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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 4, 2014 18:11:35 GMT -6
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 4, 2014 19:38:24 GMT -6
...you are correct , sir...
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...and, you are banned (just kidding)...
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Post by keymod on Mar 5, 2014 7:51:11 GMT -6
Chunger really let him have it with a recent post on groupdiy.
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 5, 2014 9:23:21 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 5, 2014 18:25:15 GMT -6
Wow! That went awesome over there, even a cameo by JK!!! It is so cool that the main guys chimed in to set the record straight! |
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Post by keymod on Mar 6, 2014 5:04:28 GMT -6
I find it interesting that the people seeming to be supportive of M&M are in the eurozone, whereas the detractors are from this side of the pond. There is currently the attitude that "it's no big deal cause everyone does it" going on over there.
I did pose a question there: How does someone with little experience determine who came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 6, 2014 8:37:31 GMT -6
It is a fair question. For someone like me, who doesn't have much DIY experience, I would see this kit and think that it's a good looking deal.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 6, 2014 15:38:01 GMT -6
It is a fair question. For someone like me, who doesn't have much DIY experience, I would see this kit and think that it's a good looking deal. It is a GOOD deal! Every time a thief sells the stolen goods, they offer someone good deals! 8) it's no ones fault if they find and buy this kit, but it is incumbent upon us that know when fraud is being perpetrated, to open our mouths and say something. Apparently I'm good at opening my mouth, but mostly for sticking my foot in it 8) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2014 16:07:52 GMT -6
I agree, it's not about the product at all - I'm sure the product is great. It's about the ethics of it all.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2014 16:09:37 GMT -6
Btw - you wanna know a really good deal? Free songs from file sharing sites. But then the songwriters don't get paid...if you are ok with theft, yes, it's a great deal.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 6, 2014 17:06:12 GMT -6
I was just agreeing that someone who isn't a regular over there would have no idea. Is there something that would tip off an inexperienced diyer that something is shady? For future reference.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 6, 2014 21:05:16 GMT -6
I was just agreeing that someone who isn't a regular over there would have no idea. Is there something that would tip off an inexperienced diyer that something is shady? For future reference. I don't think there is, I lurked for about a year over there before I signed up and posted(hard to believe with my perpetual verbosity lol), I learned that the core group of fellas are generally really cool, and very smart, they are completely willing to help anyone truly interested in learning, they are not big on spoon feeding peeps who want to build by numbers, it's kinda a brotherhood in contributing positively to the greater good of the forum. Selfish types don't do well there, ex. Yannick I felt like the first thing I contributed to the forum as a noob, was when Matador so graciously walked me through my problems with my C12 build, I didn't realize it as it was happening, but he was teaching me about the circuit despite my self, and it was providing others with potential problems, trouble shooting guidelines, he was in no way obligated to do that, but he happily did, really it was very cool! btw, matador is one of the guys mic n mod is ripping off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 20:37:46 GMT -6
Well, that thread is locked now so I can't reply. But why did Poctop reply/apologize on GearSlutz instead of on GroupDIY?
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 12, 2014 20:54:14 GMT -6
Well, that thread is locked now so I can't reply. But why did Poctop reply on GearSlutz instead of on GroupDIY? ...that "explanation" reply is an updated/edited response that replaced his original post in which he provided photos of his various builds and initially announced his collaboration with MicandMod... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 0:24:43 GMT -6
oh. Well, it seemed like everyone just glossed right over his post and didn't care either way.
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 13, 2014 8:47:16 GMT -6
oh. Well, it seemed like everyone just glossed right over his post and didn't care either way. ...when you say "everyone", are you referring to those on the GroupDIY thread, or those on the Gearslutz thread?... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 0:20:20 GMT -6
GearSlutz. Like, why even post there if no one on there cares?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2014 3:00:11 GMT -6
I think the offence really stems from one's personal sense of ethics and morality. People's hard work to bring diy value to people has been taken advantage of and then as it is being used as a business opportunity this introduces the financial aspects and there is real money on and under the table.
In reading the posts that the person behind M&M sent to chunger , it is very difficult to not see a deliberate attempt to mislead. This resonates with and augments the ethical issues and the concern about someone very deliberately and consciously taking advantage of the openness of the group diy community: its values and the normal helpfulness.
It is obvious that the person behind M&M saw this only as a business opportunity and as they advertise to the world on the internet very deliberately were intent on taking business away from people whose work they have used without permission and to their own ends.
What one concludes about this affair, I leave to everyone's personal ethics; yes, life is an opportunity , but surely there is some moral self regulation and guidance required as to how opportunistic we all are with each other ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2014 9:52:07 GMT -6
What is a "Gearslutz"? I'm not familiar...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2014 10:00:14 GMT -6
I think the offence really stems from one's personal sense of ethics and morality. People's hard work to bring diy value to people has been taken advantage of and then as it is being used as a business opportunity this introduces the financial aspects and there is real money on and under the table. In reading the posts that the person behind M&M sent to chunger , it is very difficult to not see a deliberate attempt to mislead. This resonates with and augments the ethical issues and the concern about someone very deliberately and consciously taking advantage of the openness of the group diy community: its values and the normal helpfulness. It is obvious that the person behind M&M saw this only as a business opportunity and as they advertise to the world on the internet very deliberately were intent on taking business away from people whose work they have used without permission and to their own ends. What one concludes about this affair, I leave to everyone's personal ethics; yes, life is an opportunity , but surely there is some moral self regulation and guidance required as to how opportunistic we all are with each other ? Money - and the chance to make money - brings out the worst in people. I saw this pic a while back...thought it was awesome...  |
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 14, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -6
GearSlutz. Like, why even post there if no one on there cares? ...well, since that post was revised many days later, the subsequent posts from others don't reflect his post revisions, and few people even saw the revised post until it was linked later in the GroupDIY thread...not to mention, few on GS or here, for that matter, are very familiar with the GroupDIY community and how it functions... ...I think Poctop's purpose for posting there was to remove his original post (that essentially sparked this whole fiaso), and replace it with an explanation for his actions...understandable from that viewpoint... |
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Post by keymod on Mar 14, 2014 15:41:56 GMT -6
I feel bad for the guy, being that his wife lost her job and they were/are down & out. Is he selling anything directly, himself? Perhaps a donation is in order? Seems like that Yannik dude took advantage of the fact that Poctop was desperate. Makes it even worse, IMHO.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 14, 2014 17:23:05 GMT -6
I feel bad for the guy, being that his wife lost her job and they were/are down & out. Is he selling anything directly, himself? Perhaps a donation is in order? Seems like that Yannik dude took advantage of the fact that Poctop was desperate. Makes it even worse, IMHO. That's the thing that kills me on this, poc could have set up an assembled mic section on his own site( with his own work, and more than likely could've worked out something with max, Chung, and matador for their stuff)and took that market for himself, and no one would have said anything but " good job" given a supply of the appropriate donor mics and parts in hand, u could knock out at least 2-3 mics a day, believe I built my matachung c12 in 3 hours?? I feel bad for him also, but I guess some bad choices were made |
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Post by ben on Apr 3, 2014 13:17:41 GMT -6
So... Before I saw this thread I did purchase a u47 from mic&mod. I was looking for a solid u47 copy with high quality internal components. I saw the ioaudio stuff and whatnot, but mic&mod had exactly what I wanted in a super easy format to order and ship. I bought the last one in stock and it happened to be fully asssembled. I dropped a Beesneez M7 in it and I love the crap out of this mic, and would love to compare it to other clones.
After reading this thread, I feel badly for those who worked hard to bring us these great recreations and got no credit or compensation, but we cannot forget... All of these designs, to a certain extent, are rip offs. It's the savvy capitalist that makes it easy for the masses to purchase. As much as I admired ioaudios design, I couldn't find a place to get the kit, body and power supply all in one place. I found that with mic&mod. If someone can point me in the direction of a site from a deserving source to buy everything I need in one place, id gladly patronize them.
I'm going to be in the market for a top quality pair of c12s (preferrably with a Tim Campbell or beesneez cap). Where should I go for these other than mic&mod?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2014 13:34:21 GMT -6
So... Before I saw this thread I did purchase a u47 from mic&mod. I was looking for a solid u47 copy with high quality internal components. I saw the ioaudio stuff and whatnot, but mic&mod had exactly what I wanted in a super easy format to order and ship. I bought the last one in stock and it happened to be fully asssembled. I dropped a Beesneez M7 in it and I love the crap out of this mic, and would love to compare it to other clones. After reading this thread, I feel badly for those who worked hard to bring us these great recreations and got no credit or compensation, but we cannot forget... All of these designs, to a certain extent, are rip offs. It's the savvy capitalist that makes it easy for the masses to purchase. As much as I admired ioaudios design, I couldn't find a place to get the kit, body and power supply all in one place. I found that with mic&mod. If someone can point me in the direction of a site from a deserving source to buy everything I need in one place, id gladly patronize them. I'm going to be in the market for a top quality pair of c12s (preferrably with a Tim Campbell or beesneez cap). Where should I go for these other than mic&mod? welcome to the forum! buy or diy? store.studio939.com/product/c12-microphone-kit-complete easy build with lots of support from the guys who did the R&D on it, i have one with a tim campbell, its awesome. the U47's patent has run out, Ioaudio came up with a brilliant design to fit in and run 2 408 tubes in parallel on the mk47 to replace the uber $ vf 14, mic/mod dude stole it amongst other things from good guys who put forth a ton of $ and effort. There is nothing savvy about stealing, honorability is whats missing from capitalism in this world, without it, it's a proven fail(see economic meltdown september 2008). |
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