just spent about an hour with 33609, 2254 and API Summing. Damn. I dragged in files from the PTs session I just tracked. Created busses for Drums, Bass, AG, EG and Keys...put API Summing on each...started with the drums...I usually replace to get the kick thumping and supplement the snare...didn’t bother for this, but more on that later. Initially just solo’d you can hear the API maybe tighten the bottom and accentuate it as you crank the headroom knob. You also have the option of pushing the faders into the “summing”...that’s really where it performs like the real thing. Giving you more headroom and adding body and punch. All the differences between the Neve and API hold true IMO here. The Neve seems to be softer and have a bigger bottom...Of course the LoQ Neve option is killer to get harmonic distortion... but n the API, I would call it more “crunch.” Anyway, the API is airy-er and seems like it’s more punchy farther up the low end spectrum. I find the API more subtle, but after going back and forth on this particular tune, I preferred it over the Neve...and missed both when they were gone (and yes, I volume matched)...and it’s definitely a cumulative thing. But then adding in the 2254 on drum bus after that just brings the punch out like a MFer. I usually use the SSL on drumbus, but if that thing is smack, this thing brings roundness and punch with control...I will use the Zener or 176 in parallel if I need to mix in some whoosh and distortion, but the 2254 adds some of that if you need it. The 33609 with the Mix and SC hpf is just killer too. I’ve been using the Vari-Mu in M/S on the 2 Bus for a while now - I liked having the ability to use it for slight control and to create width...but I always felt like it was on the bright side. Dropped the 33609 in the VM spot, selected the first Jeff Balding preset...alowed the attack down a little and adjusted the threshold and its even more control and adding just a little more of that Neve punch while pulling out that room sound a bit and making it sound more alive. Now - I can still see places where I would need the VM and SSL and Zener and 176...but that’s the problem...they all do different things extremely well. So...I could see dropping some money. But to me, these are the “better-izers.” Oh - I also dropped the ATR 102 on the master...and even more glue and punchiness...Can you do all of these things in PT or Logic? Yeah (with other summing plugs)...but it’s the workflow and setup of Luna that just makes sense to me. I guess Cubase and Mixbus are setup like this on the mix page - like a real console - but for some reason Luna has made it more intuitive to me...I don’t know if it really would have occurred to me to try the ATR if I had been in PTs...but there’s the “tape” slot. I tried it and damn if it didn’t bring an positive audible difference to the table. It’s also all the gain staging ability - push the drum faders into the bus, into the the Summing with a headroom knob to adjust headroom then output into compressors with headroom and mix knobs then finally the Bus faders into either another bus or 2 Bus to repeat the process. Endless sonic possibilities. I like it. Are you a believer in Luna? Sounds like it. I noticed after using Luna being on Studio One Professional for years after leaving ProTools when shit got crazy. Now I'm waiting for things to get compatible for upgrading to make sense, and I just might be convinced. Still hesitant. I am getting ready to fire up Luna right now, I have to see what I actually have unlocked at the moment with the last extension I bought. I bought the Analog Essentials bundle, now does that include the Studer and ATR as extensions? Or do I have to buy the API extensions as well? I haven't used Luna in a few months because I haven't updated my computer. I'm waiting for everything to just work, just waiting...
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 2, 2021 20:14:55 GMT -6
Just spent about an hour with 33609, 2254 and API Summing. Damn. I dragged in files from the PTs session I just tracked. Created busses for Drums, Bass, AG, EG and Keys...put API Summing on each...started with the drums...I usually replace to get the kick thumping and supplement the snare...didn’t bother for this, but more on that later. Initially just solo’d you can hear the API maybe tighten the bottom and accentuate it as you crank the headroom knob. You also have the option of pushing the faders into the “summing”...that’s really where it performs like the real thing. Giving you more headroom and adding body and punch. All the differences between the Neve and API hold true IMO here. The Neve seems to be softer and have a bigger bottom...Of course the LoQ Neve option is killer to get harmonic distortion... but n the API, I would call it more “crunch.” Anyway, the API is airy-er and seems like it’s more punchy farther up the low end spectrum. I find the API more subtle, but after going back and forth on this particular tune, I preferred it over the Neve...and missed both when they were gone (and yes, I volume matched)...and it’s definitely a cumulative thing. But then adding in the 2254 on drum bus after that just brings the punch out like a MFer. I usually use the SSL on drumbus, but if that thing is smack, this thing brings roundness and punch with control...I will use the Zener or 176 in parallel if I need to mix in some whoosh and distortion, but the 2254 adds some of that if you need it. The 33609 with the Mix and SC hpf is just killer too. I’ve been using the Vari-Mu in M/S on the 2 Bus for a while now - I liked having the ability to use it for slight control and to create width...but I always felt like it was on the bright side. Dropped the 33609 in the VM spot, selected the first Jeff Balding preset...alowed the attack down a little and adjusted the threshold and its even more control and adding just a little more of that Neve punch while pulling out that room sound a bit and making it sound more alive. Now - I can still see places where I would need the VM and SSL and Zener and 176...but that’s the problem...they all do different things extremely well. So...I could see dropping some money. But to me, these are the “better-izers.” Oh - I also dropped the ATR 102 on the master...and even more glue and punchiness...Can you do all of these things in PT or Logic? Yeah (with other summing plugs)...but it’s the workflow and setup of Luna that just makes sense to me. I guess Cubase and Mixbus are setup like this on the mix page - like a real console - but for some reason Luna has made it more intuitive to me...I don’t know if it really would have occurred to me to try the ATR if I had been in PTs...but there’s the “tape” slot. I tried it and damn if it didn’t bring an positive audible difference to the table. It’s also all the gain staging ability - push the drum faders into the bus, into the the Summing with a headroom knob to adjust headroom then output into compressors with headroom and mix knobs then finally the Bus faders into either another bus or 2 Bus to repeat the process. Endless sonic possibilities. I like it. Are you a believer in Luna? Sounds like it. I noticed after using Luna being on Studio One Professional for years after leaving ProTools when shit got crazy. Now I'm waiting for things to get compatible for upgrading to make sense, and I just might be convinced. Still hesitant. I am getting ready to fire up Luna right now, I have to see what I actually have unlocked at the moment with the last extension I bought. I bought the Analog Essentials bundle, now does that include the Studer and ATR as extensions? Or do I have to buy the API extensions as well? I haven't used Luna in a few months because I haven't updated my computer. I'm waiting for everything to just work, just waiting... Are you a believer in Studio One? Curious about your experiences there. I picked up a Faderport 16 and the pairing with Studio One is so good that I feel like I have to at least give it a fair try for mixing. But, on the other hand, I already know Logic in and out and I hate the idea of wasting brain cycles on something like this. Like you I really want Luna to be something that it doesn't yet seem to be.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -6
Just spent about an hour with 33609, 2254 and API Summing. Damn. I dragged in files from the PTs session I just tracked. Created busses for Drums, Bass, AG, EG and Keys...put API Summing on each...started with the drums...I usually replace to get the kick thumping and supplement the snare...didn’t bother for this, but more on that later. Initially just solo’d you can hear the API maybe tighten the bottom and accentuate it as you crank the headroom knob. You also have the option of pushing the faders into the “summing”...that’s really where it performs like the real thing. Giving you more headroom and adding body and punch. All the differences between the Neve and API hold true IMO here. The Neve seems to be softer and have a bigger bottom...Of course the LoQ Neve option is killer to get harmonic distortion... but n the API, I would call it more “crunch.” Anyway, the API is airy-er and seems like it’s more punchy farther up the low end spectrum. I find the API more subtle, but after going back and forth on this particular tune, I preferred it over the Neve...and missed both when they were gone (and yes, I volume matched)...and it’s definitely a cumulative thing. But then adding in the 2254 on drum bus after that just brings the punch out like a MFer. I usually use the SSL on drumbus, but if that thing is smack, this thing brings roundness and punch with control...I will use the Zener or 176 in parallel if I need to mix in some whoosh and distortion, but the 2254 adds some of that if you need it. The 33609 with the Mix and SC hpf is just killer too. I’ve been using the Vari-Mu in M/S on the 2 Bus for a while now - I liked having the ability to use it for slight control and to create width...but I always felt like it was on the bright side. Dropped the 33609 in the VM spot, selected the first Jeff Balding preset...alowed the attack down a little and adjusted the threshold and its even more control and adding just a little more of that Neve punch while pulling out that room sound a bit and making it sound more alive. Now - I can still see places where I would need the VM and SSL and Zener and 176...but that’s the problem...they all do different things extremely well. So...I could see dropping some money. But to me, these are the “better-izers.” Oh - I also dropped the ATR 102 on the master...and even more glue and punchiness...Can you do all of these things in PT or Logic? Yeah (with other summing plugs)...but it’s the workflow and setup of Luna that just makes sense to me. I guess Cubase and Mixbus are setup like this on the mix page - like a real console - but for some reason Luna has made it more intuitive to me...I don’t know if it really would have occurred to me to try the ATR if I had been in PTs...but there’s the “tape” slot. I tried it and damn if it didn’t bring an positive audible difference to the table. It’s also all the gain staging ability - push the drum faders into the bus, into the the Summing with a headroom knob to adjust headroom then output into compressors with headroom and mix knobs then finally the Bus faders into either another bus or 2 Bus to repeat the process. Endless sonic possibilities. I like it. Are you a believer in Luna? Sounds like it. I noticed after using Luna being on Studio One Professional for years after leaving ProTools when shit got crazy. Now I'm waiting for things to get compatible for upgrading to make sense, and I just might be convinced. Still hesitant. I am getting ready to fire up Luna right now, I have to see what I actually have unlocked at the moment with the last extension I bought. I bought the Analog Essentials bundle, now does that include the Studer and ATR as extensions? Or do I have to buy the API extensions as well? I haven't used Luna in a few months because I haven't updated my computer. I'm waiting for everything to just work, just waiting... Holy shit. I sound like a huge fanboi there. I still dig Luna a lot, but I ultimately passed on the API summing. I hear a difference with the Neve summing - not enough for the money with the API. I’ve actually adopted putting the ATR on the master - because of using Luna. Ultimately decided the 33609 covered enough of the 2254 ground - but I’m still tempted to buy it. The weird thing is - I think the ease and intuitiveness of using Luna has made me mix better in Pro Tools. Luna led me to try things - for whatever reason I hadn’t tried when mixing in PTs. I’m still mixing in Luna as well, but still waiting on it to mature a little more.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 2, 2021 21:27:13 GMT -6
Are you a believer in Luna? Sounds like it. I noticed after using Luna being on Studio One Professional for years after leaving ProTools when shit got crazy. Now I'm waiting for things to get compatible for upgrading to make sense, and I just might be convinced. Still hesitant. I am getting ready to fire up Luna right now, I have to see what I actually have unlocked at the moment with the last extension I bought. I bought the Analog Essentials bundle, now does that include the Studer and ATR as extensions? Or do I have to buy the API extensions as well? I haven't used Luna in a few months because I haven't updated my computer. I'm waiting for everything to just work, just waiting... Are you a believer in Studio One? Curious about your experiences there. I picked up a Faderport 16 and the pairing with Studio One is so good that I feel like I have to at least give it a fair try for mixing. But, on the other hand, I already know Logic in and out and I hate the idea of wasting brain cycles on something like this. Like you I really want Luna to be something that it doesn't yet seem to be. I really like Studio One, when I first got it I noticed right away it seemed quick and effortless, while Protools seemed glitchy and slow, with less options and using too many resources. I liked the ping option for inserting outboard as well. I liked the plugs better that came with Studio One. I haven't yet upgraded to SO5, still on 4. I really like Luna, but yeah, just too many things right now with the computer transition and upgrade. My old 2012 Mac mini I7 just isn't enough juice for Luna to be quick and effortless like Studio One. Yet another computer upgrade, but I did notice a sonic difference when I took my tracks out of Studio One and ran the same mix in Luna. I did notice the change when experimenting with the extensions and like John said, there is a summing thing going online an analog console. It's crazy to think that that can be emulated in a digital DAW environment. Pushing the signal to achieve a change in sonics within the DAW environment. I did hear something that I liked, and haven't had enough time in Luna to find that sweet spot, but less work to get there with the extensions and tape emulations. I noticed exactly what John was talking about, and that's why I had to respond.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2021 21:41:24 GMT -6
Yeah. That’s the biggest thing I notice in Luna. Less steps to achieve what takes more steps in other daws to achieve.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 2, 2021 21:53:26 GMT -6
Are you a believer in Studio One? Curious about your experiences there. I picked up a Faderport 16 and the pairing with Studio One is so good that I feel like I have to at least give it a fair try for mixing. But, on the other hand, I already know Logic in and out and I hate the idea of wasting brain cycles on something like this. Like you I really want Luna to be something that it doesn't yet seem to be. I really like Studio One, when I first got it I noticed right away it seemed quick and effortless, while Protools seemed glitchy and slow, with less options and using too many resources. I liked the ping option for inserting outboard as well. I liked the plugs better that came with Studio One. I haven't yet upgraded to SO5, still on 4. I really like Luna, but yeah, just too many things right now with the computer transition and upgrade. My old 2012 Mac mini I7 just isn't enough juice for Luna to be quick and effortless like Studio One. Yet another computer upgrade, but I did notice a sonic difference when I took my tracks out of Studio One and ran the same mix in Luna. I did notice the change when experimenting with the extensions and like John said, there is a summing thing going online an analog console. It's crazy to think that that can be emulated in a digital DAW environment. Pushing the signal to achieve a change in sonics within the DAW environment. I did hear something that I liked, and haven't had enough time in Luna to find that sweet spot, but less work to get there with the extensions and tape emulations. I noticed exactly what John was talking about, and that's why I had to respond. Doesn't Mix Engine FX (or whatever it's called) allow you to do something like this in S1? I seem to recall seeing somewhere that you can push into the simulated console with that plugin set and it should react like a real board. Or is more limited. Sorry to hijack the thread... I think this is at least somewhat related?
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 2, 2021 22:49:31 GMT -6
I really like Studio One, when I first got it I noticed right away it seemed quick and effortless, while Protools seemed glitchy and slow, with less options and using too many resources. I liked the ping option for inserting outboard as well. I liked the plugs better that came with Studio One. I haven't yet upgraded to SO5, still on 4. I really like Luna, but yeah, just too many things right now with the computer transition and upgrade. My old 2012 Mac mini I7 just isn't enough juice for Luna to be quick and effortless like Studio One. Yet another computer upgrade, but I did notice a sonic difference when I took my tracks out of Studio One and ran the same mix in Luna. I did notice the change when experimenting with the extensions and like John said, there is a summing thing going online an analog console. It's crazy to think that that can be emulated in a digital DAW environment. Pushing the signal to achieve a change in sonics within the DAW environment. I did hear something that I liked, and haven't had enough time in Luna to find that sweet spot, but less work to get there with the extensions and tape emulations. I noticed exactly what John was talking about, and that's why I had to respond. Doesn't Mix Engine FX (or whatever it's called) allow you to do something like this in S1? I seem to recall seeing somewhere that you can push into the simulated console with that plugin set and it should react like a real board. Or is more limited. Sorry to hijack the thread... I think this is at least somewhat related? You know I'm not really sure about that in S1, maybe that's a newer version than what I have. It just works, and I'm really comfortable using S1. I had a faderport with the one fader and transport controls and it worked flawless. I do see myself moving to Luna once the time is right. I didn't get the API summing either, but I did notice a difference when I demoed it. Luna can definitely get you there quicker with less work though. I noticed that right away when I got the Neve summing. I just hope one day we are able to insert outboard, but there are features that I thought we would've had by now, like a bluetooth app on an iPad to control Luna. I just love being able to carry my iPad behind the drum kit and control Studio 1 while tracking.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 2, 2021 23:01:31 GMT -6
I haven't even looked at Luna yet. One DAW was hard enough, but summing interests me.
Can I use all my 3rd party and Logic plug-ins and still use Luna?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 3, 2021 2:49:57 GMT -6
There's really no in house plugs - it's all whatever UAD plugs you own.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 3, 2021 4:53:55 GMT -6
You can use non UA plug ins in Luna ? I haven’t tried any logic ones but so far all my other 3rd party plug ins work.
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Post by javamad on Mar 3, 2021 6:03:11 GMT -6
A few Apple AU units also appear on the list ... not sure why only a few or where it picks them up from.
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Post by mattbroiler on Mar 3, 2021 7:52:54 GMT -6
I'm not a mac/LUna user so correct me if this is wrong but I believe Luna works with AU plugins only however this does include non-uad plugins. when Luna makes it over to windows someday I'm sure I'll give it a try then but I'm already drowning in good plugin and daw choices so the whole urgency thing is not there at all.
You should be able to use the AU version of BlueCat Patchwork to run Vst plugin formats within Luna. BC Patchwork also adds sidechain capability to hosted plugins in cakewalk, I'm not sure if this works the same in other DAWs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 3, 2021 8:40:26 GMT -6
Correct as far as I know, I haven’t seen anybody using blue cat yet, but theoretically that should work.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 3, 2021 10:46:27 GMT -6
I just love being able to carry my iPad behind the drum kit and control Studio 1 while tracking. One of many examples. I straight up can't use Luna for tracking until things like this happen for the same reason. I track myself playing drums and other instruments and I'm not going back to a world where I'm running to my desk and then doing Olympic hurdles to get back to the kit/piano/guitar whatever. I know that on the UAD forums the word is basically that Luna itself is too early in dev for it to make sense doing those types of things, and I guess I can kind of understand that. I think they really just need to support MCU protocol and then the various iPad apps will be pretty straightforward. Maybe Drew can comment.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2021 21:14:47 GMT -6
I just love being able to carry my iPad behind the drum kit and control Studio 1 while tracking. One of many examples. I straight up can't use Luna for tracking until things like this happen for the same reason. I track myself playing drums and other instruments and I'm not going back to a world where I'm running to my desk and then doing Olympic hurdles to get back to the kit/piano/guitar whatever. I know that on the UAD forums the word is basically that Luna itself is too early in dev for it to make sense doing those types of things, and I guess I can kind of understand that. I think they really just need to support MCU protocol and then the various iPad apps will be pretty straightforward. Maybe Drew can comment. A blue tooth keyboard can change your life.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 7, 2021 0:41:03 GMT -6
MCU will be a big step forward,, wonder if in time they’ll do a Luna remote, like logic’s ?
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 7, 2021 3:18:20 GMT -6
One of many examples. I straight up can't use Luna for tracking until things like this happen for the same reason. I track myself playing drums and other instruments and I'm not going back to a world where I'm running to my desk and then doing Olympic hurdles to get back to the kit/piano/guitar whatever. I know that on the UAD forums the word is basically that Luna itself is too early in dev for it to make sense doing those types of things, and I guess I can kind of understand that. I think they really just need to support MCU protocol and then the various iPad apps will be pretty straightforward. Maybe Drew can comment. A blue tooth keyboard can change your life. Yes, I was hoping for an IPad control, it’s nice being able to tweak the cue and do a quick mix with a tactile control, rather than using a keyboard.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 7, 2021 3:21:57 GMT -6
MCU will be a big step forward,, wonder if in time they’ll do a Luna remote, like logic’s ? I just want an IPad control. I would think they are developing a controller for Luna, but I still feel that’s a ways away. Hopefully, they don’t use more resources to develop more Guitar pedals....🙃
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