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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 14:20:06 GMT -6
I'm all for self sufficiency, but it often takes money to make that happen, and the people who tended to be the most adversely effected (as is usually the case in these kinds of situations) by that winter storm were the kind of people who couldn't afford a backup generator even if they wanted one or, in many cases, don't even own a home in which they could install a backup generator because, again, they can't afford one. But Lyd vs KH310. Go! Ok. As for the Lyd48, I've never used them. However, based on some of the statements in the thread, I'd be very interested in seeing how my ears would perceive them for the first time after having used the KH310s for a while. I would also be interested in a comparison of my thoughts to someone who's used the Lyd48's for a while and how they perceive the KH310s for the first time. I think it would probably come down to small details. I'll admit though, due to my inherent appreciation for waveguides, dome mids, and seal boxes I don't think I'd be wow'd by the Lyd48s. Then again, I expected to like the Barefoot 01's and ended up greatly disliking them. Ha. I was mostly being facetious about the monitor discussion, as we're already talking about it in that other thread. In any case, I have the Lyd 48s and the KH310s arriving here next week, so I'm looking forward to comparing them in person over a week or two before I send the pair back that doesn't win the shootout.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 14:01:44 GMT -6
I don't, though the idea has been discussed for when we remodel our house. Solar is also being discussed. Though I'm not sure where you're headed with this, I suppose I'd ask you the same? Generator? Solar? I will also add that I wasn't necessarily looking to rehash this discussion, as it's been discussed here at RGO before, and I know you and I and others had differing opinions on the subject. Bottom line, I've just seen too many examples of this laissez faire approach to the market result in benefits to corporations and the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us. You're just not gonna convince me that there don't need to be guardrails in place. I'm a capitalist, but there needs to be rules and regulations. In any case, I have more pressing things to discuss with you, like new monitors. So I'm bowing out of this particular discussion. Well, I'm thinking of a backup generator for myself. One of those tropical storms came up through the gulf and knocked my power out for 5 days. Would have been nice to have some power, but thankfully it was in fall so it wasn't uncomfortable, but it got me thinking about being a lot more self-sufficient. I also wondered if folks (not you in particular) who have claimed texas should have had windmill heaters (not installed because, you know, texas..) and tons of backup systems for a thousand-year storm and a once-in-a-lifetime grid failure also have backup systems installed in their own properties. I'm all for self sufficiency, but it often takes money to make that happen, and the people who tended to be the most adversely effected (as is usually the case in these kinds of situations) by that winter storm were the kind of people who couldn't afford a backup generator even if they wanted one or, in many cases, don't even own a home in which they could install a backup generator because, again, they can't afford one. But Lyd vs KH310. Go!
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 13:38:07 GMT -6
I was simply referring specifically to the penchant in this state to blame renewables when the largest single source of power here is still gas, and those gas facilities failed because of lack of winterization. I just think it's disingenuous of the leaders in this state, who receive heavy campaign contributions from the O&G industry, to try to lay the blame at the feet of renewables, while ignoring that the largest share of any blame lies with gas. An honest question.. Do you have a backup generator installed in your home? I don't, though the idea has been discussed for when we remodel our house. Solar is also being discussed. Though I'm not sure where you're headed with this, I suppose I'd ask you the same? Generator? Solar? I will also add that I wasn't necessarily looking to rehash this discussion, as it's been discussed here at RGO before, and I know you and I and others had differing opinions on the subject. Bottom line, I've just seen too many examples of this laissez faire approach to the market result in benefits to corporations and the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us. You're just not gonna convince me that there don't need to be guardrails in place. I'm a capitalist, but there needs to be rules and regulations. In any case, I have more pressing things to discuss with you, like new monitors. So I'm bowing out of this particular discussion.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 13:12:07 GMT -6
I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test. It's tight. There's no port bloom happening. They might sound a little lacking in bass when compared to something else, but I have yet to have any issues with low end at all. I stopped using my sub with the KH310s because the sub was starting to make me mix too little bass into my mixes. The bass in these has nuance, unlike a lot of other speakers which just have "bass". I've only ever used ported monitors, so I've been curious about how I might intially perceive a sealed cab. I've felt like I can mix a little too bass heavy at times, so I'm curious to see how it goes.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 13:06:27 GMT -6
Texas "exceptionalism".... Haha No lessons were learned after Snowpocalypse 2021. It's totally going to happen again, at which point it will incorrectly be blamed on renewable energy again. 1. Renewables have peak energy times. Generally only about 20-30% of the day. 2. Federal subsidies given to power generation companies create an imbalance in profitability so any company which desires to stay in business ends up taking federal subsidies. 3. Federal subsidies are only for renewable infrastructure so fewer and fewer 100% uptime generation facilities are built and/or maintained. 4. There were fewer gas/coal plants online due to maintaining significant renewable uptime to appease federal subsidy regulators. 5. A thousand year ice storm hit and knocked out main transmission lines. 6. Solar generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 7. Wind generation was 0% due to snow and ice. 8. Gas and coal generation came back online within hours but the transmission lines being down there was no way to get the power to the customers. The failure was not in renewables entirely. The failure is the federal government yet again subsidizing something that causes market turmoil and me-too choices among competition, which removes competition and steers markets away from self-sufficiency towards political pork. Texas may be "unregulated" but they are regulated. I was simply referring specifically to the penchant in this state to blame renewables when the largest single source of power here is still gas, and those gas facilities failed because of lack of winterization. I just think it's disingenuous of the leaders in this state, who receive heavy campaign contributions from the O&G industry, to try to lay the blame at the feet of renewables, while ignoring that the largest share of any blame lies with gas.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 11:36:39 GMT -6
I hear you on the DSP. What about the rest of my post? Dome mids? I value your opinion. I am hesitant to say Dome or cone being better, there are domes I like and for the $ that Dynaudio copy KH uses is a great driver, it’s not a ATC or Volt but that thing is one of the most consistent sample to sample and you will find it in some very expensive speakers, for example the $12K induction dynamics that I literally go hug once a month because I dearly miss their shop manager and my friend Brian. ( Named my new live sub Woofers after his dog Bronco). Domes are a bit trickier to work with the response is useally shaped like a bump where a cone is more often a flatter plateau, but I in general prefer the tonal quality of a dome. Most domes are lighter and seam faster. In general my preference would be for either an a electrostatic , or line source ribbon or Planer, but neither is practical in a studio monitor physically and present a difficult load. OK the Magnepans are a purely resistive load but like the electrostatics inefficient as hell. Speaking in very general terms domes are pretty efficient, most of the better cone mids require 2 to approach the efficiency of a dome. This is where it gets tricky because if you need 2 per cabinet you ideally need 4 with the same response. I don’t really know the Mid Dynaudio is using but Danny (shadow) seams impressed and based on our conversations I have a pretty good idea of his preferences and would endorse a good listen. Now this is where the idea of making a generalization about a drive by type gets you in trouble, in general I would say compression drivers are a major compromise, but then there are the TAD and even the Radian Beryllium diaphragm drivers you can’t have a conversation about the best HF drivers without the TADs ( OK JK maybe the fact that I own 2 very different but still both in the conversation of Best HF drivers out there in house). If those Dynaudios use a variant of the ESOTAR they belong in that conversation. I hope that helps. I will add I personally prefer class A and AB over class D, so the KH have that, but again being the total hypocrite I have 5.4 KW of class H with switching power supplies sitting in the same house as my favorite Class A amp, so call me a living contradiction. I didn't realize that that was a Dyn copy used in the KH310?
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 11:32:29 GMT -6
Quint: I really like domes, too, and I love the mid dome on the 310s. But just as big of a deal to me is that the 310 is the first sealed cabinet I’ve owned, and it turns out I really, really like not having a port. I still think you should try to listen to both the LYD48s and the KH310s in your space if you can swing it. I suspect that would make your decision a lot easier, whether one way or the other. The performance of sealed is addictive, but look at the roll off to see if it is that gentle rounded curve or steeper, if it’s steep they are using EQ. As a builder it is a bit easier to tune out a bit of driver miss match buy tuning the port length. I can’t say either is subjectively better, but I prefer ports, but then I want more lowend. Now anyone know someone with a bunch of 18mm Baltic Birch plywood in stock? I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -6
I live just outside of Dallas. Texas exceptionalism requires the state’s power grid to be independently held together with bailing wire, paper clips, and bobby pins. It is subject to fail at any time. Texas "exceptionalism".... Haha No lessons were learned after Snowpocalypse 2021. It's totally going to happen again, at which point it will incorrectly be blamed on renewable energy again.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 10:07:13 GMT -6
Quint: I really like domes, too, and I love the mid dome on the 310s. But just as big of a deal to me is that the 310 is the first sealed cabinet I’ve owned, and it turns out I really, really like not having a port. I still think you should try to listen to both the LYD48s and the KH310s in your space if you can swing it. I suspect that would make your decision a lot easier, whether one way or the other. The sealed cabinet interested me too. It's also one of the reasons I was considering the Neumann. As for getting them both in house, I actually just ordered both. I'll return whichever pair I like less and then that'll be that. That being said, all of the discussion has still been pretty useful to helping me narrow it down and to get to the point where I know what I'm going to be specifically looking for when I make the comparisons.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:56:49 GMT -6
I don't believe the kh310s have DSP. I don't know that I would say my room is "great" though it is pretty well treated (see the description of my room in my previous post in this thread). So I suppose I still might prefer the 310 for that reason, if the 310 is going to be more forgiving in my not perfect room. What got me going on all of this was your comments about the dome mids. What do you like about done mids in general, versus something like the mid cone drive in the Lyd? This topic interests me just because I know how much I like dome tweeters, so it intrigued me to know more about dome mids and I why I might end up potentially preferring them to a mid cone drive. At this point I assume any active system that doesn’t state it isn’t using DSP is as a designer I respect in the consumer world said the other day it’s just to easy, why wouldn’t you? And it is you can get a respectable sounding box dive into the DSP and make it better without all the prototype a home theater box I was helping a guy with went through 20 crossover revisions, the guys latest with cheap plate amps we tuned in 4 days and could simply plug a memory stick in and compare any of the revisions. Plus your not looking at parts of the filters interacting with other parts. I hear you on the DSP. What about the rest of my post? Dome mids? I value your opinion.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:38:31 GMT -6
The Burl DA doesn’t have transformers Is it the DA or AD that is drawing you to Burl? Or both? I still fancy the idea of one day getting a Mother ship, so I totally get it.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:37:00 GMT -6
Just curious, how big is your room? Also remember power measurements are useless if you don’t know the efficiency of the drivers! Agreed. I know that the wattage on the Dyn Core series is substantially higher than that in the Lyds, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Core series is louder by double or triple or anything like that.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:33:39 GMT -6
Got it. As I looked more at the 310, I was kind of wondering if the slight recess on the mid dome was in fact a wave guide. I'm leaning slightly more towards the 310 at this point, over the Lyd 48, but I'm still kind of wondering about total available volume between these two options. To be more specific, I guess I mean total volume available before things begin to noticeably distort. I know the Lyd does have an option to engage a switch which lowers the overall volume to preserve undistorted bass volume, relative to overall volume. But that, of course, lowers the total volume available, and I do have a somewhat large room (24x30). The 310 has more wattage than the Lyd, not that that is an automatic indicator of it also being louder. Class D amps are also supposed to be more efficient than AB, so that also makes it difficult to try to make a comparison, as the Lyd I'd class D and the 310 is Class AB. [br Yeah I was mistaken that the LyDs do in fact use a cone mid there is a slight wave guide. 310s can be used either way and I’m going to bet the alignment is via both position and DSP. I really would like to spend some time with the Dyns but nobody here seams to have a pair and I don’t know anyone at Dynaudio these days, the way I’m hearing it from those who know both is really this Great room Dynaudio, troublesome room KH. As far as DSP vs physical alignment ideal physical, but if your going to have DSP anyway might as well use it for alignment. Plus DSP will let you smooth out the phase response of the driver physical means your aligned at the crossover point only you have to look at the actual phase response. DSP also means you can get a fairly even phase response and steeper crossover slopes ( playing with phase aligned 48 db per octave slopes in the BSS minidrive with The PAS 12in coax and the radian 12in coax with a 2in compression driver is really fun. Of course the obvious trade off with DSP you have to find DSP with conversion you like, I can’t afford a Lake and a rack full of Mytek but if I could I would. Next week I might just try bring in the PA rack and play with Questeds Omnidrive and 5.4KW of Stewart ( blows my mind still that I can run this rack flat out off of 20 amps 120!) I don't believe the kh310s have DSP. I don't know that I would say my room is "great" though it is pretty well treated (see the description of my room in my previous post in this thread). So I suppose I still might prefer the 310 for that reason, if the 310 is going to be more forgiving in my not perfect room. What got me going on all of this was your comments about the dome mids. What do you like about dome mids in general, versus something like the mid cone drive in the Lyd? This topic interests me just because I know how much I like dome tweeters, so it intrigued me to know more about dome mids and I why I might end up potentially preferring them to a mid cone drive.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:27:44 GMT -6
Got it. As I looked more at the 310, I was kind of wondering if the slight recess on the mid dome was in fact a wave guide. I'm leaning slightly more towards the 310 at this point, over the Lyd 48, but I'm still kind of wondering about total available volume between these two options. To be more specific, I guess I mean total volume available before things begin to noticeably distort. I know the Lyd does have an option to engage a switch which lowers the overall volume to preserve undistorted bass volume, relative to overall volume. But that, of course, lowers the total volume available, and I do have a somewhat large room (24x30). The 310 has more wattage than the Lyd, not that that is an automatic indicator of it also being louder. Class D amps are also supposed to be more efficient than AB, so that also makes it difficult to try to make a comparison, as the Lyd I'd class D and the 310 is Class AB. I've never turned my KH310D's up louder than normal-high listening volume so I can't say if they distort or not at even higher levels. Just curious, how big is your room?
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:26:56 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 17:25:17 GMT -6
That I don’t have it lol. Just borrowed a B2 DAC…think it’s old though so first gen opamps. But it’s definitely a wider soundstage/better separation which is shocking to me. Punchier. More 3D. All the cliches. I mean, it’s not huge huge, but the Convert sounds “flatter” as far as soundstage. The Burl does sound more center mid focused which makes me a tad nervous. Hey John hit up Matt at Ironage and see if he has one of his transformer boxes, you might get close enough to the Burl mojo with the convert or even closer to what you want. Ditto, I was about to say something similar. Not that I'm sure the Burls don't sound great, but I imagine a big part of that is due to the transformers and what not. I have a 2192 (also designed by Rich Williams of Burl) that I also prefer to my Apollo, but I similarly attribute most of what I like about it to the surrounding electronics and not so much the conversion itself. I mean, the 2192 is how old now? I'm not still using it because I think it's on the current (2022) bleeding edge of conversion. I just like the sound.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 15:33:55 GMT -6
I might have to demo Envolution. Though it might be a little too tweaky for my liking. The simplicity of a two knob affair like the transient designer is part of the appeal. I do sort of like the ability to do a little eqing, such as that that the Softube Transient Shaper or Boz Transgressor provides. Maybe I'll like the Envolution after I give it a try. Are there default sort of settings that one can just leave the rest of the knobs on and then just use the two main transient/sustain knobs like you would with a more traditional transient designer? Try Sonnox Oxford Transmod then for simplicity. Transmod seemed like it might be the more complicated one?
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 14:35:24 GMT -6
I've most likely narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 or the kh310. I thought about the Core 47s for a while, but people don't seem to like them that much. I know Audio Science Review beat them up pretty heavily. As for the Core 59s, those are maybe just too much speaker, though I am in a fairly large room. I'm in a 24'x30' room with splayed walls on both sides of the mix position to help create a RFZ. It also has a two foot thick by 8' wide and 8' tall bass trap immediately behind my monitors at the mix position. There's also 12" of treatment on the ceiling above the mix position. So it's fairly well treated, for whatever that's worth. Anyway, just to get some clarification, the Lyd 48s do NOT have a dome mid, do they? You had previously mentioned that they did, but I thought that was maybe said in error? As for the kh310s, I didn't think you could set them up any way other than horizontally? I mean, you "can" do whatever you want. I just mean that they are designed to be placed horizontally and that is it, correct? I definitely have figured out over the years that I like soft dome tweeters. So I thought I might similarly end up liking dome mids if I ever got the chance to use them, regardless of whether or not they also had a wave guide. The kh310 only has a waveguide on the tweeter though, correct? Unless the mid dome has one and it's just really small and I can't see it? I guess I'm just trying to gather as much info as I can to narrow this down. Like I said, at this point I've probably narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 and the kh310, but I'm also open to ideas. If you look at the KH310, the midrange dome is indeed recessed slightly, and the bezel has a slight waveguide. The recess of the tweeter and to a lesser degree, the midrange, serve two purposes. Primary is to time-align the voicecoils and secondary is to allow for some depth of waveguide. (or perhaps the designers prioritized them vice-versa..) The need for a waveguide is much less for midrange frequencies as they don't beam as much. Add in that the midrange is a large dome, and dispersion is naturally much wider than a smaller dome and higher frequencies. I'm sure Neumann (or K+H) engineers modeled dispersion and devised the waveguide attributes to fit the blending of the patterns in the forward space. The KH310 are definitely designed to lay down horizontally. I suppose you can set them on end but the dispersion patterns of the tweeter will now be vertically aligned and not-optimal. The LYD48 has a conical midrange and does not look to have physically time-aligned the drivers at all. they could certainly do it electronically. Digital time-alignment requires DSP and analog time-alignment requires higher-order filters which a lot of purists frown upon. I personally have never really heard the difference, but my preference would be for waveguides and physically aligned drivers for simplicity's sake. Got it. As I looked more at the 310, I was kind of wondering if the slight recess on the mid dome was in fact a wave guide. I'm leaning slightly more towards the 310 at this point, over the Lyd 48, but I'm still kind of wondering about total available volume between these two options. To be more specific, I guess I mean total volume available before things begin to noticeably distort. I know the Lyd does have an option to engage a switch which lowers the overall volume to preserve undistorted bass volume, relative to overall volume. But that, of course, lowers the total volume available, and I do have a somewhat large room (24x30). The 310 has more wattage than the Lyd, not that that is an automatic indicator of it also being louder. Class D amps are also supposed to be more efficient than AB, so that also makes it difficult to try to make a comparison, as the Lyd I'd class D and the 310 is Class AB.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 13:57:37 GMT -6
@ ericn I'm just following up on this again. Do you have any thoughts on this? I’m trying to find someone who has the Dyns so I can spend some time with them. Don’t think in terms of wider or narrower dispersion, think more controlled dispersion depending on the particular wave guide. A waveguide is a horn without a throat that’s all. One thing to listen to though is how low is the waveguide functional? It can get a little strange if the driver is crossed over below the where the wave guide is functional. The Neumann / KH seam to be the new favorite of guys doing video post in poor designed rooms. I was talking to a guy who has been putting the K&H in video rooms who loves the fact the KH wave guides give you 2 different dispersion characters depending if they are horizontal or vertical (unlike Amphions). Me if the room is good I prefer a dome without a waveguide, less of that horn like “honk” but the K&H are pretty “honk” free till you put them next to something without a waveguide. But we have to remember the mighty ATC and Volt domes have a very small wave guide that evens out their dispersion at the drivers upper range. I've most likely narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 or the kh310. I thought about the Core 47s for a while, but people don't seem to like them that much. I know Audio Science Review beat them up pretty heavily. As for the Core 59s, those are maybe just too much speaker, though I am in a fairly large room. I'm in a 24'x30' room with splayed walls on both sides of the mix position to help create a RFZ. It also has a two foot thick by 8' wide and 8' tall bass trap immediately behind my monitors at the mix position. There's also 12" of treatment on the ceiling above the mix position. So it's fairly well treated, for whatever that's worth. Anyway, just to get some clarification, the Lyd 48s do NOT have a dome mid, do they? You had previously mentioned that they did, but I thought that was maybe said in error? As for the kh310s, I didn't think you could set them up any way other than horizontally? I mean, you "can" do whatever you want. I just mean that they are designed to be placed horizontally and that is it, correct? I definitely have figured out over the years that I like soft dome tweeters. So I thought I might similarly end up liking dome mids if I ever got the chance to use them, regardless of whether or not they also had a wave guide. The kh310 only has a waveguide on the tweeter though, correct? Unless the mid dome has a waveguide too, and that small recessed area around the mid dome is also a waveguide? I guess I'm just trying to gather as much info as I can to narrow this down. Like I said, at this point I've probably narrowed it down to the Lyd 48 and the kh310, but I'm also open to ideas.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 12:05:15 GMT -6
So do you (or anyone else reading this) feel like those TDR plugins like Kotelnikov can do just as a good a job as a dedicated transient designer type of plugin? Also, even if they can do as good a job, part of my original inquiry also had to do with ease of use. I like how transient designer types of plugins have a simple interface with basically two knobs. That ease of use is worth something to me, and the reason why I was interested in those types of plugins specifically. Transient designers aren’t based on a threshold, so the function is different than a compressor in that regard. I would turn to a compressor to shape overall high level transients for bus duties a la the SSL G bus comp, and a transient shaper for individual instruments. Sorry I wasn't clear before. My query was based on use for single instruments (primarily drums).
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 10:55:39 GMT -6
So I’m thinking about buying one and going this route, but I’m being told I’ll need an interface with 4x4 AES connectivity. I guess I could also go for something with Dante connectivity…but I wanted to keep the cost down because it’s basically just a dongle to connect the b16 to the computer. My guy mentioned the RME stuff. Any suggestions there? I’m kindve bummed I’ve got to lose the Apollo and learn another interface matrix. Might stop me from doing it. I thought you were liking the whole Luna thing? Though if you wanted to stay on Apollo/Luna, I suppose you could sell your Apollo x6 and just pick up an older Apollo on the cheap to use as a simple way get 8 channels of Burl into and out of Luna. Though you'd need an AES to ADAT format converter too. I'm perfectly happy with the sound of my x16, though I do use a 2192 via AES as well. However, were I committed to the idea of going multichannel Burl, I'd probably be simultaneously going HDX if I still needed a DSP based workflow.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 7:49:24 GMT -6
What do you prefer about the Sonnox stuff? The Transmod hasn't been on my radar really, but I have sort of given thought to the Envolution from time to time. And it is on UAD, which would be an added bonus for me. It’s cleaner tonally and can have way more drastic effects for problem solving. the transmod works a little differently than a traditional spl transient designer, which kills high frequency detail because it’s like a compressor with pretty much. infinite sidechain distortion. transient shapers like a compressor split the audio into audio path (up/Down) and rectified sidechain (all up). Then the sidechain is used to generate a dc control voltage for the voltage controlled amplifier to multiply the audio signal by. Unlike a compressor, there’s no threshold or ratio controls but just smoothing filter, ie attack and release. in a compressor, attack and release are just one crazy complex low pass filter to slow down the rate of change. In a transient designer there are two in a row. One with the attack knob and instant release and then the other with instant attack and the release knob. Then it multiplies the audio path by the difference between them with a lot of program dependencies and smoothing to the filters. But still… we all know what happens when you set a compressor to instant attack or release. Thus a transient designer deadens the sound a bit compared to slow attack for overshoots on a compressor. transmod has a more control over the overshoots and can get cleaner or crazier distorted. Read the manual and Paul Frindle posts for tips. Envolution is more of a traditional transient shaper with the Sonnox harmonic cleanliness and optional distortion but it is far more controllable and better sounding than the spl brainworx plug. It’s not as open up top as the Transmod. A lot of the newer Sonnox stuff (from suppressor on) doesn’t sound as good as the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs and isn’t as low cpu. a More subtle traditional one I like is the transient knob in Klanghelm sdrr2 but it’s often too subtle while Transmod can get crazy overshoots that get overdriven out by it or something down the line for extra crispyness I might have to demo Envolution. Though it might be a little too tweaky for my liking. The simplicity of a two knob affair like the transient designer is part of the appeal. I do sort of like the ability to do a little eqing, such as that that the Softube Transient Shaper or Boz Transgressor provides. Maybe I'll like the Envolution after I give it a try. Are there default sort of settings that one can just leave the rest of the knobs on and then just use the two main transient/sustain knobs like you would with a more traditional transient designer?
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 7:23:21 GMT -6
I love Izotope for that. A lot of companies kind of have these portfolios of "Everything you need!!!" But then most of it is just terrible.
The really impressive thing of Izotope is they have "everything you need" and most of it actually sounds pretty damn good.
Yes you can exceed them in specialty cases, or whatever, but they're a great all-round company. For my money, probably exceeding Fab Filter. For my taste and dollars anyway.
Definitely. I’m really happy that I went in on all 3 Advanced versions when they were selling them for $150. Tonal Balance and Ozone get the most use for the mastering, saturation, and bus tools, but Neutron has the transient shaper and masking EQ, and Nectar has a chorus that is nice for the 80s Harmonizer effect. The only reason why I don’t use more of the bread and butter processors in there is because Slick EQ, Kotelnikov, etc, are already integrated into my work flow and I can get results very fast there. So do you (or anyone else reading this) feel like those TDR plugins like Kotelnikov can do just as a good a job as a dedicated transient designer type of plugin? Also, even if they can do as good a job, part of my original inquiry also had to do with ease of use. I like how transient designer types of plugins have a simple interface with basically two knobs. That ease of use is worth something to me, and the reason why I was interested in those types of plugins specifically.
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Post by Quint on Jul 5, 2022 16:00:02 GMT -6
He finally put together a nice demo video of what these can do.
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Post by Quint on Jul 5, 2022 13:07:02 GMT -6
This could mean more sustainability for Merging. (On a side note - if you do not want your company to merge, don't name it "merging." ) You also have to understand that the only real retirement fund for the owners of many of these companies is, the company itself. You would be shocked at how often the owners of these companies keep going simply because that is all they have. And it's a narrative that happens all the time. 1. Company A invents/produces/sells a cool product(s), with great customer service to boot. 2. Company A grows and grows and develops a dedicated customer base. 3. The owner of Company A wants to retire, so they sell to Company B or go public as a way to pull cash out of the business to retire on. 4. Company B is run by bean counters with little or no interest in the longevity of the product and no historical context of the "brand" and the type of service that customers have come to expect. 5. Company B does away with quality customer service, cheaps out on the product itself, and generally runs the brand into the ground, eventually selling it off for parts. 6. Customers are sad. I'm not saying that will happen here, by the way, with Merging and Sennheiser. But this sort of thing does happen a lot. Or, like you said, the owner just stays with the company until they basically die.
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