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Post by jtc111 on Feb 2, 2019 17:41:15 GMT -6
Look at all that u67 love. It is simply undeniable. That velvet, that silk, that creamy thickness with the saturation on top. You know you want it. You know you need it. You know... ...you have to have it. The M49 is closing in! 15 votes for u67 and 14 for m49. Honestly the m49 would be a lot easier for a few reasons, but I’d kind of like to do something with a non k47 or m7 for our next LDC.... Get over to that workbench. My H67 isn't going to build itself!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 2, 2019 17:48:05 GMT -6
I'll change my vote from a C12 to an M49 if that would help. Make it a 249 and I'll get someone else to vote too.... Tied it up! Anyone else who voted for c12 or 251, feel free to change your vote so we can narrow this down and declare a winner 😁
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Post by Guitar on Feb 2, 2019 17:53:21 GMT -6
I am a selfish, greedy person, I voted for a 251. C12 seems like grandma's milk or something. I like them just fine, but only on Sunday.
I would be very interested in a 67. You don't even need to clone the circuit just make it sound good.
I have done my own version of a 67 DIY style, my own circuit, that is a very special thing going on. Mine are too big though and they look like C12 or more accurately Apex 460.
Do not succumb to the high end kings. They already have their ransom. Low price is where the people live, and you want to speak to the people.
$1,800 is also not a low price by the way. My most expensive mic is worth that much. Double that and you just axed your market by eight and a half times (exactly).
I know you guys can get the look right, that is no problem for Heiserman. It's all about the sound. If Britney Spears would think your mic looks cool then you're fine.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 2, 2019 18:16:46 GMT -6
No. Patents expire after 17 years (IIRC) and it's been a lot longer than that. I read somewhere that they registered the basket shape as a trademark, and that's why no one can copy it. I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of clones of the U87 basket. Please don't ask for examples.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 2, 2019 18:22:40 GMT -6
I am a selfish, greedy person, I voted for a 251. C12 seems like grandma's milk or something. I like them just fine, but only on Sunday. I would be very interested in a 67. You don't even need to clone the circuit just make it sound good. I have done my own version of a 67 DIY style, my own circuit, that is a very special thing going on. Mine are too big though and they look like C12 or more accurately Apex 460. Do not succumb to the high end kings. They already have their ransom. Low price is where the people live, and you want to speak to the people. $1,800 is also not a low price by the way. My most expensive mic is worth that much. Double that and you just axed your market by eight and a half times (exactly). I know you guys can get the look right, that is no problem for Heiserman. It's all about the sound. If Britney Spears would think your mic looks cool then you're fine. Heh.... My most expensive mic is worth probably double that, give or take. However I paid less than that for it. (Brass capsule C12A)
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2019 18:25:39 GMT -6
Evidently Britney goes for MORE than just looks.... _ . _ _ _ Attachments:
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Post by Guitar on Feb 2, 2019 18:29:54 GMT -6
That blue one where the mic is pointed at the ground, what is going on with that?
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2019 18:31:37 GMT -6
That blue one where the mic is pointed at the ground, what is going on with that? one of two things. Either it's in Fig8 and they wanted a more diffuse sound, or her publicist put up the mic for her to sing into. LOL
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 2, 2019 18:57:44 GMT -6
That blue one where the mic is pointed at the ground, what is going on with that? one of two things. Either it's in Fig8 and they wanted a more diffuse sound, or her publicist put up the mic for her to sing into. LOL Considering the lack of cans I’d go with the publicist thought.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 2, 2019 19:03:21 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule!
I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE.
Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right.
Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2019 19:05:18 GMT -6
No, it was her last ex-boyfriend, who set that microphone up! Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 2, 2019 19:05:24 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. I mentioned this myself in my first post. I would buy a pair.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2019 19:09:29 GMT -6
KM56 THEE Motown vocal microphone!
How about a special Bob O. Edition? Chris
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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 2, 2019 19:11:58 GMT -6
Vincent, As you already know, it's one of the most valued, and missed microphones of the past. No clones, No reproductions, NADA.
Those who have used a good one, know. So versatile, and nothing today touches it! Why, I dunno?
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2019 19:31:48 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. I'd ditto that X1000. My KM53's are unique and spectacular. Compared to other clones, I don't think it's an easy task, but I could be wrong. Just my impression. For one thing - AC701. For another the Nickel capsules....
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Post by mdmitch2 on Feb 2, 2019 19:38:40 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. I didn’t include that mic or the km84 because it’s going to take a while to develop a new sdc capsule (especially the nickel variant). This thread is more about what our next product might be, and the mics that are the focus of this thread are much more easily achievable in the short term. But we’ll definitely be working on the sdc along the way 😬 Lots of irons in the fire right now...
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 2, 2019 20:01:14 GMT -6
Vincent, As you already know, it's one of the most valued, and missed microphones of the past. No clones, No reproductions, NADA. Those who have used a good one, know. So versatile, and nothing today touches it! Why, I dunno? Some tube company needs to knock it off and start remanufacturing the AC701k so mic companies can start more accurately cloning some of those classic mics that really need its special sauce in their circuits.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 2, 2019 20:06:13 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. The problem with that mic is the Telefunken AC701 tube. There is no real substitute, certainly nothing currently in production.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 2, 2019 20:09:21 GMT -6
Vincent, As you already know, it's one of the most valued, and missed microphones of the past. No clones, No reproductions, NADA. Those who have used a good one, know. So versatile, and nothing today touches it! Why, I dunno? Some tube company needs to knock it off and start remanufacturing the AC701k so mic companies can start more accurately cloning some of those classic mics that really need its special sauce in their circuits. It certainly would be nice but I don't think any of the current companies are capable of even coming close. And I don't think the market is big enough to justify reverse engineering it if they could.
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2019 20:36:08 GMT -6
There is certainly something intangibly magical about that tube. No doubt about it. Any mic that uses it is special.
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 2, 2019 20:42:00 GMT -6
Yea it's special alright. I just think it's slim odds that someone will be able to reverse engineer it much find the right way to manufacture it again. Real bummer.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 2, 2019 21:15:40 GMT -6
Unfortunately johneppstein you are right about the problem being the AC701k, and that it probably isn’t cost efficient for for someone to reverse engineer and manufacture it. I think you could make it work if you were able to partner with a handful of mic manufacturers, but it’s a crap shoot. This is all assuming it sounds decent. Most of us here replace stock modern tubes with NOS tubes. Just makes me wonder is all.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Feb 3, 2019 18:30:30 GMT -6
Although not one of the choices on your list, for my money I'd love to see a new KM56 style mic. Tube driven, Multiple patterns, Nickel capsule! I have a few originals, and they are some of the most requested, and used mic's in my collection. Very versatile, RARE, & EXPENSIVE. Sadly, all the other choices you have on your list have been cloned Ad nauseam... This mic would be unique, and a huge hit, if done right. Sorry for the left turn, just my opinion. The problem with that mic is the Telefunken AC701 tube. There is no real substitute, certainly nothing currently in production. What about the Phaedrus audio one ?
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 3, 2019 19:46:49 GMT -6
There are a few substitutes out there for the AC701. None of them quite as magical but decent. As great a tube it was that could transform the U67 into the incredible M269, if you were given the choice between an ELA M251 non-export model with the AC701 tube or a ELA M251 export model with the 6072 tube you'd pick the export model. Every non-export model I've heard has been rather boring.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 3, 2019 19:47:29 GMT -6
Vincent, As you already know, it's one of the most valued, and missed microphones of the past. No clones, No reproductions, NADA. Those who have used a good one, know. So versatile, and nothing today touches it! Why, I dunno? Some tube company needs to knock it off and start remanufacturing the AC701k so mic companies can start more accurately cloning some of those classic mics that really need its special sauce in their circuits. Unfortunately there are very real engineering (and legal) reasons why the AC701k and VF14 can't be reproduced now. Manufacture of a lot of those vintage designs violates environmental regulations in most or all Western countries. Furthermore there isn't enough demand for those tubes to justify tooling up for production even if it were legally possible.
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