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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2020 12:41:38 GMT -6
I have now seen proof that the RE20 is "Made in USA". YAY, I was wrong! Whether all the parts are US, who knows?
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2020 13:54:28 GMT -6
I have now seen proof that the RE20 is "Made in USA". YAY, I was wrong! Whether all the parts are US, who knows? Johns not going to buy anything made in the last 10 years, everything has parts from China get use to it!
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2020 15:29:52 GMT -6
I have now seen proof that the RE20 is "Made in USA". YAY, I was wrong! Whether all the parts are US, who knows? Johns not going to buy anything made in the last 10 years, everything has parts from China get use to it! Actually, it turns out that the box sticker says "Made in USA out of FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC PARTS". So the question is "What parts are made where?"
I don't know. Does anybody know how to find out?
I have a few newer things, but in general I stay away from Chinese capsules/cartridges. The capsules of my TM1s are definitely "Made in USA".
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2020 6:12:26 GMT -6
"Made in USA out of FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC PARTS". This is normal, across the board, now. We've got some big microphone makers who are doing 'final assembly and inspection' only and stating their mics are 'Made in USA'. Some are importing condensers with the head-baskets in separate crates, and pushing them on and screwing in 4 screws and calling it "Assembled in USA". There are very few companies like Heiserman left.
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2020 10:34:41 GMT -6
So does the RE15/RE10 also have the foam inside that can potentially deteriorate?
What about the RE16 and 635?
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Post by superwack on Oct 1, 2020 10:38:39 GMT -6
The chinese parts are sooooo ridiculously cheap that manufacturers can toss out huge quantities and still make a profit (thus negating some of the poor QC). I don't recall who it was but one American boutique mic manufacturer said on GS that all of their parts were from the US except the brass bodies and that they could reject something like 40 out of 100 and it was still cheaper than buying US ones.
Years ago when John Stewart was still on "The Daily Show" he had the woman who owned the last marble factory in the US on to talk about this. Her company primarily makes the marbles used inside spray paint cans. She gave the example that a person could buy 1 ton of marbles delivered to you from China for less money than her cost for the electricity for her to make 1 ton of marbles. Pretty scary stuff that will never be reversed
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 1, 2020 18:40:52 GMT -6
So does the RE15/RE10 also have the foam inside that can potentially deteriorate? What about the RE16 and 635? Yes, they all have foam that eventually disintegrates as do older Shure dynamics. But it's easily rectified by taking off the headbasket and cutting a piece of foam to fit. (see pic.) Re the RE20, the foam is also in the body of the mic, hence the need to buy an actual foam replacement kit. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2020 20:28:01 GMT -6
So does the RE15/RE10 also have the foam inside that can potentially deteriorate? What about the RE16 and 635? Yes, they all have foam that eventually disintegrates as do older Shure dynamics. But it's easily rectified by taking off the headbasket and cutting a piece of foam to fit. (see pic.) Re the RE20, the foam is also in the body of the mic, hence the need to buy an actual foam replacement kit. View AttachmentGood info. I guess the foam is NOT in the body of the RE15/RE16 like it is in the RE20?
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 1, 2020 21:07:29 GMT -6
Yes, they all have foam that eventually disintegrates as do older Shure dynamics. But it's easily rectified by taking off the headbasket and cutting a piece of foam to fit. (see pic.) Re the RE20, the foam is also in the body of the mic, hence the need to buy an actual foam replacement kit. Good info. I guess the foam is NOT in the body of the RE15/RE16 like it is in the RE20? I believe there is foam in the body too, but I haven't taken apart any of my old EVs yet to investigate that. But replacing the top foam that crumbles around the capsule is pretty easy. If I understand things correctly, the RE20 foam actually plays a role in the structure of the inside of the mic which is why they rattle and break when the foam goes bad.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 1, 2020 21:46:50 GMT -6
^ correct. the foam in an RE-20 is also the shock mount. It's entirely surrounded and floating.
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2020 22:14:39 GMT -6
^ correct. the foam in an RE-20 is also the shock mount. It's entirely surrounded and floating. So... A) send in the RE20 to EV for refoaming B) the RE15/RE16 can be refoamed on your own, diy style
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 1, 2020 22:49:19 GMT -6
^ correct. the foam in an RE-20 is also the shock mount. It's entirely surrounded and floating. So... A) send in the RE20 to EV for refoaming B) the RE15/RE16 can be refoamed on your own, diy style I haven't done the procedure, but if you google RE20 foam there are plenty of ways to buy it along with online directions on how to replace the foam. I guess it depends if you like to tinker with things and how much EV charges to have it done!
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2020 22:54:48 GMT -6
So... A) send in the RE20 to EV for refoaming B) the RE15/RE16 can be refoamed on your own, diy style I haven't done the procedure, but if you google RE20 foam there are plenty of ways to buy it along with online directions on how to replace the foam. I guess it depends if you like to tinker with things and how much EV charges to have it done! It's not so much about how much I like to tinker with things (I do) versus not, but how much I can easily do on my own versus what needs to be done that is likely to be fucked up, by me.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 2, 2020 11:05:18 GMT -6
^ correct. the foam in an RE-20 is also the shock mount. It's entirely surrounded and floating. B) the RE15/RE16 can be refoamed on your own, diy style How do I know if I need to refoam my RE-16? I use one all the time, and have assumed its fine... Could it actually sound better and I don't realize it
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Post by Ward on Oct 2, 2020 11:17:31 GMT -6
B) the RE15/RE16 can be refoamed on your own, diy style How do I know if I need to refoam my RE-16? I use one all the time, and have assumed its fine... Could it actually sound better and I don't realize it Look up a video on how to remove the 'head basket' and then look at the foam as you do it. If it flakes or crumbles, you need to replace it.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2020 11:19:10 GMT -6
I loaned mine, age unknown, to a friend to check out against some other mics for radio VO work. I got it 14 years ago and it was almost a baby rattle then, so? Already 20 years old? Older? Re-foamed it.
Friend bought a new RE-20 after his tests, and then compared the two. He thought the old one sounded like radio of the past, and the new like current radio. More air and more bass extension in the new one, by a hair. He said he'd buy the next old one he encountered, no doubt.
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