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Post by stam on Sept 6, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -6
A is the original B is the old SA67 MK1 C is the re-issue
While not identical, technical data suggest that A and B are much more similar than A to C or B to C
My ears also confirm this, they are close, as close as the next original 67 was to this one. C is quite different.
This said, we took the opportunity now that we have Tim Campbell on board to get even closer, I am making a new video end September with the same
Original, Stam and Re-issue, we might add a second original old 67 so you can hear as well the tolerances between them
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Post by Guitar on Sept 6, 2019 10:08:11 GMT -6
OK then I was correct in my guesses and my statement stands.
While I like the Heiserman capsule, and would consider buying one... Based on all these clips and the whole thread, I think the TC capsule is going to eventually get closer to the "vintage" benchmark. With the right TC revision, tube, circuit, etc. It just seems to have that smoothness.
This is just what I am hearing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 6, 2019 10:34:13 GMT -6
Interesting, since people reference using a little eq typically with the original, I am now curious how close you could actually get these 3 after eq ?
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Post by chessparov on Sept 6, 2019 15:00:28 GMT -6
Wonderful voice. This was the video that finally made me a "believer", in your/this microphone. It'd be cool if the new version, was voiced similarly. But I'm biased, since I'm at the top 5% of the vocal spectrum in brightness, particularly when in 2nd Tenor.
My full Lyric Baritone, has darkened somewhat though and is gradually continuing to darken in a Isaac Hayes-ish fashion!) Chris
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2019 10:19:02 GMT -6
I find it interesting that on the Shootout Video there are more differing subjective preferences than I thought there would be. While they all did a fine job, for me the Vintage one had more than a subtle eq difference but a character that seemed special. I don't know enough about mic components to know if that is related to subtle harmonics from the build, aging or what, but I posted my guess on the 3 mics correctly in the SA67/Shootout video thread before the results were revealed, so it wasn't confirmation bias for me. I guess we all hear some of the subtle nuances differently
My one experience singing through a stock reissue left me a little underwhelmed (my wallet was relieved!) Though it's detail on the mids and highs was excellent it was definitely light in the bottom for my voice which doesn't usually happen to me trying mic's. My understanding though is most people replace the stock tube in their reissue with a NOS one and reminds me of how good I thought Ward's posted Clips sounded of his reissue after he put in some NOS Telefunken806S and s tubes. I know the Cap has the biggest impact on the sound, but the tube clearly matters it seems as something to not overlook. This was supported again when Martin swapped the 2 different tubes I thought.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 7, 2019 17:15:31 GMT -6
I think it will be around 4 weeks and the next SA67 with the newest Tim Campbell capsule will be ready. I’m really looking forward to it. The SA67’s I did my tests with were excellent mics already, so I feel the new one might be special.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2019 1:19:01 GMT -6
IMHO Klaus' analysis of some of the U67 RI's (vs. orignal U67) was very impressive. Mike, I think you may have encountered one (or more), of the issues Klaus touched on. I would never purchase a Neumann U67 reissue, without someone who knows a U67 really well, to check it out with me.
Personally, I've tried two different U67 RI's. The first one sounded "anemic" to me, the second one sounded great.
FWIW I'm confident that the latest incarnation of Stam's version of the 67, will also be a very fine microphone indeed... Chris
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Post by mike on Sept 8, 2019 4:12:53 GMT -6
IMHO Klaus' analysis of some of the U67 RI's (vs. orignal U67) was very impressive. Mike, I think you may have encountered one (or more), of the issues Klaus touched on. I would never purchase a Neumann U67 reissue, without someone who knows a U67 really well, to check it out with me. Personally, I've tried two different U67 RI's. The first one sounded "anemic" to me, the second one sounded great. FWIW I'm confident that the latest incarnation of Stam's version of the 67, will also be a very fine microphone indeed... Chris
I agree with you Chris. Even without some of the points Klaus touched on, I've said before whether I've bought or tried a bunch of sm58's (all from the same lot) or tried multiple higher cost mic's of the same model, that while they all sound generally alike, no two sound specifically exactly identical has always been my personal experience. And I agree that Stam's version of the 67 with Tim's capsule will be a very fine microphone indeed. I am really looking forward to hearing it.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2019 15:23:57 GMT -6
Thanks Mike. Yes, supposedly a lot of "old school" AE's used to mark each of their SM57/545's with tape... "Snare", "vocal", etc. And someday, I will do the same with all my various and sundry U67's too. (after my lottery win!) Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 27, 2019 10:00:21 GMT -6
Stam is testing the new capsules now, so if all is well, the final SA67 version with a T.C. capsule will be ready soon.. can't wait. It's already really good, so the final adjustments could make for some magic there. Stam's made a serious effort here, so I'm rooting for them.
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Post by drbill on Sept 27, 2019 11:20:57 GMT -6
Stam is testing the new capsules now, so if all is well, the final SA67 version with a T.C. capsule will be ready soon.. can't wait. It's already really good, so the final adjustments could make for some magic there. Stam's made a serious effort here, so I'm rooting for them. Hope that works out good for you Martin! Maybe the search will be over??
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 27, 2019 15:12:01 GMT -6
Thanks DrBill. Of course with a huge budget there are a few choices I'd be thrilled to have, but the promise of getting there at a much more reasonable price makes me really hopeful Stam can get it there. I know he's really well focused on making the SA67 happen the right way.
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Post by stam on Sept 27, 2019 15:14:04 GMT -6
We tested the new Tim Campbell capsule today and it's amazing!!
I am blown away
Josh
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 27, 2019 17:51:43 GMT -6
Tim, ya know, kind of knows his way around caps: just sayin !
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Post by chessparov on Sept 27, 2019 18:35:26 GMT -6
As great as they get... Chris
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Post by 000 on Sept 27, 2019 18:56:48 GMT -6
I’m in love with the SA67 over here. If Tim’s capsule is an improvement/different take on this mic - it’s certainly a real treat. Stam gear oozes with vibe - and it seems his mics are not an exception.
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Post by swurveman on Sept 28, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -6
I don't understand how these "shootouts" can be accurate/informative, when the singer's mouth relative to the position of the capsule in the microphone is different in all three.
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Post by mike on Sept 28, 2019 13:19:41 GMT -6
I don't understand how these "shootouts" can be accurate/informative, when the singer's mouth relative to the position of the capsule in the microphone is different in all three.
I kind of agree though I always take shootouts with a grain of salt anyway knowing there is no substitute for being there to know setup details where small things can make a difference. Though I know the other way of doing it, by tracking each mic in optimum position has the different take downside, I think I'd prefer hearing the sonic comparison that way more than the common shootout position of 3 or 4 mic's mounted in a circle with singer aiming to the middle gap a little off axis in order for it to be the same take.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 1, 2019 7:45:01 GMT -6
I've been able to find some really excellent mics based on shootouts alone, so I don't think it's smart to immediately write them off. In fact, they can be fun.
There's no perfect shootout method, period. I choose to do different takes when posting shootouts. The subtle differences in performance doesn't prevent the shootout from offering a decent idea of what a mic sounds like. There are some engineers here with incredible experience with mics, but everyone has different abilities and each person will take away only what their personal abilities and ear training/experience will allow.
I've purchased two mics based on shootouts that sounded exactly like they did in the demo to me. I trust my ears, and often can hear through a so-so shootout. Of course, some suck, but that's not exactly front page news.
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Post by mike on Oct 8, 2019 13:54:05 GMT -6
Stam is testing the new capsules now, so if all is well, the final SA67 version with a T.C. capsule will be ready soon.. can't wait. It's already really good, so the final adjustments could make for some magic there. Stam's made a serious effort here, so I'm rooting for them.
Hey Martin, Any word yet on a timeline for when your SA67 comes to you to test ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 8, 2019 21:01:11 GMT -6
Stam has one of the final edition mics finished now. I’m not sure how soon I’ll be getting one, but I think it will be very soon. I’ll let people know when it’s on the way. Joshua said it sounds amazing now and I believe him. Can’t wait to try it..
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Post by peterhess on Oct 9, 2019 6:07:51 GMT -6
I’m excited too. Pre-ordered the first week after they announced here on RGO. Happy to wait for the TC cap. Some day...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 5:42:44 GMT -6
So, what's the latest on the new capsules and mics? Any info out there?
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 14, 2019 9:35:51 GMT -6
Idk ask Tim? I see him on here..... I have one on order myself Heard they will be shipping in a few weeks.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 14, 2019 12:19:26 GMT -6
I was expecting it soon, but there's some serious unrest in Chile right now, so that may have delayed things a bit. No fault of Stam's though. Give it a little more time.
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