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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 24, 2018 22:28:26 GMT -6
Im confused. I’ve got my main monitors hooked up to the xlr Main Outs. The there are 8 trs outs. In the motu routing they’re referred to as Main Out 1-2 and the Analog 1-8.
I’m trying to route four stereo pairs to the sumbus and then monitor the Analog in 1-2 to hear what’s happening. In PT, it has Main Outs and then Analog 1-8...
Let’s say I want to start with the drums - It would seem logical to me to select Analog 1-2 in pro tools (instead of Main Outs) and it would send that signal out of my physical Motu analog outs 1-2. But it doesn’t. I’m doing this from memory, So I might have to be in front of it to ask the question...but what ends up happening is I can make Analog 3-8 to work, but no 1-2. It’s like you have to either use 1-2 as the main monitor output OR the Analog 1-2.
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Post by jeromemason on Aug 24, 2018 22:57:08 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it's all in the routing matrix. If I'm not mistaken you need to assign what all you want going to "Main Out 1-2"
Like I said, I don't have this box but from the little research I did on their website, it looks like they're assigning a batch of outputs to the Main's. It could be that you have to open the mixer up and create the mix of all the analog outs there and then assign the mixer's mix, to the Main Outs. Bottom line is it's all in that matrix, keep doing trial and error until you figure it out or do a heavy read of the manual. I know Motu documents situations like these and gives examples in their manual, also you might try a YouTube search of "Motu 828es Monitor Out Routing" I bet someone goes into depth on how they did it.
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Post by Bender on Aug 24, 2018 23:21:10 GMT -6
I was always temped with the motu 16a vs the RME802 considering most of my front end is a CAPI 11 rack with pre's and other goodies...I always thought the grass was greener with MOTU considering the cheaper price and lack of TOTALMIXFX, but I guess MOTU has its share of routing junk to contend with as well. Good to know!  |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 25, 2018 5:39:01 GMT -6
Im confused. I’ve got my main monitors hooked up to the xlr Main Outs. The there are 8 trs outs. In the motu routing they’re referred to as Main Out 1-2 and the Analog 1-8. I’m trying to route four stereo pairs to the sumbus and then monitor the Analog in 1-2 to hear what’s happening. In PT, it has Main Outs and then Analog 1-8... Let’s say I want to start with the drums - It would seem logical to me to select Analog 1-2 in pro tools (instead of Main Outs) and it would send that signal out of my physical Motu analog outs 1-2. But it doesn’t. I’m doing this from memory, So I might have to be in front of it to ask the question...but what ends up happening is I can make Analog 3-8 to work, but no 1-2. It’s like you have to either use 1-2 as the main monitor output OR the Analog 1-2. I can check it out on my rig. You should be able to route anything to anywhere. It’s really starting to make a lot more sense to me the more I use it. I’ll do a quick test and let you know. |
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Post by subspace on Aug 25, 2018 6:46:56 GMT -6
Im confused. I’ve got my main monitors hooked up to the xlr Main Outs. The there are 8 trs outs. In the motu routing they’re referred to as Main Out 1-2 and the Analog 1-8. I’m trying to route four stereo pairs to the sumbus and then monitor the Analog in 1-2 to hear what’s happening. In PT, it has Main Outs and then Analog 1-8... Let’s say I want to start with the drums - It would seem logical to me to select Analog 1-2 in pro tools (instead of Main Outs) and it would send that signal out of my physical Motu analog outs 1-2. But it doesn’t. I’m doing this from memory, So I might have to be in front of it to ask the question...but what ends up happening is I can make Analog 3-8 to work, but no 1-2. It’s like you have to either use 1-2 as the main monitor output OR the Analog 1-2. Sounds like it's the "In PT, it has Main Outs and then Analog 1-8.." that's hanging you up. Think of PT outputs simply as "From Computer 1-10." Go to the MOTU routing matrix and connect "From Computer 3-10" directly to 828es outputs "Analog Out 1-8." Then connect "Analog In 1-8" to two places, "To Computer 1-8" as well as "Mixer In 1-8." Then connect "From Computer 1-2" to "Mixer In 9-10." Finally, connect "Mixer Monitor Out L-R" to the 828es "Main Out L-R." Now got to the mixer tab output faders and make sure the "Main L-R" faders are up and unmuted. Right next to those, the "Monitor L-R" faders should be up and unmuted, as well as have "Main L-R" selected as their source. This is where you can select which mix you're listening to, "Main L-R", "Aux 1-2", etc, and it can follow the mixer "Solo" bus as well. Now scroll back to the input channels of the mixer and you should have "Analog In 1-8" available to directly monitor anything plugged in there, which can also be recorded in PT as "To Computer 1-8." You should also have "From Computer 1-2" next to those inputs. If you route your main mix from PT to "From Comouter 1-2" it will show up on these two channels of the mixer, which in turn gets routed to the mixer's "Main L-R" mix, which in turn you are monitoring via the "Monitor L-R" faders. The MOTU is an interface and a digital mixer and those two functions are completely separated on the routing matrix. You can run "From Computer" straight to the 828es outputs and "To Computer" straight to PT as a basic interface with no monitor mix functionality, it's patching the digital mixer between the two that offers the multiple monitor mixes as well as the additional complexity. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 25, 2018 8:19:49 GMT -6
If you have it set as:
From Computer 1 -> Main Out 1
From Computer 2 -> Main out 2
From Computer 3 -> Analog 1
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From Computer 10-> Analog 8
The computer stream 1 (whether that is USB or TBolt or AVB doesn't matter) is essentially hard patched to Main Out 1.
You may need to configure your protools session under the Setup -> I/O... tab.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 9:09:48 GMT -6
If you have it set as: From Computer 1 -> Main Out 1 From Computer 2 -> Main out 2 From Computer 3 -> Analog 1 ... From Computer 10-> Analog 8 The computer stream 1 (whether that is USB or TBolt or AVB doesn't matter) is essentially hard patched to Main Out 1. You may need to configure your protools session under the Setup -> I/O... tab. That’s kind be what I thought - here’s the weird thing. PT has no Analog 9-10. Usually the drivers that come with any units have worked fine for me..Never had to tweak...might have to with this. In Symphony I had Analog out 9-10 routed to analog in 1-2. |
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Post by mulmany on Aug 25, 2018 9:40:53 GMT -6
Johnkenn, John you can add channels in PT, you need to add them in both the I/O tabs.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 9:56:45 GMT -6
Figured it out...on the Devices page, my "B" Monitors were set to use Analog 1-2. I changed it to free those up and now Analog 1-2 is working like expected.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 30, 2018 8:50:08 GMT -6
Can someone help me out with using AVB? I have a 24Ao hooked up via AVB to an 828ES. I can see both units in the Motu software, but can't figure out how to route a signal in Pro Tools out to the 24Ao. I can only see the i/o for the 828ES.
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 30, 2018 9:41:36 GMT -6
Yeah - took me a bit the first time I did it, too.
For clarity let's call the unit connected to the computer the master and the one connecting to that one the slave.
In the intranet device page, you can go to either unit. On the master, you go to the configuration section of the device tab and click "become clock master". The master should show internal under clock mode. If you check the slave, the slave should show the device name of the master.
On slave's device page under "AVB stream setup" you have to turn on the AVB streams. I think each stream covers 8, but if you turn them all on you'll just have extra options in your routing matrix that aren't being used. So for a 24Ao you'd turn on input streams. The MOTU folks also told me to turn off any unused input and output banks on the slave for the thing to run better (like, for example, you can turn the mixer off on the slave - set mixer and computer inputs etc. to 0).
On the master unit, in the same place, you'll enable the number of output streams to send from the master to the slave. Then, in the "Computer setup" section you need to set the number of outputs from computer to device to whatever your total is. (24Ao+828ES ouputs youre using, consider all outputs - optical, etc, anything you may want to send to in protools).
Now if you go back to your routing grid in your slave, you'll see new INPUTS (top) under AVB Stream 1, Stream 2, etc. Route those to your analog outs.
On your routing grid in your master, you'll see new OUTPUTS (left) under AVB stream 1, stream 2. Route the "From Computer x" "From computer y" etc to those.
If you name each output in the routing tab, that name will pass through. For example, if you have your LA2A hooked up as output 1 in you Ao, and want it to be your Protools output 3 (maybe monitor L and R are 1 and 2), you'd "patch" AVB stream 1 1 -> Analog 1 out and name it "LA2A send" in your slave (24Ao) routing grid. In your 828ES routing grid you'd "patch" from computer 3 -> AVB Stream 1 1. If I remember right, then in PT you should only see "LA2A send" in your list of outputs.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 30, 2018 9:53:05 GMT -6
Yeah - took me a bit the first time I did it, too. For clarity let's call the unit connected to the computer the master and the one connecting to that one the slave. In the intranet device page, you can go to either unit. On the master, you go to the configuration section of the device tab and click "become clock master". The master should show internal under clock mode. If you check the slave, the slave should show the device name of the master. On slave's device page under "AVB stream setup" you have to turn on the AVB streams. I think each stream covers 8, but if you turn them all on you'll just have extra options in your routing matrix that aren't being used. So for a 24Ao you'd turn on input streams. The MOTU folks also told me to turn off any unused input and output banks on the slave for the thing to run better (like, for example, you can turn the mixer off on the slave - set mixer and computer inputs etc. to 0). On the master unit, in the same place, you'll enable the number of output streams to send from the master to the slave. Then, in the "Computer setup" section you need to set the number of outputs from computer to device to whatever your total is. (24Ao+828ES ouputs youre using, consider all outputs - optical, etc, anything you may want to send to in protools). Now if you go back to your routing grid in your slave, you'll see new INPUTS (top) under AVB Stream 1, Stream 2, etc. Route those to your analog outs. On your routing grid in your master, you'll see new OUTPUTS (left) under AVB stream 1, stream 2. Route the "From Computer x" "From computer y" etc to those. If you name each output in the routing tab, that name will pass through. For example, if you have your LA2A hooked up as output 1 in you Ao, and want it to be your Protools output 3 (maybe monitor L and R are 1 and 2), you'd "patch" AVB stream 1 1 -> Analog 1 out and name it "LA2A send" in your slave (24Ao) routing grid. In your 828ES routing grid you'd "patch" from computer 3 -> AVB Stream 1 1. If I remember right, then in PT you should only see "LA2A send" in your list of outputs. Very helpful. I’ll give this a go. I had done the master clock thing, and enabled AVB on the 24Ao, but that’s where I got lost. Thanks and I’ll let you know how it goes. |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 30, 2018 21:23:57 GMT -6
Yeah - took me a bit the first time I did it, too. For clarity let's call the unit connected to the computer the master and the one connecting to that one the slave. In the intranet device page, you can go to either unit. On the master, you go to the configuration section of the device tab and click "become clock master". The master should show internal under clock mode. If you check the slave, the slave should show the device name of the master. On slave's device page under "AVB stream setup" you have to turn on the AVB streams. I think each stream covers 8, but if you turn them all on you'll just have extra options in your routing matrix that aren't being used. So for a 24Ao you'd turn on input streams. The MOTU folks also told me to turn off any unused input and output banks on the slave for the thing to run better (like, for example, you can turn the mixer off on the slave - set mixer and computer inputs etc. to 0). On the master unit, in the same place, you'll enable the number of output streams to send from the master to the slave. Then, in the "Computer setup" section you need to set the number of outputs from computer to device to whatever your total is. (24Ao+828ES ouputs youre using, consider all outputs - optical, etc, anything you may want to send to in protools). Now if you go back to your routing grid in your slave, you'll see new INPUTS (top) under AVB Stream 1, Stream 2, etc. Route those to your analog outs. On your routing grid in your master, you'll see new OUTPUTS (left) under AVB stream 1, stream 2. Route the "From Computer x" "From computer y" etc to those. If you name each output in the routing tab, that name will pass through. For example, if you have your LA2A hooked up as output 1 in you Ao, and want it to be your Protools output 3 (maybe monitor L and R are 1 and 2), you'd "patch" AVB stream 1 1 -> Analog 1 out and name it "LA2A send" in your slave (24Ao) routing grid. In your 828ES routing grid you'd "patch" from computer 3 -> AVB Stream 1 1. If I remember right, then in PT you should only see "LA2A send" in your list of outputs. Well, I got it a little figured out. Outs 1-8 and 9,10,11 and 12 work fine on the 24Ao. But from 13 on I get nothin’. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 30, 2018 21:49:56 GMT -6
Sorry I can’t be of any help, but how you liking the 828es? Any different than the 16a you had? I had them at different time, so couldn’t really tell. I’m really happy with mine, though.
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Post by matt@IAA on Aug 30, 2018 22:55:11 GMT -6
indiehouse not sure what to say. If it works for one input it should work for the other. How many “from computer” inputs do you have turned on in the master unit setup?
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 6, 2018 19:13:48 GMT -6
indiehouse not sure what to say. If it works for one input it should work for the other. How many “from computer” inputs do you have turned on in the master unit setup? Got this Motu routing figured out! It was Pro Tools 32 I/O limit that was preventing the remaining signals. I had a great phone call and screen cast session with Motu tech who walked me through some stuff and answered questions. It’s really all about the “From Computer” and “To Computer” routing. It was simple once the lightbulb went off. So flexible. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 6, 2018 19:20:48 GMT -6
Sorry I can’t be of any help, but how you liking the 828es? Any different than the 16a you had? I had them at different time, so couldn’t really tell. I’m really happy with mine, though. I do dig it. I think the 828ES / 16a combo is a great setup. I’m in for about 1700 bucks with this setup, which gives me 24 channels of analog I/O, digital I/O, SPDIF, midi and a monitor controller. Plus it sounds great. That’s hard to beat. Though the new Apollos do look great. Seems people are hating on them hard. I might check them out later down the road when they start popping up second hand. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 6, 2018 19:29:23 GMT -6
Sorry I can’t be of any help, but how you liking the 828es? Any different than the 16a you had? I had them at different time, so couldn’t really tell. I’m really happy with mine, though. I do dig it. I think the 828ES / 16a combo is a great setup. I’m in for about 1700 bucks with this setup, which gives me 24 channels of analog I/O, digital I/O, SPDIF, midi and a monitor controller. Plus it sounds great. That’s hard to beat. Though the new Apollos do look great. Seems people are hating on them hard. I might check them out later down the road when they start popping up second hand. if you are on mac, can you use the keyboard volume controls, to control muting and volume changes on your monitors? I am assuming the 828 and 16A are connected together via ethernet? cheers Wiz |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 6, 2018 21:19:43 GMT -6
I do dig it. I think the 828ES / 16a combo is a great setup. I’m in for about 1700 bucks with this setup, which gives me 24 channels of analog I/O, digital I/O, SPDIF, midi and a monitor controller. Plus it sounds great. That’s hard to beat. Though the new Apollos do look great. Seems people are hating on them hard. I might check them out later down the road when they start popping up second hand. if you are on mac, can you use the keyboard volume controls, to control muting and volume changes on your monitors? I am assuming the 828 and 16A are connected together via ethernet? cheers Wiz Yeah, it’s an option you can toggle on/off on the device page. The 828ES has a monitor control section though (volume, mute, mono, spkr A/B, etc ) |
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Post by wiz on Sept 6, 2018 21:49:17 GMT -6
if you are on mac, can you use the keyboard volume controls, to control muting and volume changes on your monitors? I am assuming the 828 and 16A are connected together via ethernet? cheers Wiz Yeah, it’s an option you can toggle on/off on the device page. The 828ES has a monitor control section though (volume, mute, mono, spkr A/B, etc ) Thanks that’s great cheers Wiz |
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 7, 2018 11:47:15 GMT -6
Sorry I can’t be of any help, but how you liking the 828es? Any different than the 16a you had? I had them at different time, so couldn’t really tell. I’m really happy with mine, though. I might check them out later down the road when they start popping up second hand. Exactly..... In 6 months you'll be able to pick up the X16 for the price of the entry level. I've always waited, even when I got my 16a, I waited until I could get an open box deal and back then I only paid $1,100 for it. Same thing with the Apollo's.... They'll lose quite a bit of their value when guys that put them on credit cards need to pay those balances off, they'll sell them for the balance owed just to wipe away the red and get in the black.... Happens everytime. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2018 15:33:02 GMT -6
Er. That would be a 36 month wait at VK and a 48 month wait at Sweetwater.
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