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Post by johneppstein on Aug 11, 2019 13:58:31 GMT -6
You can also try just pulling the singer back from the microphone, like 12-18 inches. You’ll loose some of the proximity effect, but also lessen the SS sounds. I always work at a distance of about a foot, give of take a few inches depending on the dynamics of the song. I never come close to eating the mic except on extreme low notes which are inherently quieter unless I want to bring out my rasp, so to get those notes up to the level of the rest of the passage I need the extra proximity effect. But my averge working distance is usually around a foot.
Another thing is that I NEVER use a pop filter. Pop filters are sibilance generators.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 12, 2019 7:03:36 GMT -6
I have yet to find denigrating a clients lack of technique to be productive, and a lot of them aren’t in any mood to learn something new on the spot, reacting negatively to any suggestions. Something about creative people and self confidence. Apply the tools at hand. U67, BK-11A, 77-D, MF-65, UMT70S, 414B-ULS, SM7, M160, RE16, RE20, 902, etc.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 12, 2019 8:46:45 GMT -6
Yeah, we talked about mic technique. I'm talking about the people who don't have any, and aren't gonna get any that day, or that week, or that month. Paying clients who've already been through 10 possible vocal mics to find the one that works best. Yep had some of those... not too many thankfully. They literally have NO clue about mic technique to the extent they will move all over the place, dance about, go for a walk and then seem confused when I walk into the studio and ask why they are suddenly 10 feet away from the mic in the middle of a take.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2019 12:22:16 GMT -6
I have yet to find denigrating a clients lack of technique to be productive, and a lot of them aren’t in any mood to learn something new on the spot, reacting negatively to any suggestions. Something about creative people and self confidence. Apply the tools at hand. U67, BK-11A, 77-D, MF-65, UMT70S, 414B-ULS, SM7, M160, RE16, RE20, 902, etc. The trick is to not be denigrating, but helpful. That is a whole skill set unto itself and one where a good producer cxan be invaluable.
OTOH, if a client is totally intransigent it can be a real problem and probably a sign that they may not be ready to record.
Even a star athlete needs to listen to his coach or he'll never get anywhaere....
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2019 12:23:41 GMT -6
Yeah, we talked about mic technique. I'm talking about the people who don't have any, and aren't gonna get any that day, or that week, or that month. Paying clients who've already been through 10 possible vocal mics to find the one that works best. Yep had some of those... not too many thankfully. They literally have NO clue about mic technique to the extent they will move all over the place, dance about, go for a walk and then seem confused when I walk into the studio and ask why they are suddenly 10 feet away from the mic in the middle of a take. No amount of switching microphones will help those people.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 12, 2019 13:36:47 GMT -6
....hence, the de-essers, etc......
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 12, 2019 15:46:55 GMT -6
Yep had some of those... not too many thankfully. They literally have NO clue about mic technique to the extent they will move all over the place, dance about, go for a walk and then seem confused when I walk into the studio and ask why they are suddenly 10 feet away from the mic in the middle of a take. No amount of switching microphones will help those people. Everyone’s a pro until they’re in a room full of pros.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 12, 2019 16:28:12 GMT -6
And pro pain can fuel a better performance! Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2019 22:53:14 GMT -6
....hence, the de-essers, etc...... And generally the nature of the problems exhibited by such peope will be of a severity that makes using a de-esser as a "Fix" will probably not be entirely satisfactory.
As I think I mentioned before, I usually find de-essers most useful in trimming up residual problems that snuck by initial technique.
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Post by svart on Aug 13, 2019 6:33:00 GMT -6
You know, every time I see the title to this thread I always see "controlled substances" for some reason.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 13, 2019 8:10:37 GMT -6
You know, every time I see the title to this thread I always see "controlled substances" for some reason. Wait, what’s your studio called again? 😀
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Post by ml on Aug 13, 2019 15:56:21 GMT -6
Sibilants is a non-issue ever since I started using the Airwindows deesser. Do NOT sleep on this and it’s free! Goodbye FabFilter DS! www.airwindows.com/deess-vst/Wow this is great and its free! Really impressed with this. I have to agree with some of the others would be even nicer with a side chain listening option.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 21:49:05 GMT -6
...I use TDR Nova for de-essing. It works great.
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 23, 2019 10:58:41 GMT -6
I used a Beyer M88 on vocals for the first time yesterday and I was really impressed with the way it handles esses without sounding dark. I had just a touch of 12k boost with the Retro Powerstrip and I thought it sounded excellent.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 23, 2019 12:16:43 GMT -6
Up to five years ago... My voice was even too bright, for the M88! Time for me to try a M88 again sometime.
I almost got a 441 before, because of this... Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 23, 2019 12:50:03 GMT -6
The M88 is my live performance mic.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 23, 2019 13:02:47 GMT -6
The M88 is my live performance mic. My M88 just broke today! All the lows are gone. I got in touch with Beyerdynamic for a repair, I hope it’s not too expensive. I always used the pop shield for kick drum duties as instructed. :’(
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 23, 2019 13:34:51 GMT -6
I had picked up an M88 a while back on eBay, but when I got it it was microphonic and I had to return it. I have to grab one at some point.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 23, 2019 14:13:07 GMT -6
Bummer guys. I wonder how good of a source, are those one or two ebay sellers (typically)... That have used-supposedly mint ones, for just under $300? Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 23, 2019 20:22:29 GMT -6
Bummer guys. I wonder how good of a source, are those one or two ebay sellers (typically)... That have used-supposedly mint ones, for just under $300? Chris If you have a good personal relationship with a dealer you should be able to get one new for that. At least I did.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 23, 2019 21:56:30 GMT -6
I got 3 M88’s on eBay for something like $220 each. Apparently they were Bstock but they seemed brand new to me.
I think I got them on the Proaudiostar Ebay Page.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 24, 2019 5:43:50 GMT -6
I got 3 M88’s on eBay for something like $220 each. Apparently they were Bstock but they seemed brand new to me. I think I got them on the Proaudiostar Ebay Page. What are you using them on?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 24, 2019 7:53:19 GMT -6
I got 3 M88’s on eBay for something like $220 each. Apparently they were Bstock but they seemed brand new to me. I think I got them on the Proaudiostar Ebay Page. What are you using them on? Bass drum Toms (although I’ve moved to M160’s last few sessions and really dig those as well) I’ve used them for vocals from time to time with really inexperienced singers and they work GREAT in that application. I should really try it on snare at some point but I’m so used to what the i5 gives me that I usually just stick with that mic.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 24, 2019 9:02:44 GMT -6
They work great on "inexperienced singers" AND Phil Collins. Chris
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 24, 2019 12:30:41 GMT -6
They work great on "inexperienced singers" AND Phil Collins. Chris Oh I was saying in the case of just giving somebody a hand held mic that isn’t a 58 and saying - “just go for it” Does anybody know if the originals and TG models sound the same? I’d assume that’s what Phil was using.
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