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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 6, 2019 9:34:12 GMT -6
You must have heard about this one...
Tune was climbing the country charts, Billboard said, "nah, can't have that on the country chart", and pulled it.
Billy Ray Cyrus said, "f that noise, I think it's country" and hopped on the remix.
Here is the remix with BRC.
...I hate to say it, but I kinda dig it. šš
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2019 18:06:52 GMT -6
I find it offensive. He's absolutely mocking Country fans. Phony Southern accent. Carpet bagging just to make money. No interest or love for the genre.
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Post by Ward on Apr 9, 2019 8:18:57 GMT -6
I find it offensive. He's absolutely mocking Country fans. Phony Southern accent. Carpet bagging just to make money. No interest or love for the genre. Greed. It's open season on Country, Christianity, Conservatism. And the ones taking shots are all C.an't U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking s |
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Post by iamasound on Apr 9, 2019 13:35:11 GMT -6
Billy Ray who?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 9, 2019 14:28:37 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 9, 2019 14:36:00 GMT -6
I find it offensive. He's absolutely mocking Country fans. Phony Southern accent. Carpet bagging just to make money. No interest or love for the genre. I still find it totally interesting. Check out the buzz feed article. Dude obviously wanted to go viral, but I don't think he was purposely digging for gold. I think he was just having fun. Check out the Tik Tok vids in the article too. He was making something funny for 12 year olds and it caught on. Your kid probably even made one. I'm not getting bent out of shape over people mocking me and my fellow hipsters. I don't think this is any more offensive. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 14:38:58 GMT -6
I find it offensive. He's absolutely mocking Country fans. Phony Southern accent. Carpet bagging just to make money. No interest or love for the genre. Greed. It's open season on Country, Christianity, Conservatism. And the ones taking shots are all C.an't U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking s Oh FFS. So a dumb, novelty bro-country song has you triggered into trying to squeeze it into a pre-cooked narrative about a perceived war on āChristianityā? Thatās really...something. Also, ācuntā? Oooooooohhh so edgy. Who do you have for homeroom this year? |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 9, 2019 14:53:15 GMT -6
I find it offensive. He's absolutely mocking Country fans. Phony Southern accent. Carpet bagging just to make money. No interest or love for the genre. Greed. It's open season on Country, Christianity, Conservatism. And the ones taking shots are all C.an't U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking s Excuse me?
I'm a Jew from Oklahoma.
"Christianity" doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. Nor does Judiasm or worshipping the "Great Spirit". (I don't know what Native Americans call it.)
Let's keep religious bigotry out of music.
That being said, I do love me a good gospel tune.
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 15:02:34 GMT -6
Iām still struggling to understand the attempt to attach āreligionā to this dumb song at all.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 9, 2019 15:06:43 GMT -6
Asides aside, the song in question ain't country and calling it country is an insult to everything that makes country great.
Listen to it, as long as you can stand it - the damn music is URBAN. It's urban, hip-hop derived instrumentation and beat and the vocals are no more country than the theme music to "Green Acres" which was pure '60s Hollywood.
Urban is, by definition, the antithesis of country. Country is what's where there ain't no damn city. Urban MEANS "Of The City", for those of you who don't do linguistics. "Urban country" is an oxymoron.
And the song sucks.
And isn't Billy Ray Cyrus primarilty known as the dad of Miley Cyrus, who did the original of that great Ron Jeremy hit, "Wrecking Ball"?
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 15:21:57 GMT -6
Yeah, it really is a shame that song isn't respecting the proud tradition of modern country music.Ā Ā
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2019 15:52:07 GMT -6
Oh FFS, thatās INFINITELY more country than this peice of shit. And the exact reason I hate that stuff is the hip hop aspects of it. It has nothing to do with Country music. Nothing. It has absolutely dumbed down the genre. The problem is this. Him putting Billy Ray Cyrus on it doesnāt suddenly make it Country and qualify it for country radio play. Thatās taking money out of the pockets of people that have spent careers doing this. He can have iTunes. I donāt see any rap stations playing Colt Ford ( thank God no one plays him)
I just get sick of the bar being constantly lowered.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2019 16:02:39 GMT -6
And you think Iām triggered? Give me a break. Iām just pointing out that if people can scream about appropriation of black culture, it can cut both ways. All of it is fucking ridiculous.
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 16:05:02 GMT -6
Oh FFS, thatās INFINITELY more country than this peice of shit. Well, sort of. It's packed to the gills with faux-rapping and hip-hop beats. But my main point is, when the top performers of a genre willfully turn it into a parody of itself, it's hard to have much sympathy for pearl-clutching about the sanctity of the art form. I mean, what insults can a parody hurl at bro-country that it hasn't already outdone on its own? It'd be one thing if the whatever its called at the top of this thread was taking the piss out of actual country music. It's not. It's mocking the shit on the radio that is in and of itself a mockery. I dunno, I don't get it. It seems like if loyalty to real country music is the motivation here, it would be the actual bro-country performers you'd wanna take aim at, not some rando person mocking them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 16:05:39 GMT -6
And you think Iām triggered? Give me a break. Iām just pointing out that if people can scream about appropriation of black culture, it can cut both ways. All of it is fucking ridiculous. No. I quoted Ward for a reason. It was his post I found completely ridiculous, not yours. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -6
Oh FFS, thatās INFINITELY more country than this peice of shit. Well, sort of.Ā It's packed to the gills with faux-rapping and hip-hop beats.Ā Ā But my main point is, when the top performers of a genre willfully turn it into a parody of itself, it's hard to have much sympathy for pearl-clutching about the sanctity of the art form.Ā I mean, what insults can a parody hurl at bro-country that it hasn't already outdone on its own?Ā Ā It'd be one thing if the whatever its called at the top of this thread was taking the piss out of actual country music.Ā It's not.Ā It's mocking the shit on the radio that is in and of itself a mockery.Ā I dunno, I don't get it.Ā Ā It seems like if loyalty to real country music is the motivation here, it would be the actual bro-country performers you'd wanna take aim at, not some rando person mocking them.Ā Ā The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.Ā Ā Why do you think heās taking aim at Bro Country? I donāt hear any bro country in that at all. It sounds like a guy from Queens making what he thinks is a country song. Porches, hay bails, horses. All in the verses. It would be like me putting down a beat with an 808, talking about hoes, pimps, G5ās and drugs all with a black accent. Why is that considered offensive but not the other way around? As for Bro Country, you know I hate it. Iāve hated it from day one. I DO take aim at it. Probably at the detriment of my career. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 16:38:50 GMT -6
Well, sort of. It's packed to the gills with faux-rapping and hip-hop beats. But my main point is, when the top performers of a genre willfully turn it into a parody of itself, it's hard to have much sympathy for pearl-clutching about the sanctity of the art form. I mean, what insults can a parody hurl at bro-country that it hasn't already outdone on its own? It'd be one thing if the whatever its called at the top of this thread was taking the piss out of actual country music. It's not. It's mocking the shit on the radio that is in and of itself a mockery. I dunno, I don't get it. It seems like if loyalty to real country music is the motivation here, it would be the actual bro-country performers you'd wanna take aim at, not some rando person mocking them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. Why do you think heās taking aim at Bro Country? I donāt hear any bro country in that at all. It sounds like a guy from Queens making what he thinks is a country song. Porches, hay bails, horses. All in the verses. It would be like me putting down a beat with an 808, talking about hoes, pimps, G5ās and drugs all with a black accent. Why is that considered offensive but not the other way around? As for Bro Country, you know I hate it. Iāve hated it from day one. I DO take aim at it. Probably at the detriment of my career. I guess because the over-the-top-country-self-reference thing is something I only hear in modern, top-40 pop-country. Like, if I turned on the country station right now and heard a hip-hop call and response thing over a sampled beat with a token Tele and fiddle and the song itself was called, like, "My Tailgate Has A Tailgate" or whatever, I wouldn't bat an eye. Hell, for all I know, that is an actual song. If you turn on some Waylon Jennings or George Jones or something, you don't hear that unintentional-comedy nonsense. You just hear some good story telling delivered with a twang. So when some yahoo hip-hop dude makes a song referencing "cowboy hat from Gucci..." and "bull-ridin' and boobies" it's more than clear which type of "country" they're making fun of. That type of shit is all over modern pop-bro-country and simply doesn't exist in country music before that. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2019 16:40:12 GMT -6
But youāre assuming heās making fun of it. I think it was his serious attempt at writing a country song.
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 16:43:43 GMT -6
But youāre assuming heās making fun of it. I think it was his serious attempt at writing a country song. Wait, I thought the whole uproar was exactly that he's mocking it? If this was his attempt to genuinely write a country song (I do not believe this is true) wouldn't he just suck, like so many others, but not be "offensive"? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 9, 2019 17:19:32 GMT -6
But youāre assuming heās making fun of it. I think it was his serious attempt at writing a country song. He was making a meme, not something serious. Look at the buzzfeed article and watch the TikTok vids. The whole thing was a joke aimed at 12 year olds that caught on. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 9, 2019 18:49:21 GMT -6
Greed. It's open season on Country, Christianity, Conservatism. And the ones taking shots are all C.an't U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking s Oh FFS. So a dumb, novelty bro-country song has you triggered into trying to squeeze it into a pre-cooked narrative about a perceived war on āChristianityā? Thatās really...something. Also, ācuntā? Oooooooohhh so edgy. Who do you have for homeroom this year? oh FFS Ragan, Fur Fux Ache. For Fuck's Sake. Sure man, whatever you say. Must be a shock when your opinion doesn't come out of someone else's mouth. I don't expect the same, nor am I "triggered" or anything else. Just a light observation. As for the anagram, definition of cunt is some who can't understand normal thinking. That's all. Now . . . what do I have for home room ? Condescension? Arrogance? Holy then thou attitude? Nope, you got all that covered. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 19:19:01 GMT -6
Oh FFS. So a dumb, novelty bro-country song has you triggered into trying to squeeze it into a pre-cooked narrative about a perceived war on āChristianityā? Thatās really...something. Also, ācuntā? Oooooooohhh so edgy. Who do you have for homeroom this year? oh FFS Ragan, Fur Fux Ache. For Fuck's Sake. Sure man, whatever you say. Must be a shock when your opinion doesn't come out of someone else's mouth. I don't expect the same, nor am I "triggered" or anything else. Just a light observation. As for the anagram, definition of cunt is some who can't understand normal thinking. That's all. Now . . . what do I have for home room ? Condescension? Arrogance? Holy then thou attitude? Nope, you got all that covered. That's all fine. Ad hominem stuff doesn't mean anything to me and I wouldn't have expected you to like my response to you. I find the attempt to cast every little discomfort as an assault on one's religion (even when it's a comically huge reach) to be both intellectually and theologically invalid. And super, super snowflake-y. And that's not what 'cunt' means - you're being disingenuous. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 9, 2019 19:25:54 GMT -6
That's not what ad hominem means, but at this point . . . there is no point.
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2019 19:42:35 GMT -6
That's not what ad hominem means, but at this point . . . there is no point. Calling me arrogant and Holy Then Thou [sic] in lieu of making/defending any points is the exact definition of ad hominem. Granted I was pretty hard on what you'd said so falling back on that stuff is understandable. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 10, 2019 10:36:04 GMT -6
So Iām fairly certain we all agree and think it either sucks or is a joke and that itās nothing to be offended over because the music they are making fun of is either a joke or it sucks and that neither are REAL country music. I mean I dig on Gillian Welch and all but apparently that isnāt real country music either. So Iām generally confused.
Right??
Glad we can all get along again.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2019 12:54:08 GMT -6
I just don't know why you guys are thinking this is a parody...has he said that somewhere?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 10, 2019 13:01:45 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 11, 2019 1:01:15 GMT -6
Yes. My understanding is that he put it on TikTok (to that hilariously no-budget Red Dead Redemption 2 homemade music video) and just tagged it with (among several other tags) #country. As far as I can tell from what I've read, there was no intentional thought of, "hey, you know what, maybe I could find someone to promote this to country stations." Shit, if you've ever seen anyone play RDD (or seen a clip of it...) this song is a pretty funny soundtrack. While I don't personally like the song at all, and I clearly don't share the taste of the author to this article, here's an interesting read on the situation from The Ringer: āOld Town Roadā Isnāt Country or Rap or Even InternetāItās Pure Bliss |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 11, 2019 5:01:41 GMT -6
Yes. My understanding is that he put it on TikTok (to that hilariously no-budget Red Dead Redemption 2 homemade music video) and just tagged it with (among several other tags) #country. As far as I can tell from what I've read, there was no intentional thought of, "hey, you know what, maybe I could find someone to promote this to country stations." Shit, if you've ever seen anyone play RDD (or seen a clip of it...) this song is a pretty funny soundtrack. While I don't personally like the song at all, and I clearly don't share the taste of the author to this article, here's an interesting read on the situation from The Ringer: āOld Town Roadā Isnāt Country or Rap or Even InternetāItās Pure BlissDespite the article title, that article is a very good read. Also interesting, this is now the first number 1 for Nine Inch Nails. genius.com/amp/a/how-lil-nas-xs-old-town-road-landed-nine-inch-nails-their-first-no-1-hit-on-the-billboard-hot-100 |
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Post by stratboy on Apr 11, 2019 5:42:49 GMT -6
FWIW, I like all you guys, in a forum kind of way, but I thought Wardās comments were unnecessary. Itās just music, and pretty interesting music at that. I go with my gut and on first listen, Old Town Road was a heck of a lot more engaging to me than, say, the new Luke Bryan āKnockin Boots,ā for example. I prefer Bakersfield country above all else, but Iād rather listen to OTR than KB, which sounds to me like it was just phoned in. Plus, now I canāt get that damn hook out of my head. š³ I guess Iāll have to listen to some Beatles. š
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