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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 28, 2019 7:45:16 GMT -6
Well done Peter. The mix is excellent. I was thinking exactly what Donr was thinking about the vocal. I think the bass is just fine where it is, it’s already quite prominent. I’d put the whistle “solo” in the center at first, then pan right when the other parts come in. If you really want to get a bit more excitement, then a Hammond B3 part would suit the track really well, but I think you’ve got it, just tweak the vocal sound to be a bit more unusual to give the track a more distinctive sound.
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 17:17:59 GMT -6
Once again I am mesmerised by your incredible voice and ability to bring me into the room with you, your ability to tell the story. Hey @iamsound thanks mate for the lovely compliment, and thanks for downloading and listening bud. cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 17:19:53 GMT -6
Posting as a Peter Knight fan since first hearing him, I want to hear Peter's voice here more compressed and out front, as if he were singing about 24-30 inches away from me. I need to hear the man's accepted resignation to his passion and his weariness in this song up close. Since the elements and vocal delivery are crisp and precise in this tune, I'd try a little rolled off dub echo on the vocal and even slow the tempo of the echo a hair from the triplet to let the vocal vibe drag the track a bit. Like the music is carrying him on, just like in the song lyric. Peter is really good at this type of song. Hi donrthanks for checking it out and commenting mate, the feedback is just so helpful. I have a Stamchild coming, I am aching (pun intended) to try that on my vocals... I am definitely going to give what you suggest a try, as I can absolutely get what you are saying. What is a dub echo? thanks again Wiz
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -6
Wiz and I, at his initiative, have had a couple chats about lcr mixing. I find I like it’s clarity. Also, the big thing for me, as I write and overdub etc, is I tend to "Create" the parts with LCR firmly planted in my mind, so I arrange for LCR. Cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -6
Well done Peter. The mix is excellent. I was thinking exactly what Donr was thinking about the vocal. I think the bass is just fine where it is, it’s already quite prominent. I’d put the whistle “solo” in the center at first, then pan right when the other parts come in. If you really want to get a bit more excitement, then a Hammond B3 part would suit the track really well, but I think you’ve got it, just tweak the vocal sound to be a bit more unusual to give the track a more distinctive sound. Hey Martin Thanks bud for taking the time to listen and provide feedback, again, appreciate it. I really really REALLY love B3, I tried to come up with a part for it, but failed, I will have to try again. thanks again Cheers Wiz
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Post by reddirt on Apr 28, 2019 18:11:14 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, great stuff - its seems churlish to offer criticism but you did ask for it!!
First off your "lead break" with whistle and vox is right up my alley ; it offers an individual and believable uniqueness to the the track. Lovely harmony, very clean bass and lots of space all round.
Did you have to de ess it? whatever , the Stam is doing a great job.
FWIW, my 'negatives' are the vox as DonR says could do with a little vibe in the sound e.g. a really close subtle ambient repeat to create a vibey space as well as the effect you've already got.
Also sticking so ruthlessly to a click track is understandable but i would love to have heard you play the bare bones on an acoustic with a really good drummer and build the track from that ; it would give it some rhythmic flex. Perhaps a good wurlitzer-esque bed would also give it a bit more less regimented rhythmic movement. I love B3 s but for mine it could almost be too obvious for this track (apologies Martin!)
Thanks for putting yourself out there; done with great players , playing as a band which it easily could be this could make it to an international album, no worries.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by reddirt on Apr 28, 2019 18:20:57 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, just realised you asked for mix thoughts as opposed to production decisions so hope I didn't overstep and that my overall respect and enjoyment is obvious in spite of the critique. Cheers, Ross 😀
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Post by donr on Apr 28, 2019 18:33:59 GMT -6
Wiz, dub echo is a common element in Reggae, the echo tempo is a triplet of the song tempo, typically 8th or quarter note triplets.
Think the echo tempo in The Police's "Walking On The Moon." A little on your vocal might work.
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 20:07:54 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, great stuff - its seems churlish to offer criticism but you did ask for it!! First off your "lead break" with whistle and vox is right up my alley ; it offers an individual and believable uniqueness to the the track. Lovely harmony, very clean bass and lots of space all round. Did you have to de ess it? whatever , the Stam is doing a great job. FWIW, my 'negatives' are the vox as DonR says could do with a little vibe in the sound e.g. a really close subtle ambient repeat to create a vibey space as well as the effect you've already got. Also sticking so ruthlessly to a click track is understandable but i would love to have heard you play the bare bones on an acoustic with a really good drummer and build the track from that ; it would give it some rhythmic flex. Perhaps a good wurlitzer-esque bed would also give it a bit more less regimented rhythmic movement. I love B3 s but for mine it could almost be too obvious for this track (apologies Martin!) Thanks for putting yourself out there; done with great players , playing as a band which it easily could be this could make it to an international album, no worries. Cheers, Ross Hey Ross thanks mate for the feedback and taking the time to post your thoughts. I play this song solo on acoustic guitar, when I do my solo gigs, and when we play it with the band, its different from this. Because, well, this is me having to play all the instruments... 8)..... and I am no where near as proficient on the drums and bass as I am the guitar. Its the way I have chosen to work... out of necessity .... thanks again for the ideas, I will give them a try. Cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 20:08:22 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, just realised you asked for mix thoughts as opposed to production decisions so hope I didn't overstep and that my overall respect and enjoyment is obvious in spite of the critique. Cheers, Ross 😀 Absolutely no issue at all Ross, I am just grateful for your input cheers WIz
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2019 20:09:11 GMT -6
Wiz, dub echo is a common element in Reggae, the echo tempo is a triplet of the song tempo, typically 8th or quarter note triplets. Think the echo tempo in The Police's "Walking On The Moon." A little on your vocal might work. Thanks Don I will definitely give it a shot Cheers Wiz
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 10:21:30 GMT -6
Sounds good to me although it seems like the instruments are panned kinda wide for the style of music. Thanks bud yeah, I am a LCR guy 8) cheers Wiz I am too, but the left sounded disconnected from the right, but in almost a phasey way, not normal LCR, at least to me.
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Post by wiz on Apr 29, 2019 15:22:39 GMT -6
Thanks bud yeah, I am a LCR guy 8) cheers Wiz I am too, but the left sounded disconnected from the right, but in almost a phasey way, not normal LCR, at least to me. Well that’s interesting.... I don’t hear that at all? The entire mix or one element? cheers Wiz
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 15:46:18 GMT -6
I am too, but the left sounded disconnected from the right, but in almost a phasey way, not normal LCR, at least to me. Well that’s interesting.... I don’t hear that at all? The entire mix or one element? cheers Wiz The strumming guitars. I suppose it's two different guitars, but the slight timing difference makes it seem really distracting.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 30, 2019 15:04:42 GMT -6
I’ve appreciated how well Ryan Adams does the L&R acoustics, and he’s a master at making them work together, even though they differ a little. I’d check out a few of his tunes Wiz, just for reference.
I would post the link but my computer broke and I’m on my iPad. Look for this song “Two” and listen to the balance of the acoustics.
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