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Post by Quint on Sept 21, 2020 12:36:53 GMT -6
Old Antelope products tank in value too. Remember they were once Aardvark... And they become "old" very quickly. I've never seen an interface company come out with new products as quickly as Antelope. I don't mean that as a good thing....
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 21, 2020 12:57:39 GMT -6
I’ve never felt more disgusted to talk to a sales rep from a company, than when the multiple high pressure weasels from Antelope wanted me to buy this unit. Was that Marcel you talked to? He's their main sales rep (at least he was when I was doing promo's with their company as gear pimp), total scummy used car salesman.
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Post by mcirish on Sept 21, 2020 13:29:05 GMT -6
I was looking at the Orion before I bought a Lynx Aurora. No regrets. The support and drivers from Lynx are great.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 21, 2020 14:11:24 GMT -6
If this holds true and we talk a commercial studio. The OP could invest more money into RME and go with the most stable drivers in the world. It facinates me the past 10 years that I run 25 I/Os with not a single problem except firmware or driver update. Always stable, always running. A true workhorse setup. I sometimes wonder why RME is not getting more reputation for it's soundness. Another top dog in "stability" is Metric Halo. Their new "3D" systems (upgrades too) are awesome. Y'know, I've never had any driver problems with Antelope. Maybe I'm lucky, but (and I've said this before) I strongly suspect that those who have driver problems are those too dumb (or egotistical) to actually read the installation instructions and FOLLOW THEM. Because if you don't, and don't connect to the internet before installing you're in for a world of hurt. You'll need to connect to Antelope's support and have them sort it out remotely, which could be a problem for those who never allow an internet connection to the DAW machine.
I'm normally one of those but was forewarned and ran a cable to the machine before starting installation. No problems, not one. And, as I understand it (never having had to deal with them) Antelope does not exactly have the world's best support team. IMO it's probably not the smartest way to design an installation setup, but I'm not going to argue with them, as if you follow the directions it works.
I don't know about their machines that run their own plugins though - I avoid that kind of stuff on principle. And my system is the vanilla one that doesn't do that anyway.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 21, 2020 14:16:51 GMT -6
I see no reason to buy an interface with preamps. The preamps (from anyone) are never as good as good outboards.
Metric Halo and RME have amazingly nice preamps. Not colored, buy still pristinely delicious. I guess. I have a (fairly large) console plus a few outboards. And I'm kinda opposed to single boxes that "do everything" - I don't need my converter going out of service if a preamp screws up, or vice-versa.
If I had a remote rig it might be different....
p.s. Metric Halo is (sadly) nonexistant to me - I'm not a Mac guy.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 21, 2020 14:26:01 GMT -6
Old Antelope products tank in value too. Remember they were once Aardvark... All digital hardware tanks in value, it's only a matter of degree. Looked at the price of old Digidesgn stuff recently?
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 21, 2020 14:53:49 GMT -6
Metric Halo and RME have amazingly nice preamps. Not colored, buy still pristinely delicious. I guess. I have a (fairly large) console plus a few outboards. And I'm kinda opposed to single boxes that "do everything" - I don't need my converter going out of service if a preamp screws up, or vice-versa.
If I had a remote rig it might be different....
p.s. Metric Halo is (sadly) nonexistant to me - I'm not a Mac guy.
Gotta say, I agree with this. I wish you could just buy more plain converters that sound exceptional without all the other stuff. I don' t need 12 preamps and DSP and it's own mixer and shit. I just want audio to go in and out. There are some units still like that but damn they are pricey. Which is odd. Why can't there be a killer multi channel converter without all the other crap on it.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 21, 2020 15:38:38 GMT -6
I guess. I have a (fairly large) console plus a few outboards. And I'm kinda opposed to single boxes that "do everything" - I don't need my converter going out of service if a preamp screws up, or vice-versa.
If I had a remote rig it might be different....
p.s. Metric Halo is (sadly) nonexistant to me - I'm not a Mac guy.
Gotta say, I agree with this. I wish you could just buy more plain converters that sound exceptional without all the other stuff. I don' t need 12 preamps and DSP and it's own mixer and shit. I just want audio to go in and out. There are some units still like that but damn they are pricey. Which is odd. Why can't there be a killer multi channel converter without all the other crap on it. I am not sure but is not exactly this what RME is doing with thier MADI connection?
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Post by progear on Sept 21, 2020 16:55:45 GMT -6
Being using antelope Orion studio synergy Core for 3 months now. The units really sounds great, But i have been getting audio glitch when using there AFX2DAW plugin to run there plugins as normal plugins. They have been helpful, login in remotely several times to help, they where unable to fix the problem. My system is brand new with only protools 2020.9 installed. They even sent me a new unit to try, but got the same results.. antelope recommended For me to buy an apple approved TB Cable (us$150) which i knew was a Waste of time and money, but i gave them the benefit of the doubt. Only answer i got from them was they think the issue is with the way PT is handling the plugins, which i think is BS, told me to try another DAW a program.. so i paid a premium price to be able to use there DSP to off load cpu usages to my imac.. but didn’t get what they are selling... so life will go on, but I’am not happy..
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Post by Guitar on Sept 21, 2020 17:07:28 GMT -6
I got burned by Aardvark Audio, when the support just "poof" like that.
Don't sleep on the Presonus Quantum 4848! If it does what you need.
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Post by ericn on Sept 21, 2020 18:06:36 GMT -6
Antelope is one of those companies that struggles with not understanding to support their products. Make no mistake interfaces are hard, your at the mercy of the DAW vendor Computer manufacturers and OS developers. All of this scares off most reasonable soles, but the folks at Antelope seam to think they are smarter. One approach to a small shop navigating all this is what Metric Halo does; a small number of products based around the same interface technology and one OS, taking a lot less resources to support their products. Antelope seams to gravitate to the opposite approach by constantly investing in developing new products, old customers be damned. You don’t build loyalty this way and everybody who might buy gets to hear about all your problems. This is why as an industry it would be so much easier if rather than be completely at the mercy of the computer world it would be so much easier if from top to bottom we would buy into industry standards like Dante & MADI.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 21, 2020 18:50:11 GMT -6
Gotta say, I agree with this. I wish you could just buy more plain converters that sound exceptional without all the other stuff. I don' t need 12 preamps and DSP and it's own mixer and shit. I just want audio to go in and out. There are some units still like that but damn they are pricey. Which is odd. Why can't there be a killer multi channel converter without all the other crap on it. I am not sure but is not exactly this what RME is doing with thier MADI connection? Assuming that you already have MADI on your system. And MADI is slow - it cuts your channels in half at 96, at a time when many people are going to 96k or even faster. I don't really see much reason to go above 96, but that still halves your number of channels.
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Post by ericn on Sept 21, 2020 20:23:21 GMT -6
I am not sure but is not exactly this what RME is doing with thier MADI connection? Assuming that you already have MADI on your system. And MADI is slow - it cuts your channels in half at 96, at a time when many people are going to 96k or even faster. I don't really see much reason to go above 96, but that still halves your number of channels. So you run multiple MADI lines, the fact is large scale MADI installations are running rock solid around the world!
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 22, 2020 2:05:25 GMT -6
Assuming that you already have MADI on your system. And MADI is slow - it cuts your channels in half at 96, at a time when many people are going to 96k or even faster. I don't really see much reason to go above 96, but that still halves your number of channels. So you run multiple MADI lines, the fact is large scale MADI installations are running rock solid around the world!
I had to smile about this answer. Anyway my new RME AD DA is coming today and it will be fun to set it up for more I/Os....
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 22, 2020 6:42:29 GMT -6
I’ve never felt more disgusted to talk to a sales rep from a company, than when the multiple high pressure weasels from Antelope wanted me to buy this unit. Was that Marcel you talked to? He's their main sales rep (at least he was when I was doing promo's with their company as gear pimp), total scummy used car salesman. Thankfully, it wasn’t. I have luckily avoided Marcel since the beginning. I had a few interactions with him, but I’m glad he never targeted me. It was their hired, greasy, aggressive, hit men with little to zero experience dealing with Pro dealers.. Once one was let go, another took his place to do the same.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 22, 2020 7:12:29 GMT -6
Was that Marcel you talked to? He's their main sales rep (at least he was when I was doing promo's with their company as gear pimp), total scummy used car salesman. Thankfully, it wasn’t. I have luckily avoided Marcel since the beginning. I had a few interactions with him, but I’m glad he never targeted me. It was their hired, greasy, aggressive, hit men with little to zero experience dealing with Pro dealers.. Once one was let go, another took his place to do the same. I'm glad you're out of the business so now we can hear fun behind the scenes stories. How's the new job?
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 22, 2020 8:00:54 GMT -6
Being using antelope Orion studio synergy Core for 3 months now. The units really sounds great, But i have been getting audio glitch when using there AFX2DAW plugin to run there plugins as normal plugins. They have been helpful, login in remotely several times to help, they where unable to fix the problem. My system is brand new with only protools 2020.9 installed. They even sent me a new unit to try, but got the same results.. antelope recommended For me to buy an apple approved TB Cable (us$150) which i knew was a Waste of time and money, but i gave them the benefit of the doubt. Only answer i got from them was they think the issue is with the way PT is handling the plugins, which i think is BS, told me to try another DAW a program.. so i paid a premium price to be able to use there DSP to off load cpu usages to my imac.. but didn’t get what they are selling... so life will go on, but I’am not happy.. As I said, I don't use interfaces that run plugins. I suggest that you dont either, except for UAD, who have been doing it for a long time and started out with hardware assisted plugins, not interfaces.
I have beefs with UAD but it isn't related to that.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 22, 2020 8:03:03 GMT -6
Being using antelope Orion studio synergy Core for 3 months now. The units really sounds great, But i have been getting audio glitch when using there AFX2DAW plugin to run there plugins as normal plugins. They have been helpful, login in remotely several times to help, they where unable to fix the problem. My system is brand new with only protools 2020.9 installed. They even sent me a new unit to try, but got the same results.. antelope recommended For me to buy an apple approved TB Cable (us$150) which i knew was a Waste of time and money, but i gave them the benefit of the doubt. Only answer i got from them was they think the issue is with the way PT is handling the plugins, which i think is BS, told me to try another DAW a program.. so i paid a premium price to be able to use there DSP to off load cpu usages to my imac.. but didn’t get what they are selling... so life will go on, but I’am not happy.. So don't use their damn plugins.
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 22, 2020 8:30:50 GMT -6
Thankfully, it wasn’t. I have luckily avoided Marcel since the beginning. I had a few interactions with him, but I’m glad he never targeted me. It was their hired, greasy, aggressive, hit men with little to zero experience dealing with Pro dealers.. Once one was let go, another took his place to do the same. I'm glad you're out of the business so now we can hear fun behind the scenes stories. How's the new job? Very well. I like having a regular job that allows me to earn a decent living wage. BTW, I’m not sure anything is different now, as I don’t think of myself as someone who held back from honesty, in the last 15 years of Pro Audio sales.
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Post by ericn on Sept 22, 2020 8:51:53 GMT -6
I'm glad you're out of the business so now we can hear fun behind the scenes stories. How's the new job? Very well. I like having a regular job that allows me to earn a decent living wage. BTW, I’m not sure anything is different now, as I don’t think of myself as someone who held back from honesty, in the last 15 years of Pro Audio sales. Reps for every good one there is one who should be selling used Yugos!
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 22, 2020 8:57:55 GMT -6
Very well. I like having a regular job that allows me to earn a decent living wage. BTW, I’m not sure anything is different now, as I don’t think of myself as someone who held back from honesty, in the last 15 years of Pro Audio sales. Reps for every good one there is one who should be selling used Yugos! This describes nearly the entire paddock of sheeple working for large corporate box houses...trying to sell ketchup popsicles to people wearing white gloves....
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Post by Ward on Sept 22, 2020 10:42:26 GMT -6
Reps for every good one there is one who should be selling used Yugos! This describes nearly the entire paddock of sheeple working for large corporate box houses...trying to sell ketchup popsicles to people wearing white gloves.... That's quite the image you have painted there! LOL
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 23, 2020 17:21:43 GMT -6
Reps for every good one there is one who should be selling used Yugos! And the odd Trabant.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 24, 2020 1:02:46 GMT -6
Very well. I like having a regular job that allows me to earn a decent living wage. BTW, I’m not sure anything is different now, as I don’t think of myself as someone who held back from honesty, in the last 15 years of Pro Audio sales. Reps for every good one there is one who should be selling used Yugos! We had a Roland rep who drove me freaking nuts. If you ever watched WKRP, he was jut like the Del, the guy who owned the stereo shop where they did a remote. 3 different people in the episode say "Del, speed kills." My hatred for Roland products didn't help the matter. When he was trying to push "Groove Boxes" and that VS shit he made the mistake of telling me "GC sells a ton of these every day." I told him to sell them to us (small central IL shop) for the same price GC gets. He said, "They buy at sheet price." I took a step closer, looked him square in the eye and said "Danny, don't fucking lie to me." That was the end of that line of pitching from him (at least to me). Him and the guy from KAMAN make me crazy.
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 24, 2020 7:20:02 GMT -6
I think that a lot of people that will tell you that they have had "good" experiences with Antelope products have been those that run their products into someone else's interface, via MADI, and simply use the Antelope as standalone converters. But I would NOT want to depend on using any Antelope product as an actual interface. The support and driver issues have been and continue to be a horror show. It's all there to read about on various forums and social media. If this holds true and we talk a commercial studio. The OP could invest more money into RME and go with the most stable drivers in the world. It facinates me the past 10 years that I run 25 I/Os with not a single problem except firmware or driver update. Always stable, always running. A true workhorse setup. I sometimes wonder why RME is not getting more reputation for it's soundness. That has been my experience with RME as well. I've been on the UFX+ for over three years (Windows 10). Never a single issue. I'm not using the onboard pres tho. -09
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