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Post by keymod on Jul 19, 2020 8:43:18 GMT -6
Right, hi pass filters and di
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 19, 2020 8:58:04 GMT -6
Let's see if this can happen. Audiomaintenance (AML) has the ez1073, and sells it assembled (without any enclosure) for £550 (vat excluded). Take 8-10 of those. It already has a output level potentiometer, but that can easily be replaced by a fader. They also have the ez1073-line line amp for 500 series. 2 of those for the summing and you're good to go. This cost £300 assembled each. What else do we need: a frame, and a 500 rack for the summing amps. The frame is the difficult part, but with some isep rails (what they used at neve themselves, the frontpanels which are readily available, and some sidepanels it can come a long way. €800 for the frontpanels at frank from frontpanels.de, for the other parts lets be very careful and say it's another 1000€/$/£. So: quick calculations: channels: 8x £550 = £4400 = €4800 summing: 2x £300 = £600 = €660 frame: €1800 500-rack: radial powerstrip for example: €420 faders: 8x €15 = €120 TOTAL: €7800 And: the modules are already soldered. It's also possible to solder them yourself than substract £1380 from the total price for the components. But to think that the assembled price is more than the neve 5422 which was linked here above... Auxes Meters Knobs Power supply Switches for matrixing Backpanel or bus bar to connect It adds up, unfortunately.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 9:06:37 GMT -6
Auxes Meters Knobs Power supply Switches for matrixing Backpanel or bus bar to connect It adds up, unfortunately. and R&D. It's one thing to make all these elements, it's a bit more of a black art to make them all work together properly. It's not like pouring milk on cereal. A console is a state of entropy. Getting that entropy to a state of detente is $$$$$ and time. Then, no console is exactly what ANYONE wants. A cobbled together lot of individual wish-list elements is what people who are dreaming want, and there's plenty of options out there to do that. I have a hard time seeing a path to happiness for both manufacturer and consumer on the console concept. It's mainly a cosmetic fetish.
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 19, 2020 9:30:56 GMT -6
I still don't think people want the extras a console brings. Aux's+ for what? You are most likely going to do that ITB and people no longer want to print with effects and eq because they can't undo. Summing? I can't see people wanting to sum 8 channels. Anyone spending this kind of money already has their monitoring sorted out.
Almost everyone I know with a mixer uses them as a front end on their generic tracks so the lust factor here is Neve pre's and that can be sorted cheaper.
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2020 9:35:51 GMT -6
I still don't think people want the extras a console brings. Aux's+ for what? You are most likely going to do that ITB and people no longer want to print with effects and eq because they can't undo. Summing? I can't see people wanting to sum 8 channels. Anyone spending this kind of money already has their monitoring sorted out. Almost everyone I know with a mixer uses them as a front end on their generic tracks so the lust factor here is Neve pre's and that can be sorted cheaper. This is the problem for anybody who builds a high end small console, just like a summing box everyone wants different features and isn’t going to pay fro the features they don’t want.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 19, 2020 10:30:14 GMT -6
I still don't think people want the extras a console brings. Aux's+ for what? You are most likely going to do that ITB and people no longer want to print with effects and eq because they can't undo. Summing? I can't see people wanting to sum 8 channels. Anyone spending this kind of money already has their monitoring sorted out. Almost everyone I know with a mixer uses them as a front end on their generic tracks so the lust factor here is Neve pre's and that can be sorted cheaper. I eq and compress all over the place while tracking. Also, I use my console auxes for headphone mixes and verb while tracking. That said, I mix all in the box and only use the console to track.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 11:05:11 GMT -6
I seriously keep thinking about finding a used monitor mixer for that one job. And i want another mixer that’s fader/pan/4 stereo auxes with pan.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 11:06:08 GMT -6
And another few utility summers for bus jobs.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 11:06:27 GMT -6
....and....
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Post by Guitar on Jul 19, 2020 11:30:54 GMT -6
I think the white whale some people are seeking is a used console that has been maintained, not destroyed. Something with some life left in it. But you could get that big savings. Like the first post, maybe.
You'd have to trust a seller though, I have been burned badly once on a big board. Or send it to someone who can bring it back to workability.
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2020 13:02:41 GMT -6
I seriously keep thinking about finding a used monitor mixer for that one job. And i want another mixer that’s fader/pan/4 stereo auxes with pan. Somebody wants an XL3 or a Gamble EX wedge board. Seriously though having more than once in a pinch mixed FOH and wedges on a monitor board, you can do bussing if you figure out where unity gain is on the pots.
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Post by wlinart on Jul 19, 2020 13:26:14 GMT -6
Auxes Meters Knobs Power supply Switches for matrixing Backpanel or bus bar to connect It adds up, unfortunately. and R&D. It's one thing to make all these elements, it's a bit more of a black art to make them all work together properly. It's not like pouring milk on cereal. A console is a state of entropy. Getting that entropy to a state of detente is $$$$$ and time. Then, no console is exactly what ANYONE wants. A cobbled together lot of individual wish-list elements is what people who are dreaming want, and there's plenty of options out there to do that. I have a hard time seeing a path to happiness for both manufacturer and consumer on the console concept. It's mainly a cosmetic fetish. All true, but to be fair, i looked at the description for the 5422 and worked from there. In the description was no mentioning of any aux, but apparantely it has a aux. So my calculation wasn't right. The psu was included (the ez1073 channels have on board psu, and the summing is powered by the 500 rack).
But on the other hand: i'm actually agreeing with everything you both say. It was cheaper to just buy the 5422 than to get a mixer by combining things that excist.
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Post by m03 on Jul 19, 2020 13:40:49 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules):
These Neve's were 1970s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 19, 2020 13:54:20 GMT -6
I still don't think people want the extras a console brings. Aux's+ for what? You are most likely going to do that ITB and people no longer want to print with effects and eq because they can't undo. Summing? I can't see people wanting to sum 8 channels. Anyone spending this kind of money already has their monitoring sorted out. Almost everyone I know with a mixer uses them as a front end on their generic tracks so the lust factor here is Neve pre's and that can be sorted cheaper. I eq and compress all over the place while tracking. Also, I use my console auxes for headphone mixes and verb while tracking. That said, I mix all in the box and only use the console to track. Well like you I am old school and know what I want when I record so I will print eq and compression but would you ONLY use the eq in THIS board? I wouldn't and the channel strips we've talked about have better eq and inserts. There is no compression in this board but there is in bigger boards out of this budget. Tracking live bands is easier with a board for monitoring I will agree but an 8 channel board with 1 aux?If you have a sound card with multiple outs already you are only missing headphone amps. I would need more than 8 channels just for drums and if I was tracking single instruments I'd choose my absolute best signal chain. Believe me, I love boards and have worked on them most of my life. Would I buy one today? Not very likely.
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2020 14:34:32 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules):
These Neve's were 1960s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
Broadcast remote work, so they probably spent as much time hooked up to a tape deck as anything.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 19, 2020 14:42:46 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules):
These Neve's were 1960s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
As far as I know BBC standard is very high. And this thing is sweet ... for god sake .... I know its also nostaglism but SWEET.......
8K OK .... on top 500 bucks shipping. Is it in CHINA???
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 14:56:29 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules):
These Neve's were 1960s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
No, look at it. Late 70's-early 80's. IC's. This is mainly the Neve name, not the sound people want to buy, no matter how good it may be. A 1960's board of this size would be north of $30K, easy.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 14:58:31 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules):
These Neve's were 1960s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
Broadcast remote work, so they probably spent as much time hooked up to a tape deck as anything. After a life this long, for it's starting date, a DAT recorder might be the longer part!
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Post by christopher on Jul 19, 2020 15:09:55 GMT -6
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Post by christopher on Jul 19, 2020 15:24:29 GMT -6
would you ONLY use the eq in THIS board?. That’s why boards are cheap. We don’t see a use for having multiple EQs that aren’t the very best, when we could have the very best. So really the board of today would need to be about feeling the faders, creating monitoring sends, outboard sends and bussing. We can buy low maintenance new outboard.. there’s silver bullets and plugin EQ to play with. For modern use I think a small to medium size board is still very nice for having FUN.. summing, blending and pushing outboard, feeling the push. Want to try some totally different approach? 30 seconds and you can do 30 moves and see what happens. ITB 15 minutes go by in a blink
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 15:28:17 GMT -6
Yeah. I know someone who had a VR, spent close to $40K on total recap and general refurb after using it awhile, then a few years later had trouble selling it for $25K.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 15:31:55 GMT -6
Plush has a NEVE 8816 Summing Mixer and 8804 fader panel for sale.
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Post by m03 on Jul 19, 2020 15:37:38 GMT -6
FWIW, here's one of it's bigger brothers, with a different channel configuration (34149 stereo unbalanced(?) line modules instead of the 34128 preamp modules): These Neve's were 1960s broadcast consoles, right? I have a feeling that they're maybe not the most amazing sounding units, but I have nothing to base that on but assumptions.
No, look at it. Late 70's-early 80's. IC's. This is mainly the Neve name, not the sound people want to buy, no matter how good it may be. A 1960's board of this size would be north of $30K, easy. Sorry, I meant 1970s here (edited accordingly). Obviously it would be newer than the 80-series based on appearance alone, but that's where my knowledge on the subject ends.
8K OK .... on top 500 bucks shipping. Is it in CHINA???
Australia, apparently.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 19, 2020 16:11:06 GMT -6
8K OK .... on top 500 bucks shipping. Is it in CHINA??? $500 sounds cheap from that location, esp with insurance of any kind. I probably couldn't get that to Canada for that price. It'd be close.
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Post by christopher on Jul 19, 2020 19:44:35 GMT -6
While on topic I looked this up.. 14 minutes, and lots of recent comments shows there’s a ton of interest in working this way. Not that it’s affordable, or easy to start with tracks this ready. Plus I’m sure he practiced the mix before filming. Still fun to watch someone who has their system down
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