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Post by johneppstein on Aug 2, 2019 16:25:39 GMT -6
To the SM7b naysayers: If you don't like it don't use it--that's a stance I can respect. But I don't understand the need to tear it down like it's nothing better than a 57. Yes the SM7 has similar guts to a 57 but the end result is that it sounds nothing like it. I'll leave that explanation to someone who's more technically qualified than myself. Here's the thing from my perspective-- singers really like the SM7. And not just rock and roll shouters. The mic's sound is very solid and focused and can work with all sorts of vocalists. It's also fine on amps and kick drum. I wouldn't turn to it for acoustic guitar--but maybe some day I will. And yes, price is a factor, as it is in most cases and for most of us. The SM7 is very high in the "bang for your buck" category. Here's a video of a track I produced a few years ago for singer songwriter Catie Curtis. It's an SM7b on her voice. If someone here doesn't like the vocal sound that's cool. But to my ears it worked. She really has a lovely voice. And the SM7 certainly doesn't get in the way.
Great work!
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Post by notneeson on Aug 2, 2019 17:07:34 GMT -6
I think we can have a nuanced, thoughtful conversation about this. For the record, I like the mic and agree with Michael above. At the same time, it's worth noting that VO cut in a small, boxy sounding treated booth (random but hopefully illustrative example) will still sound "boxy" on an SM7. And you can't EQ it out either. Which is to say, it's a great tool, not a magic wand. And yes, SM7 haters tend to be major cork sniffers, but to some extent we need those people in audio. I don't think anyone ever implied the SM7 could completely eliminate a room, just that it works well at minimizing it. I was just affirming to the other poster that there was nothing hard to understand about his saying that and that the odd, smug response to it was...well, odd and smug. Agreed, just trying to enrich the dialog and in no way directed at you (who I also agree with).
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Post by yotonic on Aug 2, 2019 17:15:52 GMT -6
The SM7 sounds great in live settings.
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Post by M57 on Aug 2, 2019 19:12:48 GMT -6
What a coincidence - I just happened to be listening to this..
Same keyboard player - SM7 is again the choice for the lead singer ..in about as horrible a room as you can envision (if you want to call it that).
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Post by M57 on Aug 2, 2019 20:37:41 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Aug 3, 2019 12:11:02 GMT -6
I joked when that video got posted....because you know how I always recommend SONGWRITERS start with an SM7 and Sm81 even if they want to shop for more frou frou...because it gives professional caliber baseline-and you can get them both used because they're so robust built and been staples for so long--and then flip them once you find your snowflake mic(s). Anyway--they're using both.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 3, 2019 12:53:15 GMT -6
To the SM7b naysayers: If you don't like it don't use it--that's a stance I can respect. But I don't understand the need to tear it down like it's nothing better than a 57. Yes the SM7 has similar guts to a 57 but the end result is that it sounds nothing like it. I'll leave that explanation to someone who's more technically qualified than myself. Here's the thing from my perspective-- singers really like the SM7. And not just rock and roll shouters. The mic's sound is very solid and focused and can work with all sorts of vocalists. It's also fine on amps and kick drum. I wouldn't turn to it for acoustic guitar--but maybe some day I will. And yes, price is a factor, as it is in most cases and for most of us. The SM7 is very high in the "bang for your buck" category. Here's a video of a track I produced a few years ago for singer songwriter Catie Curtis. It's an SM7b on her voice. If someone here doesn't like the vocal sound that's cool. But to my ears it worked. She really has a lovely voice. And the SM7 certainly doesn't get in the way.
Great work!
Anyone remember the old classic Life Cereal commercial? Hey, Mikey-ahem-John likes it! Gee, maybe even so much for me to give him a SM7 (I'll even throw in my MXL V69 too!), for his Heiserman H47 FET. Chris
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Post by gouge on Aug 3, 2019 15:07:49 GMT -6
still waiting for the sm7 / acoustic guitar vids 😆
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 3, 2019 15:28:24 GMT -6
She really has a lovely voice. And the SM7 certainly doesn't get in the way.
Great work!
Anyone remember the old classic Life Cereal commercial? Hey, Mikey-ahem-John likes it! Gee, maybe even so much for me to give him a SM7 (I'll even throw in my MXL V69 too!), for his Heiserman H47 FET. Chris Nice try.
That being said, I probably will buy one, much like I (relatively) recently picked up a 635A. I didn't have one at the moment and it's something I probably should have at least one of. It's just that i've never been in a situation where I felt an overwhelming need for one and I do have several other mics that fill that general slot - some of which I like a lot and I'm not really a big fan of Shure dynamic mics these days, anyway. 10 or 15 years ago it probably would have been a different story but the way I look at mics has changed quite a bit in that time. Rather than looking for the "best" thing available for whatever money I happen to have on hand I've come to the point where I'd rather try to let the cash accumulate so if a killer deal on something really good comes along I can jump on it before somebody else does.
I did like the recording, so the mics's worth adding to the collection.
I seriously doubt I'll ever use it on acoustic guitar though.
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Post by reddirt on Aug 3, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -6
You could make a record with just SM7s and it would sound good; Id rather use a 441 (have you checked European price?) as to my ears it you would get your sounds more easily. . Cheers, Ross
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Post by ragan on Aug 3, 2019 17:02:08 GMT -6
441 is the king in my book. Such a damn fine mic.
I also like SM7s though.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 3, 2019 18:04:14 GMT -6
441 is King for me too. M88 is Crown Prince.
BTW you can hear the EV 635a doing a very fine job on vocals... On Burton Cummings/Guess Who, on an early live clip of "Laughing", over on YouTube. Chris
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Post by sirthought on Aug 3, 2019 18:44:25 GMT -6
still waiting for the sm7 / acoustic guitar vids 😆
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Post by Guitar on Aug 3, 2019 18:46:25 GMT -6
that guy cracks me up! he posted a video of a preamp shootout and one of them had a -30 dB hiss/noise throughout the whole thing. Also he constantly looks over at the camera or the wall or something with a really worried look on his face, it's hilarious.
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Post by sirthought on Aug 3, 2019 18:47:55 GMT -6
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Post by hio on Aug 3, 2019 19:09:23 GMT -6
The 441 was my first professional microphone I bought in the bay area when I went to set up my first studio in SF.
A phenomenal microphone I might add.
I just bought an SM7B around 6 months ago and haven't found much use for it since I tested it with my Stam 1073 MPA which didn't need a cloud filter by any stretch of the means.
I have said this before and I think on this forum the Sennheiser E945 sounds great on vocals and should be part of any mic locker.
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Post by gouge on Aug 3, 2019 19:13:18 GMT -6
still waiting for the sm7 / acoustic guitar vids 😆 did you listen? do you think that sounds good?
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Post by gouge on Aug 3, 2019 19:15:12 GMT -6
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Post by hio on Aug 3, 2019 19:37:33 GMT -6
SM7 for me.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 3, 2019 19:59:04 GMT -6
If you fast forward to the very end of this very nice video Jacquire King describes his SM7B as his "Main Vocal Microphone" with other options and sometimes picks being a Flea 47 and a Sony C37A.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 4, 2019 0:32:57 GMT -6
still waiting for the sm7 / acoustic guitar vids 😆 UMmmm...... Sounds a bit muddy to me.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 4, 2019 0:35:58 GMT -6
did you listen? do you think that sounds good? Yes. No.
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Post by gouge on Aug 4, 2019 5:20:47 GMT -6
you know what mic does sound good on acoustic. is not bad on vocals and doesnt pick up the room.....
sm57.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 4, 2019 6:35:13 GMT -6
A ribbon close up on the neck will do a good job, point the null at the singer. Can glance it towards the bridge if you want more pick attack. You can also get an omni mic in super close and then your placement isn't so built around avoiding the soundhole, but that's not great if they're singing at the same time and you want the bleed kept down. An ev635a works well for that.
Tbh the real thing for keeping acoustic guitar dry is just avoiding making it stereo. Nothing too mad to it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 4, 2019 8:08:05 GMT -6
If you're gonna demo a mic for acoustic guitar, perhaps hitting more than 3 strings might be a good idea?
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