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Post by happychap on Jul 24, 2018 8:24:33 GMT -6
Producer/Engineer extraordinaire Gary Paczosa cites the GML 8900 as a 'secret weapon' for vocals. Super transparent under high gain reduction. But...it's expensive. What are the alternatives?
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Post by happychap on Jul 24, 2018 9:22:09 GMT -6
Producer/Engineer extraordinaire Gary Paczosa cites the GML 8900 as a 'secret weapon' for vocals. Super transparent under high gain reduction. But...it's expensive. What are the alternatives? I can't speak to the alternatives to the GML 8200, but I've always wondered about the term transparency when it comes to EQ. What exactly does it mean? When I boost 2.5K on my GML 8200 it brings focus to that frequency, more or less depending on the Q and the amount. So, what does transparency mean in this context? I'm talking compression (GML 8900). He's been using it for years and takes it with him wherever he goes (which can provide for some interesting hot tub conversations). |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 24, 2018 9:33:38 GMT -6
Super Transparent under High Gain Reduction- InnerTube Audio Atomic Squeezebox
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Post by ericn on Jul 24, 2018 11:04:11 GMT -6
Any of the Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 11:06:39 GMT -6
Software can be great for totally clean, I sometimes use TDR Kotelnikov for this (I'm a beta tester for them) although I haven't had the pleasure of pitting it against something like a GML. Some of the Roger Foote FCS stuff is supposed to be very clean at far less than GML prices, and for mixing you could get the pot vs. stepped switch version and save a bit more.
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Post by drbill on Jul 24, 2018 11:54:37 GMT -6
Any of the Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps. Even without the audio upgrades mods. The 661 / 651 comps are transparent, and have fooled me SOOOOO many times while tracking. I look over and...crap, I'm compressing 15-20 dB and didn't hear it. Never used a GML so can't offer any comparison there, but the Aphex comps DO compress and are transparent. |
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Post by swurveman on Jul 24, 2018 12:07:57 GMT -6
I can't speak to the alternatives to the GML 8200, but I've always wondered about the term transparency when it comes to EQ. What exactly does it mean? When I boost 2.5K on my GML 8200 it brings focus to that frequency, more or less depending on the Q and the amount. So, what does transparency mean in this context? I'm talking compression (GML 8900). He's been using it for years and takes it with him wherever he goes (which can provide for some interesting hot tub conversations). My apologies. |
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Post by EmRR on Jul 24, 2018 13:06:01 GMT -6
Of the things I have and have used elsewhere enough to have a feel, the FCS stuff takes it. I haven't used a GML, and there are plenty of other things I haven't tried either. The PWM Cranesong and (I think) Fearn stuff should be very clean. The Safesound boxes should be, but they've been gone for awhile.
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Post by sean on Jul 24, 2018 16:31:39 GMT -6
I’ll use a 8900 every once in awhile and I think an Aphex 651 will get you similar results. The 8900 is pretty amazing once it’s dialed in. I know they have been working on plug in for a really long time
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Post by rowmat on Jul 24, 2018 16:48:20 GMT -6
The Aphex 651/661 comps are transparent but an Aphex Compellor which we use as our buss compressor can be literally invisible when used on vocals.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 24, 2018 17:48:54 GMT -6
Any of the Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps. I happen to have one of these in my room and I concur. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 24, 2018 18:39:46 GMT -6
Any of the Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps. Even without the audio upgrades mods. The 661 / 651 comps are transparent, and have fooled me SOOOOO many times while tracking. I look over and...crap, I'm compressing 15-20 dB and didn't hear it. Never used a GML so can't offer any comparison there, but the Aphex comps DO compress and are transparent. It is still you hear one of Jim’s, then you hear a very light vail and it seams just a tad laid back. |
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Post by yotonic on Jul 24, 2018 18:49:51 GMT -6
Never found my Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps to be invisible, and never really found the compression they provided "desirable" on vocals. I had the same feeling about my Foote, DBX, and Inward Connections Brute. All nice comps and quite transparent while not invisible. But I never found I liked them on vocals. However I love my Urei 1178 and vintage La2a on vocals, guess i like it dirty...
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Post by drbill on Jul 24, 2018 20:51:14 GMT -6
However I love my Urei 1178 and vintage La2a on vocals, guess i like it dirty... Evidently!!  I concur. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2018 21:58:09 GMT -6
Producer/Engineer extraordinaire Gary Paczosa cites the GML 8900 as a 'secret weapon' for vocals. Super transparent under high gain reduction. But...it's expensive. What are the alternatives? Gary Paczosa is a badass. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2018 21:58:40 GMT -6
Super Transparent under High Gain Reduction- InnerTube Audio Atomic Squeezebox Just as expensive |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 25, 2018 1:56:05 GMT -6
I know it's a plugin, but DMG Compassion can be set to compress quite transparently. As can DMG Essence (which is far more than a de-esser).
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 25, 2018 6:16:07 GMT -6
Super Transparent under High Gain Reduction- InnerTube Audio Atomic Squeezebox Just as expensive Lot more of these can be found on the used market though, compared to an 8900 and you can haggle the seller... In my case, for a single channel. Which I will be doing at some point. |
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Post by Steamy Williams on Jul 25, 2018 7:50:38 GMT -6
Dave Hill Designs Titan
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 25, 2018 8:11:53 GMT -6
And also the Crane Song STC-8 and Trakker! |
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 25, 2018 9:48:30 GMT -6
And also the Crane Song STC-8 and Trakker! I’ve only used the Trakker, but it can definitely be very transparent. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 25, 2018 10:05:20 GMT -6
I have a Foote P4DMS and a pair of Williams modded Aphex 651’s here. Fairly artifact free under high stress. I’ve always wanted to check out a Squeezebox, though. Came close to pulling the trigger a couple of times.
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Post by hugostiglitz on Jul 26, 2018 1:54:22 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on Jul 26, 2018 2:11:45 GMT -6
Never found my Audio Upgrades modded Aphex comps to be invisible, and never really found the compression they provided "desirable" on vocals. I had the same feeling about my Foote, DBX, and Inward Connections Brute. All nice comps and quite transparent while not invisible. But I never found I liked them on vocals. However I love my Urei 1178 and vintage La2a on vocals, guess i like it dirty... I find Expressors are more 'invisible' for general program material and vocals if set to 'Soft Knee' with the 651 and 'Auto' and 'Soft Knee' with the 661. They are not character pieces for sure. I tend to use our 651's mainly as peak limiters when tracking acoustic instruments. I set the threshold and ratio to avoid clipping the convertors and use fast attack and release times. However I find the Aphex Compellor extremely transparent for vocals and especially strummed acoustic guitar. |
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Post by happychap on Jul 26, 2018 8:54:41 GMT -6
Thanks for the suggestions!
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I concur.
