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Post by Quint on Jun 2, 2019 21:41:09 GMT -6
My control room is tiny. I have the monitors about 4 feet apart with a little bit of toe in. My control room is isn’t very deep, so i have the monitors a few inches off the wall. Norman said this is actually okay since you just hear the direct reflection of the bass so it acts like it’s sort of pseudo soffit mounted. If you PM me your email address, I can send some pictures. The fans on mine are pretty quiet. I’ve never been bothered by them. I have my power amp in a rack case under my console and I can’t say it’s bothered me. I don’t have a dedicated equipment room and my Mac and HDX card are both louder than the power amp. I know Norman has a silent version of his SSL power supply now, so I bet he could recommend some replacement fans if it’s bothering you. He’s extremely helpful and approachable, so I wouldn’t hesitate to reach out to him. I can PM you contact info if you haven’t already spoken with him. What console do you have there?
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Post by jasontodd on Jun 2, 2019 22:05:03 GMT -6
My control room is tiny. I have the monitors about 4 feet apart with a little bit of toe in. My control room is isn’t very deep, so i have the monitors a few inches off the wall. Norman said this is actually okay since you just hear the direct reflection of the bass so it acts like it’s sort of pseudo soffit mounted. If you PM me your email address, I can send some pictures. The fans on mine are pretty quiet. I’ve never been bothered by them. I have my power amp in a rack case under my console and I can’t say it’s bothered me. I don’t have a dedicated equipment room and my Mac and HDX card are both louder than the power amp. I know Norman has a silent version of his SSL power supply now, so I bet he could recommend some replacement fans if it’s bothering you. He’s extremely helpful and approachable, so I wouldn’t hesitate to reach out to him. I can PM you contact info if you haven’t already spoken with him. What console do you have there? It’s a Neotek 1e.
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Post by Quint on Jun 2, 2019 22:52:12 GMT -6
What console do you have there? It’s a Neotek 1e. Nice console.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 7, 2019 12:00:56 GMT -6
Been spending some more time on these. They have a really solid center image. Pushing them against the back wall and spreading them out has helped with gaining a sense of space. They were feeling a bit smeared and congested when I had them up close. Also, the trim knobs on the back are brilliant for balancing the sub volume with the mid/tweeter. Not sure why it's not just a sub volume. Kinda backwards, but it works! The sub crosses over at 120hz. The three way selector switch on the back is for mids (800-2K, I think). Either flat, recessed or boosted. Subtle, nothing dramatic, but noticeable. I guess boosted if you need that extra push or like mid-forward monitors. Makes the vocals come forward a bit more. They are different from the One15's in their presentation. The image is kinda out in front of you, wehere I find the image of the One15's coming toward you more. They have a really solid bottom end. Still trying to work through their transient response, i.e. how fast they are. Being 6.5", I'm guessing they are slower than the smaller One15's. PLENTY of headroom. And I mean PLENTY. I can crank these to the point of hurting. I am also still working through my assessment of their detail. How easy do I sense space, reverb tails, etc.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2020 13:41:15 GMT -6
What do you all think of a sub that crosses over at 120hz? In my case, built in sub in each monitor, making stereo subs. Comparing these to Amphion One15s.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2020 16:43:10 GMT -6
These are very different sounding monitors. It's very hard to parse out what my room is doing vs the monitor. The Atomics have more resolution/depth. They sound bigger (because they are). But it's more than that. The top on the Atomics is more open. There is a boxiness to the Amphions by comparison. I ran an REW sweep and it's bloated in the 150-300 range or so. By contrast, the Atomics are scooped in the 100-200 or so. But again, that's probably my room, so how do I separate that when evaluating monitors? I wish I could get the Atomics up a little more flat in that region because the Amphions sound a little more solid there, even though it's boxy. I can't tell if it's phasey with the Atomics or if it's phasey with the Amphions. Which is more true? Neither? Damnit. I wish I had a flat room. I have treatment out the wazu. I will say the Atomics go LOW. REW says they go down far below the Amphions.
The Atomics are far more open sounding.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2020 16:47:49 GMT -6
And then theres speaker positioning. I just pulled the Amphions back and apart more and now that boxiness is drastically reduced. The center on the Amphions are really solid. Almost sounds mono in comparison!
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2020 18:22:16 GMT -6
I've been listening to Gregory Porter's Musical Genocide. I also made a sonarworks profile for both the Atomic and Amphion, trying to make them as even as I can.
There's more depth to the Atomics. Everything seems more dimensional. I can separate the bass and the low piano notes during the verses better on the Atomics. That piano just seems more round. Amphions felt a little flat by comparison. Same for the horns. They just all feel more 3d on the Atomics. Like there is a little air around them or something. Hard to describe. The reverb has more depth as well.
I feel like the center on the amphions is more solid, though.
Also, the vocal is more pointed/pokey on the Atomics. Feels smoother on the Amphions.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 26, 2020 18:27:00 GMT -6
How do your mixes translate on them? Do you have them long enough to do a mix comparison?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 27, 2020 15:00:18 GMT -6
How do your mixes translate on them? Do you have them long enough to do a mix comparison? Not a proper one. This is the first time I've had them up side by side. Comparing monitors is so tedious and time consuming. Then I get anxiety thinking about my rooms affect and how much it sucks. And then I'm like "are these the best speakers and I'm not getting the full picture because of my shitty room and this giant 100hz hole I'm sitting in? Or is it the 120hz crossover to the sub that's causing this hole?"
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Post by dankin on Jan 27, 2020 15:33:02 GMT -6
How do your mixes translate on them? Do you have them long enough to do a mix comparison? Not a proper one. This is the first time I've had them up side by side. Comparing monitors is so tedious and time consuming. Then I get anxiety thinking about my rooms affect and how much it sucks. And then I'm like "are these the best speakers and I'm not getting the full picture because of my shitty room and this giant 100hz hole I'm sitting in? Or is it the 120hz crossover to the sub that's causing this hole?" I don't think the crossover at 120 has anything to do with it. It's probably just room dimensions more than anything. I've worked out of 5 different rooms over the past 10-12 years. All home type rooms of various sizes, with several different sets of monitors, Pro Ac's, Focal's, Amphions, Subs, no Subs, etc...all of them have had significant issues in the 60-120 or so range. This is with a lot of treatment. I do think that separate subs are more flexible in these kind of spaces than 3 way full range monitors, although they have their own issues to work out. I also bought a Trinnov a few years ago, and that made a huge difference.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 27, 2020 15:59:43 GMT -6
Not a proper one. This is the first time I've had them up side by side. Comparing monitors is so tedious and time consuming. Then I get anxiety thinking about my rooms affect and how much it sucks. And then I'm like "are these the best speakers and I'm not getting the full picture because of my shitty room and this giant 100hz hole I'm sitting in? Or is it the 120hz crossover to the sub that's causing this hole?" I don't think the crossover at 120 has anything to do with it. It's probably just room dimensions more than anything. I've worked out of 5 different rooms over the past 10-12 years. All home type rooms of various sizes, with several different sets of monitors, Pro Ac's, Focal's, Amphions, Subs, no Subs, etc...all of them have had significant issues in the 60-120 or so range. This is with a lot of treatment. I do think that separate subs are more flexible in these kind of spaces than 3 way full range monitors, although they have their own issues to work out. I also bought a Trinnov a few years ago, and that made a huge difference. I have been talking with Jeff Hedbeck and considering hiring him to help with my room. I hope there is improvement.
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Post by dankin on Jan 27, 2020 16:53:45 GMT -6
I don't think the crossover at 120 has anything to do with it. It's probably just room dimensions more than anything. I've worked out of 5 different rooms over the past 10-12 years. All home type rooms of various sizes, with several different sets of monitors, Pro Ac's, Focal's, Amphions, Subs, no Subs, etc...all of them have had significant issues in the 60-120 or so range. This is with a lot of treatment. I do think that separate subs are more flexible in these kind of spaces than 3 way full range monitors, although they have their own issues to work out. I also bought a Trinnov a few years ago, and that made a huge difference. I have been talking with Jeff Hedbeck and considering hiring him to help with my room. I hope there is improvement. I'd love to know how that turns out.
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Post by jsteiger on Jan 27, 2020 18:27:26 GMT -6
I don't think the crossover at 120 has anything to do with it. It's probably just room dimensions more than anything. I've worked out of 5 different rooms over the past 10-12 years. All home type rooms of various sizes, with several different sets of monitors, Pro Ac's, Focal's, Amphions, Subs, no Subs, etc...all of them have had significant issues in the 60-120 or so range. This is with a lot of treatment. I do think that separate subs are more flexible in these kind of spaces than 3 way full range monitors, although they have their own issues to work out. I also bought a Trinnov a few years ago, and that made a huge difference. I have been talking with Jeff Hedbeck and considering hiring him to help with my room. I hope there is improvement. Jeff is the man! He's the blue collar acoustician. I know folks like dandeurloo and drbill will agree!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 28, 2020 23:39:51 GMT -6
I've been listening to Gregory Porter's Musical Genocide. I also made a sonarworks profile for both the Atomic and Amphion, trying to make them as even as I can. There's more depth to the Atomics. Everything seems more dimensional. I can separate the bass and the low piano notes during the verses better on the Atomics. That piano just seems more round. Amphions felt a little flat by comparison. Same for the horns. They just all feel more 3d on the Atomics. Like there is a little air around them or something. Hard to describe. The reverb has more depth as well. I feel like the center on the amphions is more solid, though. Also, the vocal is more pointed/pokey on the Atomics. Feels smoother on the Amphions. Aren’t these like thousands of dollars difference in pricing? And do you not need a sub with the 15s?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 29, 2020 11:00:46 GMT -6
I've been listening to Gregory Porter's Musical Genocide. I also made a sonarworks profile for both the Atomic and Amphion, trying to make them as even as I can. There's more depth to the Atomics. Everything seems more dimensional. I can separate the bass and the low piano notes during the verses better on the Atomics. That piano just seems more round. Amphions felt a little flat by comparison. Same for the horns. They just all feel more 3d on the Atomics. Like there is a little air around them or something. Hard to describe. The reverb has more depth as well. I feel like the center on the amphions is more solid, though. Also, the vocal is more pointed/pokey on the Atomics. Feels smoother on the Amphions. Aren’t these like thousands of dollars difference in pricing? And do you not need a sub with the 15s? True, theres a price difference. I’m trying not to let that bias me and see what works best in my room. I tend to think that I ought to like something better because it’s more expensive or because other people speak very highly of it. More often than not I think I get tripped up by that when evaluating. Or even not evaluating something thorough enough and using that stuff as shortcuts for actually putting in the time. Take the Atomics. I mean, friggin Vance Powell has them in his control room, among others! I can’t justify keeping both. And it worked out that I ended up paying well over $1k less for the Atomics than I did for the Amphion setup (ridiculous good deal). All the more reason for me to be biased towards the Atomics. Anyways, I think my room is getting in the way of hearing these properly. I hope they are not too much monitor for my room. I had the Atomics up late last night listening to Radiohead “In Rainbows”. I closed my eyes and just let the soundscape lay itself out. Mentally, I could envision the placement, even the depth. It was really nice. Maybe not as detailed as I remember the ATC SCM25’s were (but to be fair, that was years ago). Then I switched out the Atomics (heavy beasts! Not fun!) and put up the One15’s. I didn’t get that same sense. Definitely not as deep or encompassing. Slightly less detail. Way less bass.
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2020 21:56:04 GMT -6
How do your mixes translate on them? Do you have them long enough to do a mix comparison? Not a proper one. This is the first time I've had them up side by side. Comparing monitors is so tedious and time consuming. Then I get anxiety thinking about my rooms affect and how much it sucks. And then I'm like "are these the best speakers and I'm not getting the full picture because of my shitty room and this giant 100hz hole I'm sitting in? Or is it the 120hz crossover to the sub that's causing this hole?" It could be a combination of a dip around the crossover freq and your room. That’s the thing about speakers and rooms what works in one may be doggie doo do in another, but play with position, play with position play with position and oh yeah play with position. Good luck man.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 25, 2021 6:48:38 GMT -6
Still loving my Atomic SixTens! I sent Misty Druce the Vance Powell studio tour video where he shows off his Atomic monitors. She let me know that their SixTens are on sale with a $750 discount right now. These are definitely worth considering if anyone is in the market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 10:24:04 GMT -6
Do these have a digital crossover? I want to avoid that in my next pair of monitors. Kills detail because the converters are never as good as what you already own if there’s a digital input and there’s an additional phase shift and color from the adc and da if there’s only an analog input.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 10:29:05 GMT -6
Do these have a digital crossover? I want to avoid that in my next pair of monitors. Kills detail because the converters are never as good as what you already own if there’s a digital input and there’s an additional phase shift and color from the adc and da if there’s only an analog input. I agree but I’ll share an expensive dirty little secret, The XTA and Dolby/ Lake / Clair boxes have pretty good converters and optional AES I/O
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 25, 2021 12:20:33 GMT -6
Do these have a digital crossover? I want to avoid that in my next pair of monitors. Kills detail because the converters are never as good as what you already own if there’s a digital input and there’s an additional phase shift and color from the adc and da if there’s only an analog input. No, analog input. Comes with external power amp.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2021 12:27:05 GMT -6
Do these have a digital crossover? I want to avoid that in my next pair of monitors. Kills detail because the converters are never as good as what you already own if there’s a digital input and there’s an additional phase shift and color from the adc and da if there’s only an analog input. No, analog input. Comes with external power amp. It still might be DSP, but from what I have read I’ll bet it’s analog.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 25, 2021 14:35:53 GMT -6
No, analog input. Comes with external power amp. It still might be DSP, but from what I have read I’ll bet it’s analog. There are two crossovers. One for the sub that’s in the amp. And the mid/tweeter crossover is inside the cabinet. I don’t think either is digital.
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