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Post by Quint on Jul 24, 2022 22:00:55 GMT -6
So these JBL "mains" that I'm wanting to put in are 4410s. When I built out my studio, I left a space directly behind my console to eventually put in some soffit (flush) mounted monitors. The intent of this area was also to act as a rather large bass trap. So I may try to do a traditional flush mount, but it's more likely that I end up doing a "soft soffit", as it's called. Now I realize that 4410s may not be traditionally thought of as "mains" monitors, but they are certainly bigger than my near fields. Also, this is intended to be a bit of proof of concept for me for if/when I ever do get a full set of flush mounted mains like some ATCs or something. Additionally, I have some space constraint issues behind my console and flush mounting (sinking them into the bass traps) the JBLs will help in that regard, rather than trying to use them side by side with my nearfields. So I recognize that these JBLs may not end up sounding quite like I'd like them to, once flush mounted. Maybe they will though. In any case, that's still okay because it would still help provide me with some proof of concept for future endeavors and would also at least provide a nice set of relatively loud monitors that I can use during tracking, and then switch over to the nearfields for mixing. All of this, mind you, while also saving on space behind my console. As for mocking up, yes, that's the idea first. I'm mostly just doing my homework ahead of time for the motorized desk leg thing, to make sure I have some fleshed out ideas ready to go. I probably won't get around to actually trying that until after I get my JBLs flush mounted, which should finally be happening in the near future. Actually in the day a fair amount of 4410’s were mounted in traditional soffits and flush mounted. It was one of the favorites of guys who couldn’t afford the big boys, plus a hard flush mount gave them a nice bump in the lowend. I almost bought a pair a couple of years ago, could have probably made some good money flipping them today! That's in line with what I've heard about the 4410s. I bought them a few years ago for really cheap, always with the ultimate plan of flush mounting them. I'm just now finally getting around to it. But now that I'm also getting a nice set of nearfields, I don't want them to conflict with the JBLs, hence the proposal to use the desk legs.
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Post by Quint on Jul 24, 2022 20:56:14 GMT -6
Yeah, I know many consider that to be soffits, but all the old school guys I know call it flush, Symantecs. Even then I really would suggest playing with a simple mock up first, your probably going to find you want the motorized stands, but you also might discover the theoretical triangle isn’t ideal and your not blocking the Mains. worse yet everyone knows that one guy who did what your planing to do and finds the position of the mains just doesn’t work! So these JBL "mains" that I'm wanting to put in are 4410s. When I built out my studio, I left a space directly behind my console to eventually put in some soffit (flush) mounted monitors. The intent of this area was also to act as a rather large bass trap. So I may try to do a traditional flush mount, but it's more likely that I end up doing a "soft soffit", as it's called. Now I realize that 4410s may not be traditionally thought of as "mains" monitors, but they are certainly bigger than my near fields. Also, this is intended to be a bit of proof of concept for me for if/when I ever do get a full set of flush mounted mains like some ATCs or something. Additionally, I have some space constraint issues behind my console and flush mounting (sinking them into the bass traps) the JBLs will help in that regard, rather than trying to use them side by side with my nearfields. So I recognize that these JBLs may not end up sounding quite like I'd like them to, once flush mounted. Maybe they will though. In any case, that's still okay because it would still help provide me with some proof of concept for future endeavors and would also at least provide a nice set of relatively loud monitors that I can use during tracking, and then switch over to the nearfields for mixing. All of this, mind you, while also saving on space behind my console. As for mocking up, yes, that's the idea first. I'm mostly just doing my homework ahead of time for the motorized desk leg thing, to make sure I have some fleshed out ideas ready to go. I probably won't get around to actually trying that until after I get my JBLs flush mounted, which should finally be happening in the near future.
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Post by Quint on Jul 24, 2022 18:56:57 GMT -6
Well the whole point behind going this route would be because I specifically would want to be able to lower the near fields out of the way of some JBLs I've been meaning to soffit mount one of these days. If I wasn't ever going to soffit mount those JBLs, then I would agree, but it would be nice to be able to easily alternate between the near fields and soffit mains with a push of a button. And I'm not sure what you mean about calibration. The nice thing about using a motorized desk as a starting point is that both of the legs raise and lower together, meaning that both monitors would also raise and lower to the same heights together. If your mounting them in true soffits up high rather than flush at ear level you probably won’t have any problems, the 2 times I have heard a near field really affecting the sound of sofit mounted Westlake copies with the horn below the 2 15ins JBLs a simple hf boost on the crossover took care of the issue . I would check your angles in sketchup before I worried to much, even maybe make some quick stands out of 2x4 or PVC to see if I had an issue. Don’t get me wrong in theory you could have an issue but I would verify before throwing money at it. I'm not mounting them up high though. They will be down low at ear level, directly behind where my near fields sit.
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2022 20:28:25 GMT -6
One downside of these is that they would have to be adjusted independently, and it would be nice to just got one button and have everything go where you want it. Agreed, but think of the cost and calibration that would be involved! This where you cut a stick to your ideal height and count the money in your wallet! Well the whole point behind going this route would be because I specifically would want to be able to lower the near fields out of the way of some JBLs I've been meaning to soffit mount one of these days. If I wasn't ever going to soffit mount those JBLs, then I would agree, but it would be nice to be able to easily alternate between the near fields and soffit mains with a push of a button. And I'm not sure what you mean about calibration. The nice thing about using a motorized desk as a starting point is that both of the legs raise and lower together, meaning that both monitors would also raise and lower to the same heights together.
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2022 20:13:06 GMT -6
I was looking further at the Monoprice options posted by Winetree. I don't know if this one would be sturdy enough, depending on your monitor speaker, but you could place it in more locations. And the price for two wouldn't be so bad compared to other choices. www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=36079One downside of these is that they would have to be adjusted independently, and it would be nice to just got one button and have everything go where you want it.
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2022 19:27:12 GMT -6
The more I've listened to these Neumann's the more I think I might go with those and send the Lyds back. It's not that I don't like the Lyds, but the KH310s just have a solidity to them that I enjoy, and that's at least due in part to the sealed cab. I'm really liking the tightness in the low end of the KH310 versus the Lyd. And the mids on the KH310 are real nice too.
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Post by Quint on Jul 21, 2022 8:29:43 GMT -6
Yeah I think you guys convinced me this is not the piece for me. I get annoyed enough keeping modern outboard gear up and running! If anyone is interested, the excellent Anne Gauthier at La La Land is selling it for $2500. For the right person its definitely a great deal! Heres the studio: La La LandTape Machine: Ampex 440 8 TrackMan, I really like the vibe of that studio. If I'm ever in Louisville, I'll have to check it out. As for the 440, I always wanted either an AG440 8 track or a MM1200 16 track, but I think that ship has mostly sailed for me. Using tape just seems to be such an uphill battle these days and I've got too many other irons in the fire to deal with upkeep of a tape machine at this point, unfortunately.
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 19:34:16 GMT -6
I have yet to fall in love with any AMT “ folded Ribbon”. Understood, neither have I but the price / performance etc. is pretty hard to ignore. Worth a demo at least if I can get one..
The issue with the Core 59's is physical size, they're quite costly and bass dispersion can be somewhat problematic. Although it's a big driver for a 38Hz response, very clean distortion wise and the phantom centre / surround is fantastic. LMF / mids are eerie in terms of clarity even if they do stand out a bit..
They're not perfect but I guess no monitor truly is and besides the HEDD's there's nothing really else to try. I really liked the Neumman's / LYD's but they're not on the same level as the Core 59 which punch upwards..
If there's a cheaper and smaller monitor you can think of that'll give the Core's a run for their money let me know.
I thought you were done and had your "I'm good for the next 20 years" pair of monitors in the Core 59s?
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 17:13:43 GMT -6
I appreciate the suggestion but, at this point, I think I've narrowed it down to the two pair I have on hand and I'm going to make my decision based on that. I was talking about me, still got the LYD's in another room so I can do a comparison .. Oh, I know. I just meant that I wasn't going to add another monitor to the mix at this point. One of these two is staying and the other is going.
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 15:48:18 GMT -6
I looked at those HEDDs but never seriously considered them because I really like soft dome tweeters and pretty much kept my search to monitors with those. From what I've heard the AMT's are nothing like Adam's setup, they're quite "laid back" as opposed to pokey from the reviews. I'll see if I can get a demo, tried before but I was more focussed on the Neumann's at the time.. I appreciate the suggestion but, at this point, I think I've narrowed it down to the two pair I have on hand and I'm going to make my decision based on that.
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 15:17:35 GMT -6
So after having some days to just listen to the Neumann's, I'm coming around to their merits, so I'm glad I've stuck this out and didn't just put them back in the box. In the next few days, I'm going to put the Lyds back up and see how that goes, but, at the very least, I don't think the Lyds are going to be an obvious winner or maybe even a winner at all. I'm actually suspecting that I will like the Neumann's better, but we'll see. There are things that I'm really liking about them. Apologies if I'm muddying the waters here Quint but have you considered the HEDD type 20 MK2 as well? 32Hz, closed or ported and an in-built phase linearity system. Even after the Core's I'm a tad bit interested. I looked at those HEDDs but never seriously considered them because I really like soft dome tweeters and pretty much kept my search to monitors with those.
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 13:26:43 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2022 9:46:30 GMT -6
I'm totally thinking of giving this a try. It seems pretty cool and it's way cheaper than the Space Lab Lift stands that I've seen for $1600.
I figure I could do this for $500, all in, and have a pair of stands that are not only sturdy but also will allow me to move the monitors out of the way of my larger monitors behind them (whenever I get them set up one of these days...).
I imagine I'd orient the monitors in the opposite direction from how he has them oriented, and I don't think I'd mess with the cable management thing he used. Still, this might be pretty cool.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 17:53:10 GMT -6
So after having some days to just listen to the Neumann's, I'm coming around to their merits, so I'm glad I've stuck this out and didn't just put them back in the box. In the next few days, I'm going to put the Lyds back up and see how that goes, but, at the very least, I don't think the Lyds are going to be an obvious winner or maybe even a winner at all. I'm actually suspecting that I will like the Neumann's better, but we'll see. There are things that I'm really liking about them. Regardless of what you ultimately decide, I have admired your patience. The ones you keep will definitely be the right ones for you. Thanks man, and I agree.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 17:33:37 GMT -6
So how does one "stop" using Rosetta? I know that I was asked to download it when I first encountered something that needed to use it but, how do I tell if something is currently being run using Rosetta or if it still needs to be run using Rosetta?
If it's able to run natively, will a plugin or whatever just automatically do that once it's been updated to do so or is there something I have to do? Does Rosetta run globally for everything (all or nothing kind of deal) or does it only run for those plugins or apps that need it, and then individually quit running for those plugins/apps when they don't need it anymore?
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 17:06:45 GMT -6
So after having some days to just listen to the Neumann's, I'm coming around to their merits, so I'm glad I've stuck this out and didn't just put them back in the box.
In the next few days, I'm going to put the Lyds back up and see how that goes, but, at the very least, I don't think the Lyds are going to be an obvious winner or maybe even a winner at all. I'm actually suspecting that I will like the Neumann's better, but we'll see. There are things that I'm really liking about them.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 16:27:37 GMT -6
IF, a fixed stand were at the same height as the cheapo stands I have right now, I'd be fine with fixed, as that height is just about right. I was just trying to future proof a bit so that I could always adjust it, as needed in the future. I get it, I have the stands I specifically ordered for use with the Otari Status in storage, can’t bring myself to sell them, waiting on my local welder to catch up for a custom pair for the Quested 3 ways. I looked at Sound anchor s again price wasn’t to bad till I got the shipping quote! Sweetwater quotes me $54 for shipping on FedEx Ground, so I don't think that's bad, considering the weight.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 16:12:46 GMT -6
If you want adjustable nothing better, but I’m cheap and the fixed has a slight advantage as far as isolation and stability. That said when it comes to the fixed stands there is no rocket science involved and pretty much any welder can throw together a decent clone. Oh and the shipping cost will bring you to tears. IF, a fixed stand were at the same height as the cheapo stands I have right now, I'd be fine with fixed, as that height is just about right. I was just trying to future proof a bit so that I could always adjust it, as needed in the future.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 16:11:10 GMT -6
I have an offshoot of of the ADJ2 (custom made for Dutch & Dutch 8C's) & solid as anything I've ever seen. There's actually somebody selling a pair of those 8Cs, with what I assume are the exact same stands, here in Austin right now.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2022 14:09:15 GMT -6
This seems to be the most popular Sound Anchors model out there, though the ADJ4 does interest me as well because of the shape and orientation of it's base legs and also because you can adjust it horizontally whereas you can't do that with the ADJ2.
Are these things still considered top of the heap these days? I did look at the Space Lab Lift, which seemed cool because it's motozised and can be lowered out of the way, if need be.
I'm not wanting to spend >$1,000 but that seems to be what this stuff costs, and I have too much other stuff going on to take on another diy project.
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Post by Quint on Jul 15, 2022 11:49:11 GMT -6
my 9 year old has discovered these clown type dudes with puppets and stuffed animals who add heavy fuzz plugins to their voice, which is the loudest possible full scale assault. No matter how much you turn it down they are still screaming. It makes me wonder if lower they are always going through some sort of fuzz just at lower settings? e: Or do you mean just music? Mastering is pretty HOTTT these days,.. I watch a lot of ‘needle drop’ vinyl to get my ears ready for the session, maybe see if those are any better? I'm talking about just the videos in general, not necessarily anything music specific.
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Post by Quint on Jul 15, 2022 11:42:03 GMT -6
Why can't I get YouTube Volume figured out? I'm not talking about mixing for YouTube. I'm talking about why, no matter how hard I seem to try, it's always so loud as fuck when I go to watch videos. Is there some trick I'm missing? I just don't want YT to blow everything up everytime I play videos. Does the YouTube volume slider not stay where you last left it? Yeah. It maybe stays some of the time, but not always. Sometimes I pull it up and it is at max volume. Which brings me to the second problem. The max volume on YT seems to be so much louder than the volume on other apps that it makes the random nature of the volume slider an even bigger problem.
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Post by Quint on Jul 15, 2022 9:31:22 GMT -6
Great mic. I'm upset I only have 1 and it's an older one (the guy I bought it from said 60s). I'd absolutely love to have 4 or 5 more that match. I think these would be killer on toms. I don't think I'd stick it in a kick simply because I can't risk it blowing up as they've been rumored to do. It's great on snare. Great on a vocal. Great on a guitar amp. Great on a bass amp. Great on aux percussion. I think it would be great on a fiddle but every time I've had a bowed instrument in here it's normally all happening in such a rush that I'm not about to spend time speculatively trying a mic. It's just so damn good. Yes. Just be aware that the old ones are more fragile than the current version. And do not allow it to fall face down. Do the new ones and old ones sound the same?
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 22:37:58 GMT -6
Quint I’m not sure what mine are set at - I can check tomorrow. But I *think* I ended up leaving them flat. I was going to say a couple things before you lifted the top by +1: First, it sounds as though you may have found your speaker in the LYD48s, which would be awesome! Secondly, I was going to recommend something that I don’t hear many other people mention, but it’s helped me over the years. Since you’re able to continue trying both of these for awhile, and you’re suspicious about the Dynaudio “sound” being “normal” for you, I would recommend putting the Dyns away for a whole week. Stop comparing the speakers. Just put the KH310s up, and play them like crazy for the next week. Listen to them in the background when you’re doing other stuff. Listen to them intently, paying super close attention. Turn them up and listen to them casually from the other room. Play guitar for fun while listening to them. Get lost in some records you’ve haven’t listened to in a long time. Etc. Etc. Etc. Just listen to them constantly and see if over the course of a week, your ears begin to “re-normalize,” as it were. Then after a week, put the Dyns back up and see what happens. If you say, “whoa, these Dyns sound weird,” then you’ve got a contest on your hands. If, on the other hand, you say, “Ahhhhhhh, that feels better,” then put the Neumanns back in their boxes and send ’em back. Funny you mention that. I'm actually doing EXACTLY that. I've been listening to all kinds of shit on the 310s, and plan to continue doing so for the coming days. I want to get away from the Lyds for a while and see how the 310s treat me. My plan is to do this for the next week and see how I feel after that. I will say I'm noticing that, as I get further away from the sense memory of the Lyds or my current Dyns, I "might" be coming around to the 310s. I've also gone back to the flat setting on the 310s and think I prefer it to the +1dB treble setting. It just felt a little off kilter the more I listened to it, even if it sounded better at first. I DO think I prefer the bass on the 310s and I'm coming around to the rest of the frequency spectrum. I'm currently doing a little Blood Sugar Sex Magik and enjoying it. What input and output settings on the back do you have yours set at?
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 21:24:29 GMT -6
For those of you with kh310s, or who have at least used or tried them, to what degree did you adjust any of the eq settings on the back versus flat? I'm asking because, though I know Neumann recommends flat settings for studio environments, I've been messing around with the +1dB treble setting on the kh310s and been "maybe" getting better results. The jury is still out, but it's a little closer in the high end to what the Lyds do at a flat setting. Which then opens Pandora's box as far as what I might be able to achieve with either the Lyd OR kh310 if a Sonarworks/Trinnov/Dirac/etc. comes into play... I just checked mine and I have the tweeters set to +1 and the rest at 0. I turned the tweeters to +1 some time ago because I was always mixing a little too much high end in and my cymbals would be too crispy. Hmmm... Interesting. Testing continues. I will say though, with the +1dB treble setting, the distortion in the high end seems a little higher. I need to play around with the input and output settings some more, I guess. Edit: Lowering the output switch on the back from 100 to 94 seems to maybe have helped a little.
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