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Post by sirthought on Feb 19, 2019 11:35:43 GMT -6
This one is new to me. Price is only $40. Might be something worth buying to warm up some tracks. Thoughts? kazrog.com/products/true-iron/From the website:
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Post by christopher on Feb 19, 2019 12:22:24 GMT -6
thanks! the video was impressive, so I just tried the demo. First impressions: I noticed right away things got louder, not way better sounding though. There's a switch that says "unity" that I assumed would be autogain matching to input loudness. yet I found the plugin to be 3-5 db louder while watching the meters. When I level matched, it was not nearly as impressive. It would be tough for me to leave this on a track, unless someone really wanted something specific. Great idea though, and maybe I'll keep trying it out for a while, see if my opinion changes.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Feb 19, 2019 13:27:00 GMT -6
thanks! the video was impressive, so I just tried the demo. First impressions: I noticed right away things got louder, not way better sounding though. There's a switch that says "unity" that I assumed would be autogain matching to input loudness. yet I found the plugin to be 3-5 db louder while watching the meters. When I level matched, it was not nearly as impressive. It would be tough for me to leave this on a track, unless someone really wanted something specific. Great idea though, and maybe I'll keep trying it out for a while, see if my opinion changes. It's the oldest trick in the book - they use peak instead of average level to define "unity" so the result is a bit louder with the plugin engaged. It's well established that people perceive louder to be better. Even a fraction of a dB is enough to skew a comparison by ear... 3 to 5 dB is ridiculous! Makes me distrust the plugin maker...
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Post by sirthought on Feb 19, 2019 13:41:20 GMT -6
Wow, well that would be a bummer if it didn't give you the goods. I have not downloaded the demo yet, but will try it tomorrow. I just know the volume in the White Sea video didn't seem to jump too much to my ears. 3-5 db would be pretty noticeable. I wonder how you guys got such different results? That guy reviewing is almost always hard on the plugins he covers.
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Post by drbill on Feb 19, 2019 13:43:20 GMT -6
I had a hard time getting past the first 30 seconds of that video. Didn't even make it to the first comparison..... LOL
I have the plugin. Don't use it much.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 19, 2019 13:45:18 GMT -6
I had a hard time getting past the first 30 seconds. Didn't even make it to the first comparison..... LOL I have the plugin. Don't use it much. They apparently just updated it to have more options. Looks like the original just had two.
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Post by drbill on Feb 19, 2019 13:49:21 GMT -6
I had a hard time getting past the first 30 seconds. Didn't even make it to the first comparison..... LOL I have the plugin. Don't use it much. They apparently just updated it to have more options. Looks like the original just had two. Thx. I'll have to check out the new version!
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2019 14:58:10 GMT -6
I had a hard time getting past the first 30 seconds of that video. Didn't even make it to the first comparison..... LOL I have the plugin. Don't use it much. You guys who work in the video buisness have such lofty standards 😁
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Post by drbill on Feb 19, 2019 15:37:32 GMT -6
I had a hard time getting past the first 30 seconds of that video. Didn't even make it to the first comparison..... LOL I have the plugin. Don't use it much. You guys who work in the video buisness have such lofty standards 😁 Don't look at me. I don't work in the video business. But that guy....can't stand his voice, and can't stand him yelling at me.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 19, 2019 16:07:35 GMT -6
Did anybody else notice that it says "SNAKE OIL" right on the video?
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2019 18:12:19 GMT -6
You guys who work in the video buisness have such lofty standards 😁 Don't look at me. I don't work in the video business. But that guy....can't stand his voice, and can't stand him yelling at me. Excuse me Music for Film, even if these days there isn’t any film except for that magnetic stuff on some hard drives!
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2019 18:15:10 GMT -6
But let me get all Audio Zen Master here I don’t want or care to listen to the sound of transformers, I listen to the sound of a transformer as part of a circuit. So for me even if it nails it pretty useless for me.
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Post by christopher on Feb 19, 2019 18:51:39 GMT -6
It sounds like what these type of plugins do is take a pitch shifter plugin, and add pitch shift nodes at the appropriate places where harmonics show up on gear sine tests. Then adjust the volume of each "harmonic" to whatever they think the mix of them should be. Because thats how natural these things sound to me, like some kind of autotune. (sorry for the rant)
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Post by sirthought on Feb 20, 2019 2:50:20 GMT -6
It sounds like what these type of plugins do is take a pitch shifter plugin, and add pitch shift nodes at the appropriate places where harmonics show up on gear sine tests. Then adjust the volume of each "harmonic" to whatever they think the mix of them should be. Because thats how natural these things sound to me, like some kind of autotune. (sorry for the rant) No worries, no rant perceived! In the video he's testing this on a stereo track. Making sure I understand you...you think this plug is shifting the pitch of everything it hears and then has set volume adjustments to replicate a harmonic value? I wonder how close that is to what they did? Pitch shifting uses variable delay (Doppler effect). Not an expert at developing software, but that kind of tracking performance would be impressive, because when you see the knobs being cranked there is no real change in how smooth the audio is playing. I'd think with a pitch shift you'd hear a smearing as the delay adjusts. I hear nothing close to autotune myself, but what do I know? Maybe it was his demo song? Kazrog has some Soundcloud clips that seem more hard rock, but I think those are using an older version of the plugin. Not sure if I'll like the sound until I try it out, but I think the product is interesting because it's focusing on managing the input impedance. I believe UAD in their Unison plugins look at similar issues to the sound in their preamp software.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 20, 2019 3:17:36 GMT -6
But that guy....can't stand his voice, and can't stand him yelling at me. Yeah, I didn't really like his voice at first and he's usually pretty disorganized in his presentation. Somehow though, I start to pick up on his humor and he really has some interesting insights on plugin design and because he's mainly an out-of-the-box guy he's often comparing the experience in an interesting way. He's successfully working as a mix engineer but as a presenter he's really winging it.
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Post by nomatic on Feb 20, 2019 9:30:06 GMT -6
I actually really like this plug in practical application...... Carry on..
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 21, 2019 0:54:16 GMT -6
This one is new to me. Price is only $40. Might be something worth buying to warm up some tracks. Thoughts? kazrog.com/products/true-iron/From the website: I almost made an ass of myself and posted just what you posted here. This guy is fairly funny to watch and he usually shits all over these products in the Snake Oil videos - but he really liked this one. I tried it myself, and think it sounds great. Not the usual gimmicky overdone bass boosting and oversaturation. Reminds me of transformers for sure. Neat tones here. And for 40? No brainer.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 24, 2019 12:05:50 GMT -6
Pensado likes this one too, at least he's used it some and mentioned it.
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Post by jampa on Feb 24, 2019 14:43:13 GMT -6
Is it just me or does Pensado like everything
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Post by Guitar on Feb 24, 2019 15:25:08 GMT -6
Is it just me or does Pensado like everything haha! you're probably right. Lately, though, I can relate. I feel like there's 5 different plugins to do any same job with mildly different results.
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 25, 2019 0:55:55 GMT -6
[...] I feel like there's 5 different plugins to do any same job with mildly different results. Yes. And I'm not knocked out by any of them anymore. (Except by some Acustica plugs lately that have indeed wowed me.)
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Post by unit7 on May 21, 2023 9:22:07 GMT -6
Three years after this thread started...but since I've mixed analog this hasn't been the top priority type of plugin for me. But that's going to change soon so I'm looking at transformer plugs now and just demoed this. That unity switch is explained in the manual, I believe it's not doing what you might think. And yes the plug makes the signal louder (just as with HEAT in ProTools) which could be conceiving, but I don's agree this is snake oil, on the contrary I think it sounds really good. The way I see it transformers in the audio chain isn't an effect per se, so the effect isn't meant to be more than in the more subtle area, but put on all channels it helps to glue. Sorry, not meaning to lecture about things you guys already know. I resurrected this thread actually to ask for favorite plug-ins that emulate transformers. Checked out Acustica, really interesting, have to check out sometime, but no real transformer plug-in except for a free one knob thing. Gonna try the UBK transformers too, but I'd be grateful for more tips!
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Post by robo on May 21, 2023 10:29:09 GMT -6
Three years after this thread started...but since I've mixed analog this hasn't been the top priority type of plugin for me. But that's going to change soon so I'm looking at transformer plugs now and just demoed this. That unity switch is explained in the manual, I believe it's not doing what you might think. And yes the plug makes the signal louder (just as with HEAT in ProTools) which could be conceiving, but I don's agree this is snake oil, on the contrary I think it sounds really good. The way I see it transformers in the audio chain isn't an effect per se, so the effect isn't meant to be more than in the more subtle area, but put on all channels it helps to glue. Sorry, not meaning to lecture about things you guys already know. I resurrected this thread actually to ask for favorite plug-ins that emulate transformers. Checked out Acustica, really interesting, have to check out sometime, but no real transformer plug-in except for a free one knob thing. Gonna try the UBK transformers too, but I'd be grateful for more tips! True Iron is very useful for subtle tonal shifts. I don’t use it on every track or anything, but it’s great when something sounds basically right but isn’t quite sitting in the mix right. Also good for reverb send/returns, etc. Airwindows Coils is good too, and sometimes works better. If you’re switching ITB from a console, Airwindows Console is really worth trying out!
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Post by Mister Chase on May 21, 2023 20:29:09 GMT -6
Honestly I still love it. I use it on the master bus to bring some energy and life into things.
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 10:36:49 GMT -6
Did anybody else notice that it says "SNAKE OIL" right on the video? HA! Exactly. Imagine trying to objectively evaluate a piece of software when the review starts with BullshitThe following piece of kit is absolute bullshit and you'd clearly be simple-minded if you liked it.
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