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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 10:14:15 GMT -6
It matters to me.... Since you guys won't be offering Luna to Windows users, and I have a high interest in using Luna, I "might" be willing to buy an old Mac (for $500 or less) to try Luna out, but there is no way in hell I'll be buying a new overpriced Mac when I just built a really high powered PC for $2,500 this last year. As I previously owned a 2012 Mac Mini (due to earlier lack of TB support on PC by UAD), and you mentioned a 2013 Mac Pro, that seemed like somewhat of an apples to apples comparison, and the only direct comparison I could attempt to make, as I've never owned any other Mac. So please just tell me what the specs on the 2013 Mac Pro were. Thanks. It doesn't matter in the sense that they weren't coming even remotely close to taxing it. IOW, those sessions would run an ANY Mac with Thunderbolt EASILY. I'm trying to help you save money. Seriously, can you not just answer my question?
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 10:18:32 GMT -6
Drew one more....Sorry this is pretty specific. Any idea of minimum OSX requirements? What OSX version were you running at NAMM? I'm still running 10.11 over here and intend to keep it that way for as long as I can. Don't quote me but I would think Mojave and Catalina.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 10:19:13 GMT -6
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but it occurs to me that with the UAD amp sim collection, Luna has potential to be sort of a kemper substitute. Playing guitar or bass direct into an Apollo and flipping through the amp plugins followed by Ocean Way? Hmmm. It’s always had that ability
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 10:19:30 GMT -6
It was a base model.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 10:19:58 GMT -6
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but it occurs to me that with the UAD amp sim collection, Luna has potential to be sort of a kemper substitute. Playing guitar or bass direct into an Apollo and flipping through the amp plugins followed by Ocean Way? Hmmm. It’s always had that ability Right, and now you can hit record.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jan 20, 2020 10:21:17 GMT -6
Guys, I'm going to ask that if you have questions about LUNA, please come over to the UAD forums.
Thanks!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -6
It doesn't matter in the sense that they weren't coming even remotely close to taxing it. IOW, those sessions would run an ANY Mac with Thunderbolt EASILY. I'm trying to help you save money. Seriously, can you not just answer my question? He’s trying to tell you that it’s not an issue. Can it run Logic, Cubase or Pro Tools? Then it can easily run Luna.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 10:23:14 GMT -6
How about UA buying a banner ad here? I try not to let this bother me, but here we have a 20 page thread of free promotion for a company that won’t spend $30 a month for 400k impressions. Of course, why would you do that when you can get it for free? All I ask is that you at least not direct people away from the board.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 10:25:02 GMT -6
Ya in the first fab demo, on real drums tracks I think they 3-4 mikes of real drums.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 10:30:18 GMT -6
@ quint, I am not running luna of course but I have a 2012 mbp 17, 2.3 cpu , 16 gig of ram and 2 internal ssd's never any cpu problems running sessions here 20-30 tracks and some vi ( drummer, SSD5 , keys and synths), mixture of OB, 3rd party plugs, no UA now.
I'd look for used i7 quad, if you can find a 2012 non retina, easy to upgrade ram and boot drive with OWC parts.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 10:36:09 GMT -6
Seriously, can you not just answer my question? He’s trying to tell you that it’s not an issue. Can it run Logic, Cubase or Pro Tools? Then it can easily run Luna. Right, but he also said to buy the most computer for the money. I would "maybe" consider buying another used 2012 Mini like the one I had, as you can get one with the same specs I had for around $500 these days. There is no way I'm springing for a new Mac though. So if there's a minimum recommended performance threshold to run Luna, and the 2012 Mini (or 2013 MBP) is below it, I won't bother.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 10:39:25 GMT -6
@ quint, I am not running luna of course but I have a 2012 mbp 17, 2.3 cpu , 16 gig of ram and 2 internal ssd's never any cpu problems running sessions here 20-30 tracks and some vi ( drummer, SSD5 , keys and synths), mixture of OB, 3rd party plugs, no UA now. I'd look for used i7 quad, if you can find a 2012 non retina, easy to upgrade ram and boot drive with OWC parts. Well I previously had a 2012 Quad Mini with 16gb ram and two 500gb SSDs. I was just trying to get a feel from Drew on where a machine like that stands these days for running something like Luna with the UA extensions. But it's like pulling teeth with UA sometimes.....
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 10:41:37 GMT -6
@ quint, I am not running luna of course but I have a 2012 mbp 17, 2.3 cpu , 16 gig of ram and 2 internal ssd's never any cpu problems running sessions here 20-30 tracks and some vi ( drummer, SSD5 , keys and synths), mixture of OB, 3rd party plugs, no UA now. I'd look for used i7 quad, if you can find a 2012 non retina, easy to upgrade ram and boot drive with OWC parts. Well I previously had a 2012 Quad Mini with 16gb ram and two 500gb SSDs. I was just trying to get a feel from Drew on where a machine like that stands these days for running something like Luna with the UA extensions. But it's like pulling teeth with UA sometimes..... That’s what I have and what I’ll run it with until I can’t anymore.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 10:42:55 GMT -6
No offence, I think he has said any base specced recent tbolt mbp should be fine: ?
I think just get the i7 not the i5, I know they went quad but for sure an i7 quad 2.3 cpu or faster should be info ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 10:45:12 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 10:57:43 GMT -6
Well I previously had a 2012 Quad Mini with 16gb ram and two 500gb SSDs. I was just trying to get a feel from Drew on where a machine like that stands these days for running something like Luna with the UA extensions. But it's like pulling teeth with UA sometimes..... That’s what I have and what I’ll run it with until I can’t anymore. Good to know.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 11:15:55 GMT -6
John, you gonna give Luna a try when it comes out?
It seems like the sort of thing I've been hoping that UA would do one day. It's very much in the vein of "get to work and let the software get out of the way".
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 11:23:08 GMT -6
If this is v1, makes you think how Luna will grow as they add features etc.,!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2020 11:32:13 GMT -6
John, you gonna give Luna a try when it comes out? It seems like the sort of thing I've been hoping that UA would do one day. It's very much in the vein of "get to work and let the software get out of the way". Definitely. I’m pretty far in with the UA footprint.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 11:36:19 GMT -6
If this is v1, makes you think how Luna will grow as they add features etc.,! Agreed. Although, other than hardware inserts, it already has most of what I would want, I think. I've never done a bunch of crazy editing or anything like that, and I don't generally do 100+ track count stuff either. I'm much more old school and tend to use the DAW like a tape machine. But the workflow improvements of Luna over Console seem pretty great. The fact that the DSP during tracking makes it pretty stable, coupled with playback actually sounding like it did when it was being tracked, is pretty great. Prior to Luna, you would either have to commit the plugins during tracking or instantiate a second copy in your DAW. It really does seem to have a HDX sort of workflow without the high price tag and general Avid BS. Hopefully Windows compatibility will come soon enough.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 11:47:44 GMT -6
Agreed, sorry windows users have to wait, but if you are a UA user with a tbolt computer, Luna even v1 seems all upside? Once you demo, I bet very few will go back to Console?
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 11:53:47 GMT -6
Agreed, sorry windows users have to wait, but if you are a UA user with a tbolt computer, Luna even v1 seems all upside? Once you demo, I bet very few will go back to Console? I'm almost certain I wouldn't go back, at least for tracking anyway. I still might end up dumping to my current DAW if I end up still preferring to mix there, but maybe not.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2020 12:54:42 GMT -6
So I briefly kicked around doing a Hackintosh a few years ago. I wonder if that might not be the better route to go than buying an older Mini?
I built my new PC with parts which were approved to work for Hackintosh on the TonyMac website. So it would just need to be set up as a dual boot.
For those of you with a dual boot PC/Mac, one of my biggest questions is how you go about pulling up files to mix in a Windows based DAW which were tracked in Luna (Mac OS based DAW)?
Yes those files are on the same computer, but it seems like there would be all kinds of compatibility issues still. Maybe not? I don't know.
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Post by stratboy on Jan 20, 2020 14:27:26 GMT -6
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but it occurs to me that with the UAD amp sim collection, Luna has potential to be sort of a kemper substitute. Playing guitar or bass direct into an Apollo and flipping through the amp plugins followed by Ocean Way? Hmmm. It’s always had that ability Makes sense that it would have for an Apollo owner, which I am not. I’m buying a Twin sometime soon, Right now, my UAD plugs run on Satellites, so the latency makes overdubbing interesting.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 14:51:05 GMT -6
Ah, Luna defaults to a locked 128 buffer, you can do the math based on what sampling rate you prefer ?
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