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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 15:23:58 GMT -6
Are the new EV RE20s essentially the same as the older, more vintage RE20s, or has EV ever changed anything on these mics over the years? I haven't ever heard of any changes, but I figured it was worth asking.
I have an older one that is my go to kick mic, but I was thinking about picking up a (brand new) second one as a back up and/or for micing bass cabs.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2020 15:29:15 GMT -6
From what I was told there are some small changes made to make manufacturering easier, but no real changes that should effect the overall tone.
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Post by Ward on Sept 28, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -6
RE27
I dunno why they even kept making the 20. The 27 is THAT much better. It is an astonishingly great dynamic
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 15:50:40 GMT -6
RE27 I dunno why they even kept making the 20. The 27 is THAT much better. It is an astonishingly great dynamic What do you like about it better? I thought they were basically the same mic, but with added filters on the 27? I'm not sure I would need the extra filters.
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Post by Ward on Sept 28, 2020 15:55:21 GMT -6
It's more open sounding. It's brighter or you can switch that off, or you can make it duller. It has NO boomy proximity and you can further high pass it. It has condenser rivalling clarity and full-bodied-ness.
It is the best microphone EV have ever made. Mine is from 1991.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2020 16:07:53 GMT -6
It's more open sounding. It's brighter or you can switch that off, or you can make it duller. It has NO boomy proximity and you can further high pass it. It has condenser rivalling clarity and full-bodied-ness. It is the best microphone EV have ever made. Mine is from 1991. Agreed but in the world of radio the sound of the RE20 is sacred. I see talent jumping out of windows with out the classic RE20.
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 16:08:09 GMT -6
It's more open sounding. It's brighter or you can switch that off, or you can make it duller. It has NO boomy proximity and you can further high pass it. It has condenser rivalling clarity and full-bodied-ness. It is the best microphone EV have ever made. Mine is from 1991. Well the 20 similarly is variable D and lacking in proximity effect, which is one of my favorite things about all of the RE vari D mics. The 20 has a hi pass filter built in too. The 27 does have the extra two other filters that I see. So, with the low pass filter on the 27, will it sound exactly like a 20? I have to say, I really like the sound of the 20, as is, but I suppose I could see where the extra brightness, provided you could low pass it back down to be exactly like a 20, could be useful. I would assume it's the same capsule with just sightly different electronics compared to the 20, but maybe there's more to it?
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Post by Michael O. on Sept 28, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -6
If you ever have the opportunity, try to score an ev 668 or 667a. I got a few for peanuts back in the day, and they are by a country mile my favorite dynamic mics in general. They’re the proto-re20 (same capsule, essentially), and were designed for film dialogue (imagine dangling one of those big boys out there on a boom pole. Smaller and lighter than a 77 or 44, I guess). They are some of my absolute favorite kick drum and bass amp mics, and are absolutely stellar on the right (or wrong, they’re particularly forgiving) voice.
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 16:46:20 GMT -6
If you ever have the opportunity, try to score an ev 668 or 667a. I got a few for peanuts back in the day, and they are by a country mile my favorite dynamic mics in general. They’re the proto-re20 (same capsule, essentially), and were designed for film dialogue (imagine dangling one of those big boys out there on a boom pole. Smaller and lighter than a 77 or 44, I guess). They are some of my absolute favorite kick drum and bass amp mics, and are absolutely stellar on the right (or wrong, they’re particularly forgiving) voice. I'll have to check those out. Are they vari D? I have a RE15 x 2, RE10, RE20, 635a, and 665. I like them all.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2020 16:48:59 GMT -6
It's more open sounding. It's brighter or you can switch that off, or you can make it duller. It has NO boomy proximity and you can further high pass it. It has condenser rivalling clarity and full-bodied-ness. It is the best microphone EV have ever made. Mine is from 1991. Well the 20 similarly is variable D and lacking in proximity effect, which is one of my favorite things about all of the RE vari D mics. The 20 has a hi pass filter built in too. The 27 does have the extra two other filters that I see. So, with the low pass filter on the 27, will it sound exactly like a 20? I have to say, I really like the sound of the 20, as is, but I suppose I could see where the extra brightness, provided you could low pass it back down to be exactly like a 20, could be useful. I would assume it's the same capsule with just sightly different electronics compared to the 20, but maybe there's more to it? I think the 27 is also a N/D magnet motor so it’s a bit hotter output as well
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Post by Michael O. on Sept 28, 2020 17:02:29 GMT -6
If you ever have the opportunity, try to score an ev 668 or 667a. I got a few for peanuts back in the day, and they are by a country mile my favorite dynamic mics in general. They’re the proto-re20 (same capsule, essentially), and were designed for film dialogue (imagine dangling one of those big boys out there on a boom pole. Smaller and lighter than a 77 or 44, I guess). They are some of my absolute favorite kick drum and bass amp mics, and are absolutely stellar on the right (or wrong, they’re particularly forgiving) voice. I'll have to check those out. Are they vari D? I have a RE15 x 2, RE10, RE20, 635a, and 665. I like them all. They are; they’re essentially a slightly better milled re20 body with silk where the metal variable-d grill-slits are on a 20. You basically just posted a shortlist of my favorite American dynamic mics, so I’d say if you dig those you’ll love the 668/667a. If you want the re20 style sound but with proximity effect (if that’s why you ask if it’s vari d) then the re38 is worth seeking out. Absurdly rare (I don’t think they were manufactured for long), and very high quality all around, but for some reason I like mine less now than when I first got it. Maybe that means it’s time to whip that thing out and experiment
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 17:10:49 GMT -6
I'll have to check those out. Are they vari D? I have a RE15 x 2, RE10, RE20, 635a, and 665. I like them all. They are; they’re essentially a slightly better milled re20 body with silk where the metal variable-d grill-slits are on a 20. You basically just posted a shortlist of my favorite American dynamic mics, so I’d say if you dig those you’ll love the 668/667a. If you want the re20 style sound but with proximity effect (if that’s why you ask if it’s vari d) then the re38 is worth seeking out. Absurdly rare (I don’t think they were manufactured for long), and very high quality all around, but for some reason I like mine less now than when I first got it. Maybe that means it’s time to whip that thing out and experiment I like the vari D specifically because there is no proximity effect. It makes placement so much easier and then, if you need more bass, that's what an eq is for. Also, I like vari D because the off axis response is so nice. I love the EV vari D mics on drums. I just looked up the asking price for the 667/668. Oof... I won't be buying one of those anytime soon.
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 17:11:58 GMT -6
Well the 20 similarly is variable D and lacking in proximity effect, which is one of my favorite things about all of the RE vari D mics. The 20 has a hi pass filter built in too. The 27 does have the extra two other filters that I see. So, with the low pass filter on the 27, will it sound exactly like a 20? I have to say, I really like the sound of the 20, as is, but I suppose I could see where the extra brightness, provided you could low pass it back down to be exactly like a 20, could be useful. I would assume it's the same capsule with just sightly different electronics compared to the 20, but maybe there's more to it? I think the 27 is also a N/D magnet motor so it’s a bit hotter output as well Yeah, I guess I forgot about that part. Though, for micing kick and bass amps, the RE20 has never not been already hot enough.
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 17:13:20 GMT -6
From what I was told there are some small changes made to make manufacturering easier, but no real changes that should effect the overall tone. Good to know. I meant to respond to this earlier.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 28, 2020 20:04:04 GMT -6
I’ve got a pair of RE-38’s that live on toms. I haven’t done a shootout with my RE-20, but seems very different. I also can’t imagine setting their EQ anything but flat, they don’t need less bass or more treble. Also have pairs of 666’s, RE-16’s, 635A’s, 642 shotguns, an RE-10, a 654. All good for something.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 28, 2020 20:34:15 GMT -6
Are the new EV RE20s essentially the same as the older, more vintage RE20s, or has EV ever changed anything on these mics over the years? I haven't ever heard of any changes, but I figured it was worth asking. I have an older one that is my go to kick mic, but I was thinking about picking up a (brand new) second one as a back up and/or for micing bass cabs. Isn't EV having all their mics made in China now? I know a lot are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:53:34 GMT -6
The foam inside deteriorates after a while and then they don't work properly, so I would get a newer one if I were you.
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Post by dreamsambas on Sept 29, 2020 12:04:46 GMT -6
I had a newer RE20. Got an older RE20, and I like it much better. More relaxed, warmer sound. The new one sounded somewhat bit plastick-y. Never sat quite right in the mix.
Not sure if it's due to manufacturing changes or just plain aging. I do love EV mics though. Own that RE20 plus two RE15's, an EV666, a 665, and a few 635a's.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 29, 2020 12:13:47 GMT -6
Maybe I missed it, but has anyone mentioned the RE320? I have one and love it, like a RE20 but with some switchable EQ shaping for kick/voice.
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Post by Quint on Sept 29, 2020 12:46:23 GMT -6
The foam inside deteriorates after a while and then they don't work properly, so I would get a newer one if I were you. Yeah, but couldn't you just simply take the headbasket off, get rid of the deteriorated foam, and then put the headbasket back on?
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Post by notneeson on Sept 29, 2020 12:54:11 GMT -6
The foam inside deteriorates after a while and then they don't work properly, so I would get a newer one if I were you. Yeah, but couldn't you just simply take the headbasket off, get rid of the deteriorated foam, and then put the headbasket back on? I have a replacement kit for mine sitting on my desk. Need to get to that. In the interim, the mic is usable, I mean it’s better on my voice that my 421 (Which are great on some folks, IMHO). But, the capsule is not properly centered in the housing without the foam and you can hear/feel it move around slightly when putting it on a stand.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 29, 2020 12:54:51 GMT -6
The foam inside deteriorates after a while and then they don't work properly, so I would get a newer one if I were you. Yeah, but couldn't you just simply take the headbasket off, get rid of the deteriorated foam, and then put the headbasket back on? Well, yes, but you should replace it, of course. I would go for an older one.... Did, actually. Twice.
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Post by Quint on Sept 29, 2020 13:26:21 GMT -6
Yeah, but couldn't you just simply take the headbasket off, get rid of the deteriorated foam, and then put the headbasket back on? I have a replacement kit for mine sitting on my desk. Need to get to that. In the interim, the mic is usable, I mean it’s better on my voice that my 421 (Which are great on some folks, IMHO). But, the capsule is not properly centered in the housing without the foam and you can hear/feel it move around slightly when putting it on a stand. I guess you can order replacement foam kits? I would assume so, since the RE20 Is still made. This also has me thinking about two things: 1. Does the RE15 mic have foam? 2. If so, where could you get a replacement kit?
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Post by Quint on Sept 29, 2020 13:26:44 GMT -6
Yeah, but couldn't you just simply take the headbasket off, get rid of the deteriorated foam, and then put the headbasket back on? Well, yes, but you should replace it, of course. I would go for an older one.... Did, actually. Twice. But how old is old enough?
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 29, 2020 13:35:52 GMT -6
Well, yes, but you should replace it, of course. I would go for an older one.... Did, actually. Twice. But how old is old enough? Very good question. When did they off-load production to China?
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