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Post by soundintheround on Sept 11, 2018 9:44:18 GMT -6
I am trying to find a assortment Resistor Kit to stock my home electronic workbench..... but tough finding ones that are of decent quality. I ordered a couple off ebay in the past and they always come with extremely thin and bad quality leads and never seem to be how I expected them.
Can anyone recommend good old fashioned 1/4 W resistor packs that aren't complete Chinese crap?
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 11, 2018 9:46:30 GMT -6
Also interested in a good electrolytic/film capacitor assortment pack for audio path.
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 7, 2018 13:44:41 GMT -6
I am trying to find a assortment Resistor Kit to stock my home electronic workbench..... but tough finding ones that are of decent quality. I ordered a couple off ebay in the past and they always come with extremely thin and bad quality leads and never seem to be how I expected them. Can anyone recommend good old fashioned 1/4 W resistor packs that aren't complete Chinese crap? If you're looking for quality metal-film, and don't want to spend a lot of money, a safe bet is Vishay. Their MRS25 or MBB0207 resistors come in 0207 size format (0.25W) but are rated 0.6W. Slightly higher quality would be Dale resistors, model CMF55 for 0.25W. I would pick the values you need, and build your own kit on Mouser. Much cheaper and less wasteful. (MRS25 used to be Philips. MBB0207 was Beyschlag)
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 7, 2018 13:55:50 GMT -6
Also interested in a good electrolytic/film capacitor assortment pack for audio path. Here it's better to be a lot more specific in terms of what values you need, and what kind of quality you're after. There are a ton of different options available, European, American, Japanese... I like Elna Silmic II elko's and Ero/Vishay MKT1813 film capacitors for signal path. Once you've found the capacitors that work for you, I'd do the same as for resistors, and buy the values you need to build your own kit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 8:23:54 GMT -6
Also interested in a good electrolytic/film capacitor assortment pack for audio path. I would concentrate on a few standard values that are used on the projects you are working on. Actually nearly all modern electrolyt capacitors are LowESR, which was technically not available in older capacitors (this was the reason to parallel film capacitors with them in the first place...). So it comes more to personal preferences. Note, that not all series are available for all uses because of limited range of value. Elna, Panasonic, Nichicon, Sanyo, there are a lot of brands commonly used, I found Nichicon invaluable for PSU higher values, Panasonic audio caps were really good bread and butter caps, there were always at least one series available that are rated high for audio, in the beginning it was FC, then for a while FM took over because FC ran out, don't know the actual series... Elna quite a bit more expensive and their audio caps are rated high by many. Film capacitors also depend on what they are used on. Some EQ circuits demand styroflex caps, MKT are actually pretty alrounders, polyprop caps are rated high(est) by many. But there are very different film materials used in caps. I also used polycarbonate caps and thought of them as pretty good value. Wima caps are highly rated, but there has been fraud with pirated label prints, I did not have special preferences with them, there are self-healing caps on the market that claim to be extra long lifetime. The range of values and prices can differ a lot, for tube circuits you will have other demands than for silicon in many circuits, because of the voltage they have to handle...
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2019 9:33:50 GMT -6
Never saw this thread, but the cheap chinese resistors are probably fine. The "thin" leads are still generally much higher current carrying conductors than the metal/carbon film the resistors are made from.. I mean, I've never seen one burn the leads off before the resistor element burns up before..
I've taken to just buying whatever is on sale at Newark for caps. They tend to have good deals on random film and ceramic caps from time to time, so I usually stock up on whatever they have available for cheap. I used to care about the "sound" of the caps, but eventually realized that it makes such little difference in practice, that I don't even pay attention to the materials anymore. If it's small enough value I use a film cap. If the value needed is too high to be practical in film caps, I use an electrolytic. Never had an issue with doing it like this with audio gear and honestly it's completely overblown by folks on the internet.
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Post by soundintheround on Oct 16, 2019 10:39:21 GMT -6
Never saw this thread, but the cheap chinese resistors are probably fine. The "thin" leads are still generally much higher current carrying conductors than the metal/carbon film the resistors are made from.. I mean, I've never seen one burn the leads off before the resistor element burns up before.. I've taken to just buying whatever is on sale at Newark for caps. They tend to have good deals on random film and ceramic caps from time to time, so I usually stock up on whatever they have available for cheap. I used to care about the "sound" of the caps, but eventually realized that it makes such little difference in practice, that I don't even pay attention to the materials anymore. If it's small enough value I use a film cap. If the value needed is too high to be practical in film caps, I use an electrolytic. Never had an issue with doing it like this with audio gear and honestly it's completely overblown by folks on the internet. I'm not worried about the thinness of the resistor leads melting due to current, they are just bad quality for assembly purposes and overall build. I'd worry they would have much more potential to failure/issues during and after making whatever device. Not sure I agree with you about "sound" of caps at all. I think there is a clear and obvious difference in caps. Not to say there isn't alot of hype and 'overblown' comments mixed in as well. And not to say that expensive is always better sounding. But I think they certainly add up to making a difference.
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Post by svart on Oct 16, 2019 11:34:11 GMT -6
Never saw this thread, but the cheap chinese resistors are probably fine. The "thin" leads are still generally much higher current carrying conductors than the metal/carbon film the resistors are made from.. I mean, I've never seen one burn the leads off before the resistor element burns up before.. I've taken to just buying whatever is on sale at Newark for caps. They tend to have good deals on random film and ceramic caps from time to time, so I usually stock up on whatever they have available for cheap. I used to care about the "sound" of the caps, but eventually realized that it makes such little difference in practice, that I don't even pay attention to the materials anymore. If it's small enough value I use a film cap. If the value needed is too high to be practical in film caps, I use an electrolytic. Never had an issue with doing it like this with audio gear and honestly it's completely overblown by folks on the internet. I'm not worried about the thinness of the resistor leads melting due to current, they are just bad quality for assembly purposes and overall build. I'd worry they would have much more potential to failure/issues during and after making whatever device. Not sure I agree with you about "sound" of caps at all. I think there is a clear and obvious difference in caps. Not to say there isn't alot of hype and 'overblown' comments mixed in as well. And not to say that expensive is always better sounding. But I think they certainly add up to making a difference. I understand your concern, but from a practical standpoint, can you tell me how they're "bad"? If it fits, solders and works, can it still be "bad"? The leads on 1/8W resistors are generally the thinness of the chinese leads on 1/4W resistors, so do the thinner leads on 1/8W resistors cause significant difference? I ask because I'd like your insight into why you think this. Maybe after all these years designing and building electronics, I've become too jaded, but I've rarely seen much difference in outcome in most designs that have used a wide range of parts from all over the planet. And yes, there might be some small differences in caps, but I've found that most of the differences are a wash when all other considerations are taken into account. I stepped out of the tone chasing game years ago when a lot of forums ended up with pissing-match threads over cap sounds that went more like: Person A: "BOLD COMMENT ABOUT A CERTAIN CAP SOUND WITH POORLY DONE A/B COMPARISON TRACKS" Person B: "I don't hear the difference" Person A: "There is a difference because I spent a lot of money on this and I hear a difference!" Person B: "But I don't hear it" Person A: "You don't know what to listen for" Person B: "Ok, but shouldn't it be obvious if it made any significant difference?" Person A: "you'd hear it if you had golden ears, but clearly you do not" And it would generally devolve beyond that point with folks wanking their egos and such. I also spent thousands doing cap and opamp upgrades to various things over the course of a decade, and honestly it never really made things better, I just got further away from a known point of reference and at some point I lost my sense of what was "good" sound and always wondered why I could never achieve the sound I imagined in my head.. Turns out that it was just my lack of skill and worrying about the type of caps in a piece of gear was just a way for me to avoid the obvious realization that my skills lacked. Once I stopped worrying about the parts in my gear and started worrying about how to use the gear correctly everything I did got a lot better.
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Post by Cyrus Melchor on Oct 17, 2019 21:12:42 GMT -6
I just buy Xicon resistors off of Mouser so that I can have any value no matter how obscure and not be constrained by E24 values etc. They're just 20 cents for a quantity of 10.
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 22, 2019 20:50:16 GMT -6
And it would generally devolve beyond that point with folks wanking their egos and such. I also spent thousands doing cap and opamp upgrades to various things over the course of a decade, and honestly it never really made things better, I just got further away from a known point of reference and at some point I lost my sense of what was "good" sound and always wondered why I could never achieve the sound I imagined in my head.. Turns out that it was just my lack of skill and worrying about the type of caps in a piece of gear was just a way for me to avoid the obvious realization that my skills lacked. Once I stopped worrying about the parts in my gear and started worrying about how to use the gear correctly everything I did got a lot better. That's trading one extreme for another. Parts matter and make a difference, but they're not worth spending thousands on instead of just buying better gear. "Truth is always somewhere in the middle"... said someone.
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