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Post by mrholmes on Apr 27, 2020 15:13:19 GMT -6
I can't help myself since two years I love the combination of my 1073 and different dynamics. It started with a gift from my retailer an OEM Shure clone - telling me it would sound killer on strummed acoustics. He was right I often use this mic instead of the usual suspects.
Later I asked here on RGO about the SM7B and the advice was right I LOVE it.
I think I like the fact that all of them show clear differences at the 1073. Dark ones / bright ones / close to LDC ones / washed out sounding ones / mellow transient ones .....
To my ear I hear broader differences in dynamic mics compared to LDC or SDC.... To me they feel like a broader rougher stroke in the picture....
I like it a lot.
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Post by Ward on Apr 27, 2020 15:22:10 GMT -6
Sometimes a 441 or RE20/27 is a better vocal microphone than any U series mic. A telefunken M80 is a better snare mic than almost any condenser except a KM84. Sometimes an AKG D12e is a better outside kick mic than a Neumann U47 fet EV RE series small diaphragm microphones are better on banjo than most LDCs. Some guys prefer an SM7 on high hats... those guys are lunatics, but there it is.
There's 5 examples, I'm sure others will follow.
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Post by jamiesego on Apr 27, 2020 16:39:23 GMT -6
I just did an SM7b in hi hats yesterday 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 17:00:05 GMT -6
I use almost all dynamic mics and ribbons. The most frequent exception being OHs.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 27, 2020 20:16:27 GMT -6
Depends on the session. loud rock band, sure, acoustic music, probably not other than ribbons. Ribbons on both, everything.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 27, 2020 22:43:53 GMT -6
I put dynamics on most amps, BD, SD, toms (until a bout a year ago, but still sometimes) scratch vocals. I always hated hihat mic until I put a dynamic there, and now I'm annoyed if I didn't use one. M201 us my favorite hat mic. I've got a bunch of Beyer, AKG and EV dynamics.
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Post by ericn on Apr 28, 2020 9:11:53 GMT -6
I have never been one to make gear choices based on type, it’s always been about the sound a mic or anything else brings. So He’ll yeah I’ll grab a dynamic for just about anything if I feel it’s going to contribute to the tone I’m chasing. I’ll admit that having started out with few if any condensers in a world filled with EV variable D dynamics I was like a kid in a candy store when I found myself in studios filled with condensers. The thing was I realized how much those EV’s I ran from where one of the signature things behind the tone of many of my favorite recordings. I just had to spend more time embracing them and learning what they were capable of.
For the most part with a few exceptions old dynamics are cheap because they lack the sex appeal of the big boys. Take some risks, you can build one hell of a collection of dynamics and have quite the tonal pallet. Even he more expensive Dynamics (441, D19 and D12) are bargains compared to what the classic LDC’s or ribbons run.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 28, 2020 13:39:09 GMT -6
IMHO M88TG & M201 TG (+ booster), is a great "starter set" for the typical singer/songwriting/acoustic playn' home recorder... Using a basic Focusrite/Presonus/Audient USB sort of thang. Chris
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 28, 2020 14:07:27 GMT -6
IMHO M88TG & M201 TG (+ booster), is a great "starter set" for the typical singer/songwriting/acoustic playn' home recorder... Using a basic Focusrite/Presonus/Audient USB sort of thang. Chris
First time hear about this one seems to be loved by many AE live and studio.....
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Post by notneeson on Apr 28, 2020 14:08:23 GMT -6
IMHO M88TG & M201 TG (+ booster), is a great "starter set" for the typical singer/songwriting/acoustic playn' home recorder... Using a basic Focusrite/Presonus/Audient USB sort of thang. Chris Those are GREAT microphones.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 28, 2020 15:50:20 GMT -6
Love them. When through a phase where they were my best mics, better than my AT condensers. I had M88TG, PL20, MD441, SM7B.
For voice, it's very very tricky to get the right one for the right singer. But the SM7B seems to work more often than the others, so it's my choice for that.
MD441 is "good on everything." It really is, just stick it somewhere. Stick it you know where, LOL.
M88TG for me is my Low End microphone. I love it on kicks and bass amps. Really excels in those positions.
PL20, or RE20, was a little more specific. I do miss it. Fantastic bass cabinet sound, "OK" on vocals. Surprisingly good on acoustic guitar. MD441 wins the acoustic guitar shootout though. It's the best dynamic out of these for that, IMO.
I also have a huge pile of handheld 100 dollar dynamic mics, they are "fun." Lately it's the 545 SD that goes on my Marshall 4x12. The SM57 gets handheld vocal duties, for when I don't want to stand in front of the condenser mic I use.
old EV are useful on so many sources. They are "special." Sometimes they die of old age and it's sad, they have to be disposed.
SE V7 and V7X are sort of the new hotness, they "work on anything" sort of like an SM57 does, but with a subtle difference in tone. In practice, I don't use them all the time, just have so many. They are great on snare drum specifically.
EV CO4 is my "secret cheap mic" for toms and sometimes guitar sounds.
I almost always use a large dynamic on bass drum and floor tom. ND868, e906. Or the M88TG previously mentioned. Or the subkick I made. D112 always on floor toms. M88TG and MD441 are also brilliant on toms, but "expensive." I try not to worry too much about the toms. You can get nutty trying to arrange tom mics from the 1,000,000s of things out there.
So yeah, love them. Also love every other kind of microphone.
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Post by dreamsambas on Apr 28, 2020 16:21:04 GMT -6
I have owned just about every dynamic mic out there. Ehr- moving coil microphone.
The ones I kept are a pair of Sennheiser MD409's for guitar amps.
A beat up AKG d112 I like on kick.
Plus a handful of old ElectroVoice dynamics for general use.
Some of the more expensive options- MD441, SM7, M88, D224- I didn't find essential for my approach.
The one I REALLY want is an AKG D19c. Found one once but it was DOA. Anyone know how to find one in decent shape??
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Post by lpedrum on Apr 28, 2020 16:28:52 GMT -6
I’ve been on a real dynamic spree the past 6 months, slowed only by a loss of income due to the pandemic. Particularly I like the different shades of color you can get on snare or amps with various choices. It takes a bit longer to set up a session but if you have the time it’s creative and enlightening. Yesterday I was recording a clean electric guitar track and settled on an old EV DO54–gave me everything I wanted to hear and nothing that I didn’t. A big plus is that aside from a handful of pricy collectibles like the RE15 most can be had very cheaply if you hunt around.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 28, 2020 16:43:20 GMT -6
Really great guitar amp mics for under a hundred bucks: Shure 545SD, Shure SM59, EV RE18
most of these are quite a bit flatter and less nasal than the standard SM57. A more "realistic" sound. But may lack that heavy metal grind if that's what you need. There is no beating the SM57 for that. It's almost like what it was born for. Besides voice and snare drum also. At least those are my three standard SM57 positions. Not too surprising, not rocket science.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 28, 2020 16:59:45 GMT -6
I feel so bougie using mainly ribbons and condensers lately, after so many years of running a dynamic mic R&R studio. : )
Have said it so many times: I'd rather make a record with a dozen 635A's than a dozen SM57's.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 28, 2020 17:17:46 GMT -6
I'd like six of one and a half dozen of the other.
Seriously though 635A is a special microphone, I agree.
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Post by ericn on Apr 28, 2020 17:49:28 GMT -6
I feel so bougie using mainly ribbons and condensers lately, after so many years of running a dynamic mic R&R studio. : ) Have said it so many times: I'd rather make a record with a dozen 635A's than a dozen SM57's. If Shure hadn’t paid my rent so often I would agree with this, in fact I once asked my landlord if he could change my Apt # to SM57😎
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 28, 2020 18:26:38 GMT -6
Ok, you bastards just made me go on ebay and buy a 635a! Not sure if I should curse you all or thank you Been meaning to pick one up for a while and just snagged one for $67...so yeah...
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 28, 2020 18:49:10 GMT -6
IMHO M88TG & M201 TG (+ booster), is a great "starter set" for the typical singer/songwriting/acoustic playn' home recorder... Using a basic Focusrite/Presonus/Audient USB sort of thang. Chris I would not recommend a basic Focusrite to anybody for anything except possibly a paperwight. Not heavy enough for a doorstop. The mic pres suck (even on the new ones, but not nearly as much as the old ones), they use the lowest quality Chinese caps available - which leads to noise problems when they get leaky - and their circuit board quality and layout is on a par with very early Behringer. Actually the layout is probably worse - some of the early Behringers stole their layout directly from the original gear they were ripping off.
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Post by jamiesego on Apr 28, 2020 18:51:18 GMT -6
What's the consensus on the new Shure 545's? Do they still have the copper voice coils?
Also I'm pretty sure "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand was all dynamic mics. The drums were all 421's (including overheads) and the vocals were an SM58.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 28, 2020 19:28:11 GMT -6
IMHO M88TG & M201 TG (+ booster), is a great "starter set" for the typical singer/songwriting/acoustic playn' home recorder... Using a basic Focusrite/Presonus/Audient USB sort of thang. Chris I would not recommend a basic Focusrite to anybody for anything except possibly a paperwight. Not heavy enough for a doorstop. The mic pres suck (even on the new ones, but not nearly as much as the old ones), they use the lowest quality Chinese caps available - which leads to noise problems when they get leaky - and their circuit board quality and layout is on a par with very early Behringer. Actually the layout is probably worse - some of the early Behringers stole their layout directly from the original gear they were ripping off. I stand corrected then!... +- 3db! Chris
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Post by lpedrum on Apr 28, 2020 20:19:41 GMT -6
What's the consensus on the new Shure 545's? Do they still have the copper voice coils? Somebody may be able to answer that answer more specifically than I, as I only own an old one. I'm sure the new ones are fine, but you can still find old ones for cheap on eBay (unlike the Unidyne 57) if you're patient. A USA made 545 sold just this week for under $70.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 28, 2020 20:34:30 GMT -6
I don't have any old 545 SD. I tried to buy one but it was false advertisement.
Now I own two "Mexico" 545 SD. One with a black sticker around the headbasket, the other with a silver sticker.
They sound slightly different to one another. One has a little more bass, the other one a little more treble, or something like that. There's one that I prefer with a big muff pedal, the silver label one. Pretty subtle stuff though.
I'd still like to get an old one here eventually. I have a spot in my flight case for a few more.
I don't like either one for voice. The SM57 reigns supreme in that application.
Haven't tried them on snare drum yet.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 28, 2020 23:32:16 GMT -6
But may lack that heavy metal grind if that's what you need. There is no beating the SM57 for that. *Cough AGKd100e Cough.* Have said it so many times: I'd rather make a record with a dozen 635A's than a dozen SM57's. Right there with you! Ok, you bastards just made me go on ebay and buy a 635a! Not sure if I should curse you all or thank you Been meaning to pick one up for a while and just snagged one for $67...so yeah... You won't regret it. Even if you do, you'll get you $67 back if you decide to not use it. I could use a fourth...
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Post by ericn on Apr 29, 2020 7:46:23 GMT -6
But may lack that heavy metal grind if that's what you need. There is no beating the SM57 for that. *Cough AGKd100e Cough.* Have said it so many times: I'd rather make a record with a dozen 635A's than a dozen SM57's. Right there with you! Ok, you bastards just made me go on ebay and buy a 635a! Not sure if I should curse you all or thank you Been meaning to pick one up for a while and just snagged one for $67...so yeah... You won't regret it. Even if you do, you'll get you $67 back if you decide to not use it. I could use a fourth... Shhh we keep quiet about AKG D100/1000/1200 family, oh wait I have 5 of each you can shout about from the roof tops.
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