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Post by allbuttonmode on Aug 7, 2018 11:29:50 GMT -6
Hey,
Have any of you B2 Bomber ADC owners adjusted the input gain on the unit? I don't get the full advantage of it, as I am not able to drive it as hard as I'd like. Or at least have the ability to, should the material call for it. I have a console feeding the ADC, and when pushing the output of my console, it's not a pleasant sound. So, I need to keep that one in line, which in turn stops me from pushing the B2.
So I am thinking increasing the gain in could do the trick? Yay or nay?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 7, 2018 12:54:28 GMT -6
As I understand it, the Input Level is AFTER the transformers, so you aren't "driving" it by increasing the input level. That knob is only to set how hard you're actually hitting the converters. It's not going to change the sound at all, it just makes it louder or softer. If you want more color, push harder out of the console. Less color come in soft and turn the input level up.
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Post by tasteliketape on Aug 7, 2018 13:31:43 GMT -6
the console out into like a stereo comp ( as example) or ? And use the output of the comp (or whatever) to drive in to the Burl
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Post by ragan on Aug 7, 2018 13:57:03 GMT -6
As I understand it, the Input Level is AFTER the transformers, so you aren't "driving" it by increasing the input level. That knob is only to set how hard you're actually hitting the converters. It's not going to change the sound at all, it just makes it louder or softer. If you want more color, push harder out of the console. Less color come in soft and turn the input level up. The attenuator knob (like you say, post transformer) allows you to hit the transformer harder or softer with whatever is feeding it. So the attenuation by itself doesn’t change the sonics but it lets you saturate the input more if you want. Edit: on reread, this is pretty much exactly what you said.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Aug 7, 2018 15:51:58 GMT -6
I'm not sure if were talking about the same thing. I meant the input trims on the back.
Have a look:
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 7, 2018 16:04:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure if were talking about the same thing. I meant the input trims on the back. Have a look: You could use the pots on the back to calibrate it to a different input reference level, though that would render the values on the front panel attenuator inaccurate. I don't know how much gain there is to work with on those rear pots. Also, they might just be passive attenuators located after the input transformers same as the front panel attenuator in which case you are back where you started...
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Post by allbuttonmode on Aug 7, 2018 16:22:59 GMT -6
Yeah, the info could've been a bit better on this. I've contacted Burl directly. I'll report back.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Aug 10, 2018 8:23:47 GMT -6
Got an answer back from Will at Burl Audio. And, as stated here previously, the input trim is purely for adjusting balance and correct level. I'll have to experiment further with gain between the console and the B2, I guess.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 10, 2018 9:00:14 GMT -6
Pair of VP-28’s after the console will do the trick!
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 28, 2019 9:21:10 GMT -6
Can anybody speak to if this unit has soft limiters? I’m used to working with the Black Lion Sparrow and like driving the mix into the soft limiter. DAW reads clipping but... sounds great!
You can’t push the Burl to “clipping” (not really) like this right? Hitting the transformers harder gives you color but the unit can still digitally clip?
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2019 13:25:37 GMT -6
Can it digitally clip? Could an Avid Blue 192? A UA 2192? That will be easier info to find. Same chip.
Not sure why one would care....but....those units will be easier to find info on, I think.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 28, 2019 15:25:29 GMT -6
Can it digitally clip? Could an Avid Blue 192? A UA 2192? That will be easier info to find. Same chip. Not sure why one would care....but....those units will be easier to find info on, I think. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. I’m asking more specifically if it’s the type of converter that one would slam a bus compressor into early in the mixing process (for more than a few dB). It’s a technique I often see experienced engineers do with pop/hip-hop so that you can build the transients into a mix at commercial level. I know the Bomber has input transformers that compress, but that doesn't necessarily mean I can drive into it until the DAW prints a square waveform as a final mix (please save your judgments about techniques like this. It’s something a mentor of mine picked up from Joe Chiccarelli and isn’t “audio suicide” with the right tools).
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 28, 2019 15:39:33 GMT -6
If I’m not understanding the technique correctly, I’d appreciate the correction but this is my understanding and I’ve witnessed the lights hitting red, a square waveform in Pro Tools, and a Grammy nominated engineer saying “meh.” Not exactly the type of thing they go near in audio school...
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2019 17:20:45 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 30, 2019 10:48:38 GMT -6
Have you bought the b2, sounds like the dangerous music convert 2+ is more what you are looking for ?
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 30, 2019 10:51:54 GMT -6
Have you bought the b2, sounds like the dangerous music convert 2+ is more what you are looking for ? Not yet, wanted to make sure it would be exactly what I needed. Thanks!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 30, 2019 11:01:15 GMT -6
Check out the Convert AD 2 +, as it is designed to overdrive the converters and you have a separate transformer and other features: might better suit your desired workflow ?
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jul 30, 2019 11:14:01 GMT -6
Check out the Convert AD 2 +, as it is designed to overdrive the converters and you have a separate transformer and other features: might better suit your desired workflow ? This is EXACTLY what I was looking for thanks again! I never looked into them because I was under the impression it was all about “clean, clean, clean” but I definitely underestimated the feature set. Looks like a monster that works for everything!
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 31, 2019 12:26:25 GMT -6
Check out the Convert AD 2 +, as it is designed to overdrive the converters and you have a separate transformer and other features: might better suit your desired workflow ? This is EXACTLY what I was looking for thanks again! I never looked into them because I was under the impression it was all about “clean, clean, clean” but I definitely underestimated the feature set. Looks like a monster that works for everything! There's definitely nothing clean about that converter when you're really pushing it with the emphasis up. It gets downright mean. On the other hand, when you're using it like a normal converter it sounds incredibly open, like a straight wire into the computer almost.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 31, 2019 13:09:54 GMT -6
@moreeq. Jerome has the 2+ . If you have specific, questions, workflow etc., he can likely answer or describe what is working for him ?
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