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Post by lcr on Dec 23, 2018 18:19:55 GMT -6
I grabbed the Big Hairy Profiles Henning Bottle Rocket (which is a take on a Jose Modded Marshall) and wow. THE best $10 Ive spent on profiles. GREAT Rock tones.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 23, 2018 20:48:31 GMT -6
Thanks for this, Don! That's super helpful. I like to eliminate as many variables as feasible during tracking, but my thought process is that if I use external IRs for cabinets, I would either have to buy a Two Notes style product to hear it live, or listen back through my DAW and deal with the latency. I don't want to deal with the latency anymore. That's one of the reasons I quit using sims a few years back and started playing real amps again. The "third way" would be to record both with the Kemper cab on AND off at the same time. Then if I wanted to try out different cabs, I could do it at the mix stage. Or if the Kemper on its own was good enough on a given take, I could just use that recording. This is intriguing. I *might* just go for it... Mark, why would you ever monitor through the DAW except for VI's? I don't. Doesn't your interface have no latency monitoring of inputed tracks? You could record direct guitar, complete profile and cab-less profile simultaneously on three tracks with the Kemper, and monitor whichever you prefer in your interface mixer. The joy of Kemper is having killer amp tone at normal DAW monitoring levels. Same with your real amp and a Two-Notes Torpedo, or UAD OX, or AxeFX. The only thing you miss is the feedback/sustain of your guitar next to a blisteringly loud amp. As for comparing Kemper to our own amps and mics and rooms, who has tried profiling their own best real setups into a Kemper, and a/b'ing them? An amp in a room is always going to sound more "real" than a Kemper coming out of your monitors. But is the DAW recording of the real amp on your monitors better than the Kemper profile of the same amp and setup? Not in my experience. The profile isn't finished until you can't hear the difference between the amp and the profile going back and forth. Don, forgive me. I'm clearly not expressing myself well, especially in the late night posts. I am 100% on board with everything you posted above. It is exactly what I have been thinking all along, I just haven't communicated it well. My audio interface (a Metric Halo LIO-8) does have an internal mixer, which is what I use 100% of the time. It also has a mult at input, so I can take any physical analog input and mult it out to a console. The last time I monitored through my DAW for anything besides a VI would have been several years ago, and it would've been for using S-Gear. After doing that for a few months, I decided I was tired of the latency, and I started recording my real amps again. Now I'm in a situation where I once again need a "quiet" option for recording, so I started looking at the Kemper and the reactive-load-with-IR options. If I end up getting a Kemper, hopefully I'll be totally happy with it as-is. But if I feel something is missing, it's good to know I have options to record it without a cab profile and then use a third party cab IR. I hope that clarifies things. And thank you again for sharing your experiences with it!
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Post by donr on Dec 23, 2018 21:29:48 GMT -6
I use Metric Halo, a ULN-8 as my prime multitrack interface, as well as a SVART box and an Apollo Twin, monitor routed in parallel for dedicated purposes, for which they are all well suited. I find the MH software console virtually the same as a hardware mixer as far as monitoring latency, whatever the actual latency is. I just ordered and received the 3D upgrade for the ULN-8, I haven't done it yet, but the clock in the upgrade is supposed to be better than the already excellent 2D, besides the other benefits.
As much as faithfully recording an acoustic source, no matter how loud, is probably the most authentic way to make musical product, digital emulation of audio, and visual medium (apparently no photographic image today can now assumed to be authentic, anything can be convincingly edited or doctored,) is finally ruling. I'm good with the Kemper.
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Post by mikec on Dec 24, 2018 12:19:44 GMT -6
I just downloaded a couple of the free Tone Junkies Two Rock CSR Kemper Profiles, I think these are a couple of my favorites. The profiles just seem to keep getting better.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 24, 2018 12:40:20 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Dec 24, 2018 15:51:19 GMT -6
If you have an amp why wouldn't you think about the Ua OX as well ? Hell Eric Johnson is using like 10 of them and what he doesn't know about tone, guitars and recording : you don't need to know ? How does that compare in DSP to the Axe FX III? I was really impressed by the sounds of the FXIII and the DSP to run effects in this video. The lack of DSP is what is turning me off from the Apollo for guitar sounds. I'd rather find a sound and commit than be in a platform where I could run out of DSP and then have to add effects during the mixing stage. OX and Apollo are very different things. No amps sims for one. The OX uses whatever real amp head you choose and then the effects and 8 mics/17 speakers modeling are all handled right in the unit. DSP should not be an issue. Move around the mics, change mics, etc....changes the tone. The EQ, compression, reverb, delay are all UAD quality stuff. But only those four effects max, and there are so many more options in the Axe FX and you can really build something over-the-top if you want.
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Post by mikec on Dec 29, 2018 10:05:25 GMT -6
I just picked up the Tone Junkies Two Rock Bloomfield Drive Kemper profiles and they have now moved into first place as my favorites. From clean to crunch they really sound good. According to some posts on the Gear Page Two Rock thread, one of the guys on the thread had his 100/50 Bloomfield Drive profiled when he was touring through Nashville and subsequently sold his Two Rock and now is using the Kemper with the Two Rock profiles. I'm sure there were other reasons other than the sound, but the profiles do sound really nice. Not a bad purchase for under $17 with their current promo.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 29, 2018 15:38:23 GMT -6
I just picked up the Tone Junkies Two Rock Bloomfield Drive Kemper profiles and they have now moved into first place as my favorites. From clean to crunch they really sound good. According to some posts on the Gear Page Two Rock thread, one of the guys on the thread had his 100/50 Bloomfield Drive profiled when he was touring through Nashville and subsequently sold his Two Rock and now is using the Kemper with the Two Rock profiles. I'm sure there were other reasons other than the sound, but the profiles do sound really nice. Not a bad purchase for under $17 with their current promo. Is that the TS1 or the Bloom pack?
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Post by mikec on Dec 29, 2018 16:00:28 GMT -6
I just picked up the Tone Junkies Two Rock Bloomfield Drive Kemper profiles and they have now moved into first place as my favorites. From clean to crunch they really sound good. According to some posts on the Gear Page Two Rock thread, one of the guys on the thread had his 100/50 Bloomfield Drive profiled when he was touring through Nashville and subsequently sold his Two Rock and now is using the Kemper with the Two Rock profiles. I'm sure there were other reasons other than the sound, but the profiles do sound really nice. Not a bad purchase for under $17 with their current promo. Is that the TS1 or the Bloom pack? It is the Bloom pack. With their holiday discount it turned out to be just under $17. I've been really lusting for the Two Rock Bloomfield Drive since I sold my Crystal and hoping these profiles will delay the expense for a while.
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Post by lcr on Dec 29, 2018 20:40:26 GMT -6
Ok ok... I’ll prolly grab this... and while im at it grab the brown eyed girl, and the super reverb sounded great... dangit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2018 20:50:04 GMT -6
Just got the Tone Junkies Super Reverb. Really great.
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Post by lcr on Dec 31, 2018 0:07:13 GMT -6
Dang it John K, I said I was gonna grab the 3 I mentioned earlier, Ive grabbed the bloom and the brown eyed girl, both really great, now I gotta go ahead and grab the super!!
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Post by lcr on Dec 31, 2018 0:09:12 GMT -6
Did you grab the free pack?
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Post by lcr on Dec 31, 2018 0:54:17 GMT -6
The Tone Junkies Super reverb gets a thumbs up.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 31, 2018 9:01:27 GMT -6
I’m considering the Two Rock Bloom, Super Reverb, Dairy Boy Creme, and the Double Agent.
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Post by mikec on Dec 31, 2018 12:38:07 GMT -6
I just added the Super Reverb profiles. I think the clean to just starting to break up profiles may be some of my new favorites.
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Post by lcr on Dec 31, 2018 12:57:02 GMT -6
I need to do some comparisions, I agree the clean super profiles are some of the best cleans. I really like the brown eyed girl clean also.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 31, 2018 13:26:44 GMT -6
I just put in an order on a black profiling head (unpowered). Time to finally hear what all the fuss is about. Thanks for guiding me through this, guys!! I'm sure I'll have more questions soon.
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Post by lcr on Dec 31, 2018 14:36:07 GMT -6
I would still consider myself a noobie.. learn how to add favorites, keep paper or word doc notes of those favorites, record no verb, usually no delay and record mono. For me this is most like a mic’ed amp. I keep a pair of headphones plugged up and always fun to noodle with enourmous FX uber stereo, lol. Oh, it takes pedals well. So good Im collecting pedals again. Congrats man! Looking forward to your opinions!!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 31, 2018 15:25:19 GMT -6
I would still consider myself a noobie.. learn how to add favorites, keep paper or word doc notes of those favorites, record no verb, usually no delay and record mono. For me this is most like a mic’ed amp. I keep a pair of headphones plugged up and always fun to noodle with enourmous FX uber stereo, lol. Oh, it takes pedals well. So good Im collecting pedals again. Congrats man! Looking forward to your opinions!! Thanks, man! The routing looks so flexible. It's going to take awhile to get it here via my dealer, unfortunately, so it'll be a couple weeks before I'm playing it much.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 31, 2018 18:52:44 GMT -6
Probably could have gotten a great deal through me.
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Post by longscale on Jan 1, 2019 21:42:34 GMT -6
I was listening to a few of the Tone Junkie offerings that I picked up during the sale today. One thing I tend to do when auditioning that I don't really think about is I flip the "effects" off every time. I've noticed a sameness quality to most profiles unless I do that. I'm 99% of the time listening in mono - with the effects off. I'm about the same for profiles I use for recording too; mono, no effects section. I'm sort of old school guitar sounds - so most of what I want to apply for effects I can do and would rather do in Pro Tools or with my outboard gear. If I was playing live with the Kemper then the effects would be killer. For recording - I'll stick to my outboard or plug-ins. If I'm completely honest it is not so much that I don't like the Kemper effects quality (though there is a little of that). It is more that I already know my outboard and plugins and can get exactly what I want with them; since they were what I was using for recording real amps already. Something to think about anyway or try if you find all profiles sounding similar.
This is not a knock on the Tone Junkie profiles. It is a generalized Kemper thing for me. The Tone Junkie profiles are top notch. I ended up getting three packs!
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 1, 2019 21:58:09 GMT -6
I was listening to a few of the Tone Junkie offerings that I picked up during the sale today. One thing I tend to do when auditioning that I don't really think about is I flip the "effects" off every time. I've noticed a sameness quality to most profiles unless I do that. I'm 99% of the time listening in mono - with the effects off. I'm about the same for profiles I use for recording too; mono, no effects section. I'm sort of old school guitar sounds - so most of what I want to apply for effects I can do and would rather do in Pro Tools or with my outboard gear. If I was playing live with the Kemper then the effects would be killer. For recording - I'll stick to my outboard or plug-ins. If I'm completely honest it is not so much that I don't like the Kemper effects quality (though there is a little of that). It is more that I already know my outboard and plugins and can get exactly what I want with them; since they were what I was using for recording real amps already. Something to think about anyway or try if you find all profiles sounding similar. This is not a knock on the Tone Junkie profiles. It is a generalized Kemper thing for me. The Tone Junkie profiles are top notch. I ended up getting three packs! Didn’t Kemper recently release an update with a new and improved reverb? Oh, and I totally went overboard with the Tone Junkies packs yesterday. Meant to buy 1, not 4. Doh!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 1, 2019 23:43:29 GMT -6
The delays are really pretty good. And the new Spring is awesome too. I’ve never really played with pedals in front...might try that.
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Post by lcr on Jan 2, 2019 7:31:19 GMT -6
I think each modeler / company tends to have a sound. Ive bought some I like, a few I don’t. Im gonna mention what I tend to like in no particular order. Tone Junkie, Big Hairy Profiles and Britt. For me, these 3 different profile makers give me a nice range. Looking forward to double tracking / panning TJ brown eyed girl with BHP friedman Les Paul chunka chunka rock. TJ always has way over the top FX going on, which I find interesting and well done for over the top, makes great fun noodling in cans but always turned off when tracking.
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