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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 12, 2014 9:10:56 GMT -6
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Post by henge on Feb 12, 2014 9:45:03 GMT -6
What do you think this means:
"We have also included a model of the harmonics, distortion and non-linearities obtained from overdriving the SL 4000 E console, which can be used to add analog distortion across the entire mix for that coherent "glue" sound".
Did they just model the distortion or is it like a Slate plug that responds to level. This description almost sounds as if they've modeled a driven channel.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 12, 2014 10:27:00 GMT -6
What do you think this means: "We have also included a model of the harmonics, distortion and non-linearities obtained from overdriving the SL 4000 E console, which can be used to add analog distortion across the entire mix for that coherent "glue" sound". Did they just model the distortion or is it like a Slate plug that responds to level. This description almost sounds as if they've modeled a driven channel. When I initially read it, I expected that responded to level, but looking at the picture there is a drive and a drive character knob on the hardware unit. Maybe that's how you add the analog distortion. Not sure though. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 12, 2014 10:51:18 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Feb 12, 2014 11:23:27 GMT -6
When I first saw a glimpse of this from M.Wagener, I first got my hopes up that it was a separate stand-alone controller for all their plug-ins! A separate small screen and knob-pad for quickly accessing any plugin you have running and adjusting it with REAL knobs.
Does anyone make anything specifically like that?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 12, 2014 11:34:33 GMT -6
When I first saw a glimpse of this from M.Wagener, I first got my hopes up that it was a separate stand-alone controller for all their plug-ins! A separate small screen and knob-pad for quickly accessing any plugin you have running and adjusting it with REAL knobs. Does anyone make anything specifically like that? This will control all Softube Plugs. See about 6 minutes into the vid. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 12, 2014 12:07:23 GMT -6
Now, if only UAD or Slate made one, I might be interested. But with $1,000, I think I'd rather get a heritage 73' Junior and add THAT to my channels ;-)
I'd spend $699 street for a UAD Twin, (once it can be daisy chained to the Apollo), before I'd buy something that just gave me knobs to turn instead of moving a few clicks on a plug in. I've usually found there's not that much to do when changing settings on plugs.
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Post by adogg4629 on Feb 12, 2014 12:13:59 GMT -6
As somebody who loved the Liquid tech, I have to say the controller looks nice, and the workflow is well thought out, but the price seems to be a bit steep. I know that an audible groan will go up amongst all of us when I write this, but I'm a glutton for punishment just the same: I wish it had DSP.
Ok, got that off my chest. Now... what can I get rid of off my desk to make room for a Console One?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 28, 2014 12:38:51 GMT -6
As somebody who loved the Liquid tech, I have to say the controller looks nice, and the workflow is well thought out, but the price seems to be a bit steep. I know that an audible groan will go up amongst all of us when I write this, but I'm a glutton for punishment just the same: I wish it had DSP. Ok, got that off my chest. Now... what can I get rid of off my desk to make room for a Console One? Did you end up grabbing one of these? I still think it looks pretty cool. |
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Post by popmann on Aug 28, 2014 17:59:55 GMT -6
I have to say...this seems like a cool thing. NOT because it's a controller for their plug ins...but, the full screen all controller mix interface. Add a Faderport or something to give you access to basic fader automations....and you could in theory mix 90% without a mouse. Sure, you "limited" to their plug ins, but as long as their stuff doesn't suck....who cares? A:people with tons of money invested in other plug ins they want to use because they own them.  But, if you're not going to commit to mix 90% with their modular strip....it's simply an overpriced plug in with some knobs--Cubase's AI knob will turn all that in whatever strip you want--hover mouse, turn real knob. Like I said--the magic in the idea has nothing to do with what it ADDS to your set up--but, what it allows in terms of limitations. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 28, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -6
I only have their Summit Grand Channel plugin, but i dig the concept of this thing. I guess that I really just prefer using knobs to a mouse and this seems like the best option on the market. I wish that plugin designers could come up with a standard protocol so companies could have controllers that work with everything. Obviously, it would be the wrong move for Softube at this point, unless everyone conformed to them, but it would be nice if they did it for the greater good.
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Post by popmann on Aug 28, 2014 18:48:45 GMT -6
Steinberg....AI Knob. You're just gonna have to leave that silly HackTools crap. ....but, that IS why I thought it was dumb initially. I already HAVE a physical knob to turn for anything. But, it does require mouse hovering...and more importantly--LOOKING at what I'm doing...which I'm convinced is more responsible for bad mixing than the tools' "fidelity" or lack thereof. I want something where I can have the monitor OFF. or at least not look at it for most of the time. That's why I find those big Slate touchscreen things SO hilarious....please put something bigger and brighter even closer to my face--thanks! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 28, 2014 18:55:21 GMT -6
Steinberg....AI Knob. You're just gonna have to leave that silly HackTools crap. ....but, that IS why I thought it was dumb initially. I already HAVE a physical knob to turn for anything. But, it does require mouse hovering...and more importantly--LOOKING at what I'm doing...which I'm convinced is more responsible for bad mixing than the tools' "fidelity" or lack thereof. I want something where I can have the monitor OFF. or at least not look at it for most of the time. That's why I find those big Slate touchscreen things SO hilarious....please put something bigger and brighter even closer to my face--thanks! I already have glasses, that Raven would do me in. |
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Post by keymod on Aug 29, 2014 5:27:27 GMT -6
Novation Nocturn works pretty well as a plug controller. It can "learn" functions for different plug-ins. But, since no two hardware pieces are alike, there is a steep memory learning curve on the part of the operator to remember what knob does what for each plugin. It's still hard to avoid looking at a screen so you know what you're doing
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 29, 2014 6:25:10 GMT -6
With every controller I used the mouse won after a few weeks - all the time. Never have seen a real cool concept which is affordable for home studios. The Icon I have touched once was great but too expensive. I am waiting for the new Behringer concept, may it makes sense.  |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 29, 2014 6:58:56 GMT -6
With every controller I used the mouse won after a few weeks - all the time. Never have seen a real cool concept which is affordable for home studios. The Icon I have touched once was great but too expensive. I am waiting for the new Behringer concept, may it makes sense. I agree about the Icon. It was a pleasure to work on, just not affordable for my situation. The Behringer looks nice, but I'm more looking for plugin control than faders. I have a Faderport that I can use if I need a fader, but nothing to control the Plugs. I looked into the Nocturn a bit, but it just seems to be mediocre. I don't think it would quite give me the experience that I'm looking for. |
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Post by popmann on Aug 29, 2014 7:46:32 GMT -6
The reason one goes back to mouse is because the entire UI of these applications (and including the plug ins) was designed 100% for use with those "controllers".
Can you imagine an app that required a C24 or 16+ MCU faders else it wouldn't RUN? Right. It wouldn't sell. This market HATES first party anything. Closed systems? Fuck that. That's why I've said multitouch will shift the market to Reaper--or someone new/small enough to literally throw out their UI all together and design one from the ground up FOR multitouch gestures. It would be a great tech if every time you opened a plug, it went to full screen--throw it off screen to put it back....multifinger swipe in every direction to navigate different environments--ie arrange/mixer/connections/set up...
That's why I thought Surface would be king, if guided well....between voice recognition for certain functions and a UI that can't be run with a mouse (or else running it with a mouse is as bassakward as running a current DAW with a controller alone)....but, Steinberg or Avid or whomever won't BE that bold. No one with a huge upgrade buying user base will likely do it....it will need to be an upstart--or someone who has the backend tech coded, but has "lost" already in the market--take the engine....rewrite the UI to require multitouch....and get it into the hands of people who YOU know know how to make music and record--NOT the masses you want to sell it to....the problem is--with multitouch, that HAS to BE from the hardware makers, as they're the only ones making enough money to care, right? Thus, Microsoft....Apple....Google as distant third.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 29, 2014 12:05:22 GMT -6
For plug in use it should be simple a unit that pops up the knobs in a logical order.
The Nocturne was years ago interesting but it misses displays under the knobs e.g. MF / HMF etc
I agree most controllers end up too complicate instead of a simple and stupid concept.
One more reason why HW is more fun.
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