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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 11:38:16 GMT -6
What led you choose that mic over other 47-like mics?
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2014 12:02:12 GMT -6
What led you choose that mic over other 47-like mics? Honestly, hands-on availability definitely factored in. CP were at last summer's Pot Luck Con here in Arizona and I spent significant time listening to their mics and talking with the owner/builder Chuck Dickinson. The only other mic manufacturer that was as "available" was AEA; everyone else had product on static display (T-Funk) or inside a glass case (AT5040). Hard to tell what something sounds like when it's under glass or not plugged in. I'm sure that the Notre Dame is only one of a number of good U47-ish mics; for me it hit a "good" price point and I liked the people associated with the brand.
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Post by Ward on Jan 27, 2014 13:19:21 GMT -6
u just gotta buy more stuff so u can sell more stuff so u can buy more stuff. wait... is this the gear addiction thread? My problem is compounded by the fact that I am a buyer only, and never sell anythingwhat is this "sell" word you speak of?
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2014 13:35:32 GMT -6
My problem is compounded by the fact that I am a buyer only, and never sell anythingwhat is this "sell" word you speak of? I am trying to learn the concept. I have stuff I am not using, so it should go. In theory.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 27, 2014 13:51:49 GMT -6
what is this "sell" word you speak of? I am trying to learn the concept. I have stuff I am not using, so it should go. In theory. You speak in words that neither I nor Ward understand..
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 14:06:37 GMT -6
What led you choose that mic over other 47-like mics? Honestly, hands-on availability definitely factored in. CP were at last summer's Pot Luck Con here in Arizona and I spent significant time listening to their mics and talking with the owner/builder Chuck Dickinson. The only other mic manufacturer that was as "available" was AEA; everyone else had product on static display (T-Funk) or inside a glass case (AT5040). Hard to tell what something sounds like when it's under glass or not plugged in. I'm sure that the Notre Dame is only one of a number of good U47-ish mics; for me it hit a "good" price point and I liked the people associated with the brand. Gotcha, that makes sense. At one point I had a Soundelux e47, Wunder CM7gt-K47 and Korby Kat-47...the Soundelux actually sounded the best to me (not necessarily most authentic), the Wunder 2nd and Korby least fave. I've gone without a 47-ish mike for a while and would like another. I've heard about a guy named Toby Foster in LA who can assemble a kit based on Matt Kircher's MK47, Equinox housing, FLEA cap and Hamptone PSU. A friend swears this is a cheaper way into a FLEA and that it rivaled his Grosser and vintage 47. It's just hard to pull the trigger without hearing it. I recently heard a CM7gt M7 that i liked but haven't heard it side by side with any others.
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Post by matt on Jan 27, 2014 14:26:27 GMT -6
Honestly, hands-on availability definitely factored in. CP were at last summer's Pot Luck Con here in Arizona and I spent significant time listening to their mics and talking with the owner/builder Chuck Dickinson. The only other mic manufacturer that was as "available" was AEA; everyone else had product on static display (T-Funk) or inside a glass case (AT5040). Hard to tell what something sounds like when it's under glass or not plugged in. I'm sure that the Notre Dame is only one of a number of good U47-ish mics; for me it hit a "good" price point and I liked the people associated with the brand. It's just hard to pull the trigger without hearing it. That was exactly my problem. I considered spending big $ (4-5K+) on a 47/251-type mic but couldn't do it blind. I am not a member of the smallish recording community here in Phoenix so my exposure to high-end mics is pretty much nil, and even if I did, I'm not sure many local studios have much in the way of a mic locker. Arizona is a desert in more ways than one . . . FWIW, my vocalist commented that my primary vocal chain (ND > Ventura > STA > B2) sounds better than any of the "pro" studios he has worked at in town, and my room is not treated (yet). But I use two isolation tools (Auralex ProMax kit, VoxGuard) and we spend all the time we need dialing things in. With the Notre Dame, I do not feel the need to EQ on the way in, and we get pretty fair isolation from room ambience. It's beautiful.
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 14:32:55 GMT -6
tonycamphd Did you say you had built a DIY 47 for $1000> ? Are you familiar with Matt Kircher's MK47 and/or the Equinox housing? I'm sure the FLEA cap would be good.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 15:08:36 GMT -6
I built a U47 for under $2k. All first-class components. I have no doubt it would rival a Flea, Wagner, Wunder, or Grosser. I went with a build that is a little bit more expensive than an MK47, but still very reasonable considering what's inside.
littlesicily, the MK47 is exactly the mic Tony built. Equinox body is the cheapest U47 body you can buy.
The amount of research I've done on the U47 over the past year is simply absurd.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 27, 2014 15:36:37 GMT -6
tonycamphd Did you say you had built a DIY 47 for $1000> ? Are you familiar with Matt Kircher's MK47 and/or the Equinox housing? I'm sure the FLEA cap would be good. Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 27, 2014 15:50:38 GMT -6
I'm carefully considering sending my Blackspade UM17r to Shannon for a tune up. It has the T-M7 in it. Very modern sounding. AMI tranny.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 27, 2014 16:07:08 GMT -6
Also, I have it on good authority (flea)that Flea gets their capsules from Thiersch
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 16:30:09 GMT -6
tonycamphd Did you say you had built a DIY 47 for $1000> ? Are you familiar with Matt Kircher's MK47 and/or the Equinox housing? I'm sure the FLEA cap would be good. Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals Wow, Tony...that seems like a high-quality, low cost mic. The quote I got from my friend was more like $2k in parts but was using some different parts...Hamptone PSU, mount, etc... How do you figure $350 for the Thirsch M7...thought they were $600-$650?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2014 16:43:53 GMT -6
My problem is compounded by the fact that I am a buyer only, and never sell anythingwhat is this "sell" word you speak of? Yeah - I know...I never sell anything
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2014 16:46:21 GMT -6
tonycamphd Did you say you had built a DIY 47 for $1000> ? Are you familiar with Matt Kircher's MK47 and/or the Equinox housing? I'm sure the FLEA cap would be good. Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals I didn't think you could "tune" M7's? Aren't they glued down?
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 18:01:45 GMT -6
An M7 is glued, but it is most definitely tuned.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 18:04:58 GMT -6
Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals Wow, Tony...that seems like a high-quality, low cost mic. The quote I got from my friend was more like $2k in parts but was using some different parts...Hamptone PSU, mount, etc... How do you figure $350 for the Thirsch M7...thought they were $600-$650? A Thiersch M7 should not be more than $400 anywhere. Seriously you can build a U47 with the best components available for under $2k. You could even use a VF14 for less than $4k total. I'm using the same transformer found in Wagners, Lucas, and Bock, I believe. Capsule you could even get a genuine Neumann K47 for roughly $650.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 27, 2014 18:43:40 GMT -6
Where can one find a VF14 these days?
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 19:33:18 GMT -6
I would ask a guru, not ebay.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 27, 2014 19:37:07 GMT -6
Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals Wow, Tony...that seems like a high-quality, low cost mic. The quote I got from my friend was more like $2k in parts but was using some different parts...Hamptone PSU, mount, etc... How do you figure $350 for the Thirsch M7...thought they were $600-$650? I'm pretty sure mine was about $360.00 or so, I had my mount already. Is the hamptone PSU pre built?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 27, 2014 19:41:13 GMT -6
Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals I didn't think you could "tune" M7's? Aren't they glued down? It WOULD require a re skin, The dimensions of the backplate, the drill pattern, the lapping, the tensioning of this skinning, the quality of the gold sputtering, and the capacitance of the finished capsule all matter, Shannon would obviously be better to speak toward this in any real sense, I know nothing in comparison to him. also danderloo knows the mk47 EXTREMELY we'll
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 27, 2014 19:45:18 GMT -6
Watchtower, did u ever put a Thiersch m7 blue line in ur 47?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2014 20:00:27 GMT -6
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 20:28:02 GMT -6
Watchtower, did u ever put a Thiersch m7 blue line in ur 47? No, not yet. I keep reading comments about the Thiersch M7 being darker than a genuine Neumann, and get cold feet haha. Of course, I also recently heard a shootout where the Thiersch was indeed noticeably darker than a Neumann, so that kind of solidified it for me. I'm going to mod my circuit before I switch capsules anyway. I'm installign a relay and going back to some vintage values in the passive components now that I know way more about what each one does.
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 21:17:50 GMT -6
Wow, Tony...that seems like a high-quality, low cost mic. The quote I got from my friend was more like $2k in parts but was using some different parts...Hamptone PSU, mount, etc... How do you figure $350 for the Thirsch M7...thought they were $600-$650? A Thiersch M7 should not be more than $400 anywhere. Seriously you can build a U47 with the best components available for under $2k. You could even use a VF14 for less than $4k total. I'm using the same transformer found in Wagners, Lucas, and Bock, I believe. Capsule you could even get a genuine Neumann K47 for roughly $650. Good to know about Thiersch cost. Man, I had a Gefell at one point w/ Neumann M7 and that cap was sweet. Can they be purchased any longer?
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