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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2014 20:30:55 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2014 20:36:00 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 9:14:25 GMT -6
Installed UAD 7.5 last night. It went smoothly, and it looks like I will be able to track MIDI drums at 64 samples instead of 128. So there was indeed a bottleneck of sorts on the way the Apollo was accessing the Thunderbolt bus for v7.4 and prior. I am a little disappointed in UA in how they marketed the T-Bolt thing and somehow failed to mention that they had not implemented full bandwidth utilization - or whatever the issue was. There is now less latency on the Apollo/Mini link.
I am still experiencing a bit of strangeness in how PT handles "resource allocation" though. If I close a session at 64 samples, it will not load BFD at next startup. However, if I close at 128 or above and then change the value to 64, I am good-to-go. Weird.
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Post by RicFoxx on Feb 21, 2014 11:35:08 GMT -6
Installed UAD 7.5 last night. It went smoothly, and it looks like I will be able to track MIDI drums at 64 samples instead of 128. So there was indeed a bottleneck of sorts on the way the Apollo was accessing the Thunderbolt bus for v7.4 and prior. I am a little disappointed in UA in how they marketed the T-Bolt thing and somehow failed to mention that they had not implemented full bandwidth utilization - or whatever the issue was. There is now less latency on the Apollo/Mini link. I am still experiencing a bit of strangeness in how PT handles "resource allocation" though. If I close a session at 64 samples, it will not load BFD at next startup. However, if I close at 128 or above and then change the value to 64, I am good-to-go. Weird. The Firmware to properly take advantage of the Thunderbolt card has not been released in 7.5, it addressed the Unison technology in the Apollo. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 21, 2014 12:23:10 GMT -6
I tried 7.5 and the 610. I did a terrible vocal track last week, The vocalist is a pro, done records, commercials, etc. The key was way too high, but for the demo I didn't want to re-record it all in a different key to fit the vocalist. So, the singer had to move back from the mic when hitting high notes hard, and the recording is thin and unusable. I thought, why not try the 610 on that, popped it on the vocal track, and damn, it's almost OK, and now it's at least decent enough sounding to show to other vocalists. The 610 just smoothed that sucker out. It's kind of a Stax/Volt/Motown thing, so the smooth vintage sound of the 610 there was good. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works when recording tracks. I'm wondering if I should go straight to Apollo and use the 610 or.. use my Warm Audio ToneBeast on a clean setting to Apollo to 610. Guess I'll have to try both.
I think it's potentially a winner, and it's free..
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 12:33:16 GMT -6
Installed UAD 7.5 last night. It went smoothly, and it looks like I will be able to track MIDI drums at 64 samples instead of 128. So there was indeed a bottleneck of sorts on the way the Apollo was accessing the Thunderbolt bus for v7.4 and prior. I am a little disappointed in UA in how they marketed the T-Bolt thing and somehow failed to mention that they had not implemented full bandwidth utilization - or whatever the issue was. There is now less latency on the Apollo/Mini link. I am still experiencing a bit of strangeness in how PT handles "resource allocation" though. If I close a session at 64 samples, it will not load BFD at next startup. However, if I close at 128 or above and then change the value to 64, I am good-to-go. Weird. The Firmware to properly take advantage of the Thunderbolt card has not been released in 7.5, it addressed the Unison technology in the Apollo. Hmm, interesting. Something has changed with 7.5. I will test further and update everyone. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2014 19:58:24 GMT -6
I tried 7.5 and the 610. I did a terrible vocal track last week, The vocalist is a pro, done records, commercials, etc. The key was way too high, but for the demo I didn't want to re-record it all in a different key to fit the vocalist. So, the singer had to move back from the mic when hitting high notes hard, and the recording is thin and unusable. I thought, why not try the 610 on that, popped it on the vocal track, and damn, it's almost OK, and now it's at least decent enough sounding to show to other vocalists. The 610 just smoothed that sucker out. It's kind of a Stax/Volt/Motown thing, so the smooth vintage sound of the 610 there was good. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works when recording tracks. I'm wondering if I should go straight to Apollo and use the 610 or.. use my Warm Audio ToneBeast on a clean setting to Apollo to 610. Guess I'll have to try both. I think it's potentially a winner, and it's free.. What do you mean, it's free? |
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 21:53:26 GMT -6
I tried 7.5 and the 610. I did a terrible vocal track last week, The vocalist is a pro, done records, commercials, etc. The key was way too high, but for the demo I didn't want to re-record it all in a different key to fit the vocalist. So, the singer had to move back from the mic when hitting high notes hard, and the recording is thin and unusable. I thought, why not try the 610 on that, popped it on the vocal track, and damn, it's almost OK, and now it's at least decent enough sounding to show to other vocalists. The 610 just smoothed that sucker out. It's kind of a Stax/Volt/Motown thing, so the smooth vintage sound of the 610 there was good. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works when recording tracks. I'm wondering if I should go straight to Apollo and use the 610 or.. use my Warm Audio ToneBeast on a clean setting to Apollo to 610. Guess I'll have to try both. I think it's potentially a winner, and it's free.. What do you mean, it's free? It's included in the UAD 7.5 update. Correction: it seems not, but it's on sale for $149. Looking into it to see if this is correct. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2014 21:56:58 GMT -6
I'm confused...It says $299 in the store...
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 21:59:11 GMT -6
Maybe not. Checking it out. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 21, 2014 22:14:51 GMT -6
One of the 610's is free to Apollo owners, the other will cost $149 on sale. It comes installed on the Twin, I believe.
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 22:50:43 GMT -6
One of the 610's is free to Apollo owners, the other will cost $149 on sale. It comes installed on the Twin, I believe. Ah good. I thought it was something like that. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 22, 2014 6:43:57 GMT -6
The Firmware to properly take advantage of the Thunderbolt card has not been released in 7.5, it addressed the Unison technology in the Apollo. Hmm, interesting. Something has changed with 7.5. I will test further and update everyone. 64 bit drivers ? More efficient in pt 11 64 bit environment and accessing more ram ?? 7.5, maverick and 11.1.2 running smooth on tbolt here ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 22, 2014 6:45:36 GMT -6
Maybe not. Checking it out. Apollo owners get the $149 price but some others are getting it too ! |
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Post by matt on Feb 22, 2014 10:59:53 GMT -6
Hmm, interesting. Something has changed with 7.5. I will test further and update everyone. 64 bit drivers ? More efficient in pt 11 64 bit environment and accessing more ram ?? 7.5, maverick and 11.1.2 running smooth on tbolt here ! I'm actually not sure what the difference is, technically speaking. Prior to v7.5 I was never able to run at 64 samples, now I am. But I can't always start a session at 64, sometimes BFD won't load due to "lack of resources". So I am saving all sessions at 1024, reopening, and changing to 64 while tracking midi for BFD. I have a session tonight so that will be the real test. I'll let everyone know. |
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Post by popmann on Feb 22, 2014 11:22:28 GMT -6
Anyone notice the API strip is enabled for the preamp emulation? I thought that was weird that when it came out they had the whole section there of the "preamp" model...and I thought "WTF is the point of modelling the preamp digitally?".....enter their whole plan to make it variable impedance preamps and model the saturation on the way in...
Anyway--wanted to give some "added value" to anyone who didn't notice this and bought the API strip previously...or still has a demo for it...
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2014 12:07:07 GMT -6
It would definitely be interesting if they start modeling API/Neve/Helios pres for use with the Apollo. Who cares if they're exactly the same, just as long as they share the characteristics of the originals. You would think that's the plan, but are these companies going to compete with themselves and possibly cut into their hardware sales? Maybe sales would be so good it wouldn't matter. That being said - it wouldn't really matter for me since I already have those in hardware...I never record anymore than stereo at one time, so...but it's definitely interesting.
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Post by popmann on Feb 22, 2014 13:13:37 GMT -6
I'm saying they HAVE....the API is already there. The previous release "channel strip" IS whatever they call the preamp modeling enabled (Unison enabled maybe?). That's why I brought it up--anyone demo'ing should certainly try the API again now that the preamp model is enabled.
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Post by popmann on Feb 22, 2014 18:56:34 GMT -6
It's on there website that the API vision strip is Unison enabled.
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Post by RicFoxx on Feb 22, 2014 19:00:40 GMT -6
It would definitely be interesting if they start modeling API/Neve/Helios pres for use with the Apollo. Who cares if they're exactly the same, just as long as they share the characteristics of the originals. You would think that's the plan, but are these companies going to compete with themselves and possibly cut into their hardware sales? Maybe sales would be so good it wouldn't matter. That being said - it wouldn't really matter for me since I already have those in hardware...I never record anymore than stereo at one time, so...but it's definitely interesting. When I registered my newest Apollo last week they gave me a complimentary plugin...the Helios 69. Last time they gave me a free plug (Fairchild 670 Legacy) the next week they released the MKII. Maybe a new Helios is coming with the new Unison Technology??? |
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Post by RicFoxx on Feb 24, 2014 8:16:38 GMT -6
Anyone notice the API strip is enabled for the preamp emulation? I thought that was weird that when it came out they had the whole section there of the "preamp" model...and I thought "WTF is the point of modelling the preamp digitally?".....enter their whole plan to make it variable impedance preamps and model the saturation on the way in... Anyway--wanted to give some "added value" to anyone who didn't notice this and bought the API strip previously...or still has a demo for it... Yeah, I'm still wiring everything up in the studio but had to cut a couple bgv over the weekend and upgraded the firmware on the Apollo and downloaded 7.5 and there it was the API Vision with the 610a and b emulation in the preamp section. I put it up against the VP28 and sounded nothing like each other...two completely different sounds. Sounded good though. I would describe the API Vision with the Apollo pre clear with some color and sheen...the CAPI was beautiful, full and vibe galore. |
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