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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 17, 2018 11:34:54 GMT -6
I was wondering if anyone is using any of the AMS-Neve 88 Series gear. They have the 88LB 500 series preamp, the 8801 Channel strip with EQ and Comp, the 8803 dual channel full EQ, and the 8816 Summing mixer. My only experience with these is the fantastic UAD 88RS Channel Strip. I go back and for the between that and UAD SSL or my SSL Alpha Channel (Not exactly the same, but sonically definitely the same family). I’ve been curious about picking up some of their actual rack gear, maybe even their summing mixer down the road, which also has an optional fader section. I’m curious if anyone is using any of these. I’ve gotten into this habit of recording through colored pres like my Dan Alexander or various tube preamps, but mixing through these fairly clean channels. Both the SSL and 88RS have their own flavors, but remain on the clean side. The 88RS is a little weightier.
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Post by drbill on Nov 17, 2018 12:00:47 GMT -6
I don't know anything about their individual 88 series channel / gear stuff, the the 88RS (https://ams-neve.com/88rs/) is quite possibly the best console ever made. threethumbsup!!
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 17, 2018 12:04:49 GMT -6
I don't know anything about their individual 88 series channel / gear stuff, the the 88RS (https://ams-neve.com/88rs/) is quite possibly the best console ever made. threethumbsup!! In theory these are based around that console. The 88LB is a lunch box version of that preamp, the 8801 is a single channel strip from that console, the 8803 is two channels of the EQ section from that console, and the 8816 is a summing mixer based around the master channel topography. |
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Post by drbill on Nov 17, 2018 12:38:17 GMT -6
Yeah. My only question is did they cut corners or dumb it down to take a $500k+ console and stuff it into a 500 / 19" rack for general consumption. That I do not know.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 17, 2018 12:54:41 GMT -6
Yeah. My only question is did they cut corners or dumb it down to take a $500k+ console and stuff it into a 500 / 19" rack for general consumption. That I do not know. That's kinda why I made this post. I am curious. |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 17, 2018 13:25:14 GMT -6
The 8816 Summing mixer is a wonderful little unit.
Sounds GREAT!
Lot's of good stuff crammed into 2 rack spaces.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 17, 2018 14:22:55 GMT -6
I hear the 88r stuff is amazing. I wouldn't mind some of these in rack form. As you, I am curious if they are the same thing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 17, 2018 15:36:18 GMT -6
The 8816 Summing mixer is a wonderful little unit. Sounds GREAT! Lot's of good stuff crammed into 2 rack spaces. It looks really nice. I also like that it has a fader expansion if you want it. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 17, 2018 17:37:14 GMT -6
From what I remember there isn’t any real secret sauce or any big money components in the 88r like transformers so it probably isn’t that different. The big money in a console like the 88r is the scale, recall, and all the switching components and mixing matrix.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 17, 2018 18:56:42 GMT -6
I have 2 x 8816's with fader packs, in two of my portable (remote recording) rigs. In those situations, they (8816's) are usually used for monitoring the outputs or playback of tracks from the Radar recorder. Usually all my mic pre outputs (into comps) are wired directly to the Radar. And in that capacity they work beautifully. But I must say, when the racks are back here at the studio, I have done quite a bit of mixing thru them, and I have to say, they sound Wonderful. Really great. They offer quite a bit of options in such a small footprint. Attachments:
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Post by Darren Boling on Nov 17, 2018 21:48:16 GMT -6
I have 2 x 8816's with fader packs, in two of my portable (remote recording) rigs. In those situations, they (8816's) are usually used for monitoring the outputs or playback of tracks from the Radar recorder. Usually all my mic pre outputs (into comps) are wired directly to the Radar. And in that capacity they work beautifully. But I must say, when the racks are back here at the studio, I have done quite a bit of mixing thru them, and I have to say, they sound Wonderful. Really great. They offer quite a bit of options in such a small footprint. Nice rack! Haven't seen an API 8200A in a while. |
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Post by keymod on Nov 18, 2018 5:32:22 GMT -6
I have 2 x 8816's with fader packs, in two of my portable (remote recording) rigs. In those situations, they (8816's) are usually used for monitoring the outputs or playback of tracks from the Radar recorder. Usually all my mic pre outputs (into comps) are wired directly to the Radar. And in that capacity they work beautifully. But I must say, when the racks are back here at the studio, I have done quite a bit of mixing thru them, and I have to say, they sound Wonderful. Really great. They offer quite a bit of options in such a small footprint. Paul, do you still have the TL Audio console? That was also a beautiful piece. |
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 18, 2018 7:14:35 GMT -6
I’ve had an 8803 eq for about a year. It’s super flexible. You can set it up for wide moves or tight corrective style moves. They pack a lot into a 1u unit. The variable hi and low pass come in handy. It’s obviously not as vibey as a 1073, but it definitely adds a little something to the signal with it’s circuitry.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 18, 2018 7:45:20 GMT -6
Still here~!
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Post by keymod on Nov 18, 2018 8:10:47 GMT -6
Nice! Love seeing the RADAR being used. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2018 9:22:16 GMT -6
Love your control room! Good use of space and gear. Like a mad scientist's workshop!! |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 18, 2018 23:47:54 GMT -6
I have 2 x 8816's with fader packs, in two of my portable (remote recording) rigs. In those situations, they (8816's) are usually used for monitoring the outputs or playback of tracks from the Radar recorder. Usually all my mic pre outputs (into comps) are wired directly to the Radar. And in that capacity they work beautifully. But I must say, when the racks are back here at the studio, I have done quite a bit of mixing thru them, and I have to say, they sound Wonderful. Really great. They offer quite a bit of options in such a small footprint. Thanks for your thoughts. I really appreciate it. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 19, 2018 1:53:37 GMT -6
I have 2 x 8816's with fader packs, in two of my portable (remote recording) rigs. In those situations, they (8816's) are usually used for monitoring the outputs or playback of tracks from the Radar recorder. Usually all my mic pre outputs (into comps) are wired directly to the Radar. And in that capacity they work beautifully. But I must say, when the racks are back here at the studio, I have done quite a bit of mixing thru them, and I have to say, they sound Wonderful. Really great. They offer quite a bit of options in such a small footprint. Paul I loved the sonics of the 8816 the week I had one to demo I just couldn’t adjust my way of working to the thing with the fader pack. I don’t know it just had to much of that tightly packed “Mackie like” Feel for these screwed up hands I just kept bumping other pots , but it did sound great. |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 19, 2018 19:10:15 GMT -6
Eric,
And I'm not too thrilled that the damn package needs to be connected to a computer to work properly.
But for my purpose, as used in my remote recording rig, it's a beautiful set up.
That being said, for someone wanting a great sounding summing unit, (without faders) It's really a no brainer!
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Post by ericn on Nov 19, 2018 20:45:35 GMT -6
Eric, And I'm not too thrilled that the damn package needs to be connected to a computer to work properly. But for my purpose, as used in my remote recording rig, it's a beautiful set up. That being said, for someone wanting a great sounding summing unit, (without faders) It's really a no brainer! Yeah my feeling was it was one of those situations where I think the execution was secondary to the feature list, in most cases it’s sonics that suffer, in this one it was ease of use. Maybe it’s being an old console schooled dinosaur. I wanted to fall in love with it just couldn’t love using it but the sonics were what has kept me taking another good look every so often. That and guys I trust like you singing it’s praises, but at the end of the day it falls into the trap of all summing systems, it’s a console without the features somebody else thinks you don’t need. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 21, 2018 22:54:18 GMT -6
Been doing some research and it appears the 8816 is basically a hybrid between the modern 88 series console and the older consoles. It features a signal bath based on the 88RS and Carnhill output transformers on the stereo main out. It may not be what I’m looking for then, but it’s still interesting.
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Post by ericn on Nov 21, 2018 23:12:12 GMT -6
Been doing some research and it appears the 8816 is basically a hybrid between the modern 88 series console and the older consoles. It features a signal bath based on the 88RS and Carnhill output transformers on the stereo main out. It may not be what I’m looking for then, but it’s still interesting. Question what are you looking for, the mixing of the 88R or the EQ preamp? Yeah I know both😁. Well you could always buy a chopped down 88, but they aren’t paying that much for a kidney these days, I checked. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 22, 2018 7:45:08 GMT -6
Been doing some research and it appears the 8816 is basically a hybrid between the modern 88 series console and the older consoles. It features a signal bath based on the 88RS and Carnhill output transformers on the stereo main out. It may not be what I’m looking for then, but it’s still interesting. Question what are you looking for, the mixing of the 88R or the EQ preamp? Yeah I know both😁. Well you could always buy a chopped down 88, but they aren’t paying that much for a kidney these days, I checked. Depends on the kidney in question!! The amount of whiskey that has gone through my liver and kidneys renders them virtually worthless. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 22, 2018 13:08:11 GMT -6
Been doing some research and it appears the 8816 is basically a hybrid between the modern 88 series console and the older consoles. It features a signal bath based on the 88RS and Carnhill output transformers on the stereo main out. It may not be what I’m looking for then, but it’s still interesting. Question what are you looking for, the mixing of the 88R or the EQ preamp? Yeah I know both😁. Well you could always buy a chopped down 88, but they aren’t paying that much for a kidney these days, I checked. Realistically, I’m looking for a way of pulling my audio out of the box to apply some analogue gear in a hybrid style. I’m also looking to add some analogue mojo, but not something very colored. I tend to record through colored preamps and tube mics, so I generally don’t want to add too much more color. My favorite go to plugins are SSL channel strips and the Neve 88RS. My plan was to pick up another SSL Alpha Channel and 2 500 series SSL Comps for a pair of ssl Channel strips. I also debated picking up a pair of second hand Neve 8801s to cover my bases with mine and my wife’s vocal chains, including 2 LA2a style comps and 2 Pultec style EQ. I then wanted to run the rest of the signals into some kind of summing until. I debated something like the SSL X desk, but as we discussed it doesn’t really have the SSL sound, since it’s designed to work with the X rack, in which ssl modules would be supplying that sound. I still debate getting that and just adding a few more channel strips to run my busses through for some color and basic EQ, etc. If I’m honest I would love a console, but I feel like a console is over kill for what I’m currently doing and my current space. I looked into the SSL XL desk or even the Audient asp4816, but again they may be overkill and neither is all that cheap, even second hand. So I’ve looking into some summing systems like the SSL Sigma, but I don’t really want to deal with another digitally controlled mixer. The point is to get out of the box a little bit. I’m in no rush to buy anything, just researching. The 8816 with fader ports looked interesting. I think I’d have to hear it first. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 22, 2018 17:30:44 GMT -6
How about a used Matrix? They are pretty badass and have enough features but aren’t overkill for your situation. Well, maybe a bit overkill but there is nothing wrong with that!
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