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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 21:18:38 GMT -6
Wow, Tony...that seems like a high-quality, low cost mic. The quote I got from my friend was more like $2k in parts but was using some different parts...Hamptone PSU, mount, etc... How do you figure $350 for the Thirsch M7...thought they were $600-$650? Is the hamptone PSU pre built? tonycamphd it is assembled.
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 21:21:12 GMT -6
I didn't think you could "tune" M7's? Aren't they glued down? It WOULD require a re skin, The dimensions of the backplate, the drill pattern, the lapping, the tensioning of this skinning, the quality of the gold sputtering, and the capacitance of the finished capsule all matter, Shannon would obviously be better to speak toward this in any real sense, I know nothing in comparison to him. also danderloo knows the mk47 EXTREMELY we'll dandeurloo... any thoughts on the MK47... really, how close, how good, which configuration? I dread dumping $1500-$2500 on a project that ends up sounding average when I can get a known quantity with resell value if I grow weary of it. I know... DIY newbie cold feet.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 21:30:40 GMT -6
A Thiersch M7 should not be more than $400 anywhere. Seriously you can build a U47 with the best components available for under $2k. You could even use a VF14 for less than $4k total. I'm using the same transformer found in Wagners, Lucas, and Bock, I believe. Capsule you could even get a genuine Neumann K47 for roughly $650. Good to know about Thiersch cost. Man, I had a Gefell at one point w/ Neumann M7 and that cap was sweet. Can they be purchased any longer? No, I don't think Gefell sells their M7 by itself. When was your Gefell from? FWIW, while Gefell claims their current M7 is the same as it always was, Klaus disagrees.
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Post by Ward on Jan 27, 2014 21:32:23 GMT -6
tonycamphd Did you say you had built a DIY 47 for $1000> ? Are you familiar with Matt Kircher's MK47 and/or the Equinox housing? I'm sure the FLEA cap would be good. Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals Are you interested in building one for one of your "Real Gear" buddies by any chance? What would you charge for your sweat equity? (not ready at the moment, but could be in a few months' time)...
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Post by littlesicily on Jan 27, 2014 21:43:48 GMT -6
Good to know about Thiersch cost. Man, I had a Gefell at one point w/ Neumann M7 and that cap was sweet. Can they be purchased any longer? No, I don't think Gefell sells their M7 by itself. When was your Gefell from? FWIW, while Gefell claims their current M7 is the same as it always was, Klaus disagrees. I had an older Gefell 92 w/ m7. Overall the mic suffered from a few other poor components, so I'm told.
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Post by Shannon on Jan 27, 2014 22:20:18 GMT -6
The m7 are glued down and harder to work get what you want out of it. Although nothing sounds like a OG m7 you have to remember most of the m7 out there that you are fimialar the sound prob. one that has PVC on it not mylar on it. That out glue ring is a bit** I think they used to use a epoxy based glue to adhere it to the backplate. Also the spacing is set WYSIWYG. I have found older M7's that I have had to reface and turn to the appropriate tolerances to , ( not fun ). I have worked on a flea c12 . And I gotta say I was impressed with the quality and machining of it.
FYI for those of us that use a ipad it is frustrating as hell to reply every time a banner is rotated it takes the keyboard away and you end up typing something like I did that was omitting words that when u look at it again like wtf was I saying
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2014 23:39:35 GMT -6
Damn - I didn't know about the ipad thing... @sinsay, go down to the very, very bottom and there should be a "switch to mobile version" link...click that...
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 28, 2014 5:16:38 GMT -6
Hi Sal, yes I built the mk47, a quick approx cost breakdown would be....$350 for the mk kit, $350 for a thiersch m7, $170 for a gt2b donor mic, I used an amo case for my psu, parts for psu were a Zayance pcb, and mouser cart for about $50, So about $920 for me, if U use the equinox and a PSU case tubes etc, u add about $200 to this I shotout all the different capsules available except a Neumann m7, the thiersch m7 blue line was a clear winner IMO I totally love the mic, it's my favorite in the locker for sure. U could get a lesser capsule, and send the whole rig to Shannon for a final tuning that would kill, that guy knows his stuff, he's tuning my second mk build Hope this helps, let me know if I can help further BTW I did not use or try the equinox k47, but I'm petty sure he buys them?? Theirsch builds them within exacting specs of the originals Are you interested in building one for one of your "Real Gear" buddies by any chance? What would you charge for your sweat equity? (not ready at the moment, but could be in a few months' time)... Hi ward, I'm pretty slammed with DIY, I think danderlou may build these for some people, he's great at this stuff, and I believe he's done quite a few for familiar forum members, my build was a little outta the box, and would be hard to repeat efficiently, dan probably has the boms all set I would think? So I guess what I'm saying is, if u can't find someone else to do it, hit me up again later and I'll try to figure something out for u...? It's a great sounding mic Good luck
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Post by watchtower on Jan 28, 2014 10:44:37 GMT -6
I would build a mic for someone here. I haven't done the MK47, but I've built two mics, including a point to point U47, which is harder.
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Post by 127riot on Jan 30, 2014 8:54:52 GMT -6
I did not read this entire thread, however I'd like to contribute, I purchased a Flea 47 vintage series and I really really like it a lot, I have compared it side by side with 2 real U47's one of which had the VF-14 tube, and I heard with my own ears the quality of the flea, they were not exact, but neither were the 2 real u 47's in the room. I use my flea all the time as a drum room mic and quite a bit on vocals depending on the song/singer, it's a great mic and has a 10 year warranty, $4200 is a pretty big chunk to me, but it now seems cheap compared to the sound I'm hearing. I also have an AT-4050, I like it as well, especially on outside kick drum. Compared to the flea on a vocal track there is no comparison, the flea just has that huge bottom, full bodied, tube warmth, and is a completely different caliber, you get what you pay for in pro audio, If I knew how to post pictures on this thread I would post a picture of the flea/Neumann's the day me and my 2 friends got together for a listen. I got the Flea 47 Vintage with the F-7 capsule & EF12 tube, I considered the next series but I did Ssooo much research and back and fourth top to bottom looking for that one special mic, I figured if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right, and went with the vintage series because of the added pattern and the look, everything about it is GREAT. Hope this helps.
Steve
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 30, 2014 11:09:10 GMT -6
I did not read this entire thread, however I'd like to contribute, I purchased a Flea 47 vintage series and I really really like it a lot, I have compared it side by side with 2 real U47's one of which had the VF-14 tube, and I heard with my own ears the quality of the flea, they were not exact, but neither were the 2 real u 47's in the room. I use my flea all the time as a drum room mic and quite a bit on vocals depending on the song/singer, it's a great mic and has a 10 year warranty, $4200 is a pretty big chunk to me, but it now seems cheap compared to the sound I'm hearing. I also have an AT-4050, I like it as well, especially on outside kick drum. Compared to the flea on a vocal track there is no comparison, the flea just has that huge bottom, full bodied, tube warmth, and is a completely different caliber, you get what you pay for in pro audio, If I knew how to post pictures on this thread I would post a picture of the flea/Neumann's the day me and my 2 friends got together for a listen. I got the Flea 47 Vintage with the F-7 capsule & EF12 tube, I considered the next series but I did Ssooo much research and back and fourth top to bottom looking for that one special mic, I figured if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right, and went with the vintage series because of the added pattern and the look, everything about it is GREAT. Hope this helps. Steve Welcome to RGO Steve!
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 1, 2014 21:17:02 GMT -6
I recently heard the CM7gt (M7)... and really liked it. These sell used for $2200-2400. What reasons, if any, would some of you give for going the DIY MK47/Thiersch route over the Wunder? tonycamphd drbill dandeurloo
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 1, 2014 21:39:10 GMT -6
I recently heard the CM7gt (M7)... and really liked it. These sell used for $2200-2400. What reasons, if any, would some of you give for going the DIY MK47/Thiersch route over the Wunder? tonycamphd drbill Hey Sal, I've never used the wunder so can't speak to it, it looks quite cool, the mk47 is pretty sweet, and the price seems more than right on it, I know danderlou has built quite a few of these, I believe he built dr bills also? He can probably speak to the nuances of tweaking better than I, I tried multiple capsules, and like dan, I ended up liking the Thiersch blueline the best, what capsule brand does the wunder use? The Mk has the 47 thing happening big time, the circuit is true, the splitting of the tubes to achieve the vf14 thing is ingenious by Max, and his transformers are gaining a rep as the cats butt, I'm perfectly thrilled with mine, the first time I used it I thought " that's it!" Hope this helps a little
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Post by watchtower on Feb 1, 2014 22:39:58 GMT -6
I recently heard the CM7gt (M7)... and really liked it. These sell used for $2200-2400. What reasons, if any, would some of you give for going the DIY MK47/Thiersch route over the Wunder? tonycamphd drbill dandeurlooThe only reason to go DiY is to save money or because you like building mics. The Wunder will have much better resale value. The CM7gt uses an EF800 tube, from what I understand. The same tube found in my U47.
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 2, 2014 11:33:13 GMT -6
I recently heard the CM7gt (M7)... and really liked it. These sell used for $2200-2400. What reasons, if any, would some of you give for going the DIY MK47/Thiersch route over the Wunder? tonycamphd drbill dandeurlooThe only reason to go DiY is to save money or because you like building mics. The Wunder will have much better resale value. The CM7gt uses an EF800 tube, from what I understand. The same tube found in my U47. I don't have any ambition to build a mic (so that removes reason 1), and by the time I pay someone to do it...the "save money" reason is out the window. So I guess the CM7gt is looking better and better for my situation.
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Post by watchtower on Feb 2, 2014 13:14:18 GMT -6
Well, the other advantage of DiY is having full control over the circuit and components. Then again, maybe Wunder would install any capsule you choose?
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 2, 2014 13:28:10 GMT -6
Yeah, if u find a good builder for ur DIY, u can tweak the circuit till u get what u want... Exactly. Don't know if wunder will do that?...although someone certainly will...to the wunder
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 2, 2014 16:15:34 GMT -6
Yeah, if u find a good builder for ur DIY, u can tweak the circuit till u get what u want... Exactly. Don't know if wunder will do that?...although someone certainly will...to the wunder Locally, Shannon is the only one I know/trust but his time is valuable and therefore not cheap. The Wunder stock M7 ain't bad... I thought I remember reading that Wunder gets their caps from Flea who gets them from Thiersch. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 2, 2014 16:16:41 GMT -6
tonycamphd can good looking u47 bodies be found for the DIY?
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 2, 2014 16:25:59 GMT -6
tonycamphd can good looking u47 bodies be found for the DIY? How bout this? equinoxsystems.net/store/equ47/if u can get dan to do it and Shannon to tweak the capsule? Although the Thiersch M7 blueline is pretty amazing, I believe flea gets them from Thiersch, so wunder may fall in suit.
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 2, 2014 16:29:00 GMT -6
tonycamphd can good looking u47 bodies be found for the DIY? How bout this? equinoxsystems.net/store/equ47/if u can get dan to do it and Shannon to tweak the capsule? Although the Thiersch M7 blueline is pretty amazing, I believe flea gets them from Thiersch, so wunder may fall in suit. How does it look and feel in person? I've seen some that look like a Lysol can...
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 2, 2014 16:38:27 GMT -6
How bout this? equinoxsystems.net/store/equ47/if u can get dan to do it and Shannon to tweak the capsule? Although the Thiersch M7 blueline is pretty amazing, I believe flea gets them from Thiersch, so wunder may fall in suit. How does it look and feel in person? I've seen some that look like a Lysol can... Dan would be the guy to ask on that, I'm the " I don't care what it looks like!" Guy, so I used a different body, even though I may go this route for my second. All the boys over at groupdiy helped design that body, so I trust it's good, u could get a body from beeznees for more$, it looks very robust, but honestly, they have some serious customer service issues ime, equinox did too, but they seem to have redeemed lately.
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Post by Shannon on Feb 4, 2014 2:01:57 GMT -6
Vote for the appearance of , the flea and the Equinox, there are alot of small machine shops that have a gear junkie programming the cnc at home in the off time that are making DA SHIT ........ look great look in the groupdiy in the white area? u see some doing a run of 10 for people that want to get in saw a nice m49 body etc there recently
Sinsay
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 4, 2014 19:38:26 GMT -6
Good info...
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Post by lmnproyect on Aug 5, 2016 18:56:12 GMT -6
I did not read this entire thread, however I'd like to contribute, I purchased a Flea 47 vintage series and I really really like it a lot, I have compared it side by side with 2 real U47's one of which had the VF-14 tube, and I heard with my own ears the quality of the flea, they were not exact, but neither were the 2 real u 47's in the room. I use my flea all the time as a drum room mic and quite a bit on vocals depending on the song/singer, it's a great mic and has a 10 year warranty, $4200 is a pretty big chunk to me, but it now seems cheap compared to the sound I'm hearing. I also have an AT-4050, I like it as well, especially on outside kick drum. Compared to the flea on a vocal track there is no comparison, the flea just has that huge bottom, full bodied, tube warmth, and is a completely different caliber, you get what you pay for in pro audio, If I knew how to post pictures on this thread I would post a picture of the flea/Neumann's the day me and my 2 friends got together for a listen. I got the Flea 47 Vintage with the F-7 capsule & EF12 tube, I considered the next series but I did Ssooo much research and back and fourth top to bottom looking for that one special mic, I figured if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right, and went with the vintage series because of the added pattern and the look, everything about it is GREAT. Hope this helps. Steve Hi, i also have a Flea 47 vintage with 2 heads , what differences you heard between your Flea u47 and the neumann u47 soundwise? Im testing my Flea with my M7 thiersch PVC and my new K7 (K47) Beesneez MYLAR. Is not night and day difference, i thing they have a pretty similar signature sound. Both sounds wonderfull. Here are the diferences i heard if it helps: Thiersch M7 PVC has a little more bottom at 200hz and below , and has a very pretty silky detailed high end at 10khz (i think PVC is more detailed in top end) more vintage overall Beesneez K7 (K47) has a little bit more body in the mids and more presence in the high mids 2-4 khz and a bit less high end at 10khz (i think Mylar is a bit more harder sound ) a bit more modern but sounds gorgeus! its hard for me to decide which capsule ill choose when i have to track vocals. damm
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