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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2018 15:14:07 GMT -6
Plus cash? I know the Symphony MkII 8x8 sounds objectively better...but I've had somewhat of an epiphany. I'm not mixing major-label projects...mostly smaller projects and producing smaller projects. Even when I'm producing something, I track at studios - so really I'd only be overdubbing and doing vocals. When I'm making demos for songwriting purposes - they're just that - demos. They're (hopefully) going to be re-done on a much grander scale.
So - I'm just putting the feelers out. What do you guys think? I should probably just leave well-enough alone...but I kinda miss the Apollo workflow - and the truth is, I bet my mixing won't get any worse lol.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2018 15:21:51 GMT -6
7 minutes later and I'm already talking myself out of it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 3, 2018 22:29:36 GMT -6
You caught me at the wrong time, or I might have gone for it.
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Post by Quint on Jul 3, 2018 22:42:49 GMT -6
Wait, this wasn't a joke?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2018 22:55:50 GMT -6
Nope. Not at all. I’ve talked myself out of it, though. I really like the Apollo workflow and the thought of pocketing $1100 and having an Apollo Duo with my satellite is tempting. A little more every day I accept that getting cuts really doesn’t have anything to do with the sonic quality...I could do what I do with a Clarett. But ultimately, I know me. I don’t think I could stand thinking I wasn’t at the top of my game.
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Post by yotonic on Jul 3, 2018 23:03:31 GMT -6
Plus cash? I know the Symphony MkII 8x8 sounds objectively better...but I've had somewhat of an epiphany. I'm not mixing major-label projects...mostly smaller projects and producing smaller projects. Even when I'm producing something, I track at studios - so really I'd only be overdubbing and doing vocals. When I'm making demos for songwriting purposes - they're just that - demos. They're (hopefully) going to be re-done on a much grander scale. So - I'm just putting the feelers out. What do you guys think? I should probably just leave well-enough alone...but I kinda miss the Apollo workflow - and the truth is, I bet my mixing won't get any worse lol. This is increasingly the case for many today, you summed it up well.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 4, 2018 4:19:12 GMT -6
are you not using that Svart box as your AD/DA anymore?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2018 8:43:07 GMT -6
are you not using that Svart box as your AD/DA anymore? I actually wonder whether it’s more accurate...but the symphony is more pleasing...I should try a mix through it and see...but it’s nice not having any weird setup going on.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2018 8:44:03 GMT -6
Right now I use it for the 7-8 channels going to my sumbus...since dumb Apogee makes you use 1-2 for the monitors.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 4, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -6
I think the svart box likely more accurate, the apogee more euphonic ?
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 4, 2018 22:07:36 GMT -6
Right now I use it for the 7-8 channels going to my sumbus...since dumb Apogee makes you use 1-2 for the monitors. Metric Halo does this, too. It's annoying, isn't it?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 5, 2018 3:35:16 GMT -6
The apollo 8+2 approach is so sensible.
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Post by drsax on Jul 5, 2018 9:08:18 GMT -6
The apollo 8+2 approach is so sensible. Indeed... Apollo plus Svartbox or Apollo plus Burl has been a winning combo over here
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Post by ericn on Jul 5, 2018 10:12:19 GMT -6
Right now I use it for the 7-8 channels going to my sumbus...since dumb Apogee makes you use 1-2 for the monitors. Hey good software engineers are expensive!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 5, 2018 22:30:21 GMT -6
extra DA chips are expensive, when you just need 2 more channels. if you can save $10/unit and are producing 20,000 units, how much are you're saving?
Also, you gotta remember that the Symphony was designed back when big studios used a console for monitor outs, so it just needed regular line outs to feed a console. it wasn't designed for consumer usage without a big 24+ channel console connected to it.
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Post by ragan on Jul 5, 2018 22:40:28 GMT -6
extra DA chips are expensive, when you just need 2 more channels. if you can save $10/unit and are producing 20,000 units, how much are you're saving? Also, you gotta remember that the Symphony was designed back when big studios used a console for monitor outs, so it just needed regular line outs to feed a console. it wasn't designed for consumer usage without a big 24+ channel console connected to it. I dunno...the MKII Symphony was designed, what, 3 years ago (came to market like 2 years ago?)? It bugs me that I have to eat up 2 line outs for monitors.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 6, 2018 0:05:26 GMT -6
well, when you go with DSUB as your IO connector, you kinda have to deal with banks of 8.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 6, 2018 0:43:51 GMT -6
Apogee thought of us with it’s new mastering module only $1900 for 2 channels !
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 6, 2018 3:04:18 GMT -6
I seriously tossed and turned for months wanting to go Apogee, but decided workflow was more important for writing and later down the road I can use better converters to get in and out of the box if I chose. The new Apollo black boxes are much better than the silverface I had. I can actually use it without using a better converter to get in and out, however I will! Lol
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Post by ericn on Jul 6, 2018 8:39:59 GMT -6
Oh my friend, in the words of Don Henley You Must Not Be Drinkin Enough 😁
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 9, 2018 6:49:19 GMT -6
I've still got my old silver face Apollo. And it still sounds just fine to me. I don't blame you, JK.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 9, 2018 7:25:39 GMT -6
Until Apogee straightens out things like using two outs for monitors, and and gets their software on par with UAD's, I'm staying where I am. Frankly, if I can get better converters at some point, I'd forget about the Symphony, which does sound super sweet to me though. UAD has an opportunity to leap ahead when they make an Apollo III. It HAS to be a real leap forward in converters and preamps, because the functionality is superb already, so the sound quality is where it will really count.
Unfortunately, my best guess is UAD will make the 8 and 8P models have the "improved" converters their 16 has, and then slightly improve the interface. I so hope they don't go that way. I'd love to see one of the models be equal to the Symphony sonically, even if that premium version was $1,000 more, it would be worth it to have a truly high end one box solution.
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Post by mikec on Jul 9, 2018 8:09:26 GMT -6
I guess I must be in a different camp. I went through the Apollo BF 8, 8P, and 16 and although they sounded fine I never liked having to have a separate console window open behind my DAW. If I would have needed to track with plug-ins I'm sure it would have made a difference, but the only thing I ever used during tracking was some reverb or delay for the vocalist. Moving to the Symphony was like a breath of fresh air for me only needing to have my daw window open. Granted, I specialize in singer/songwriter/demo type of work so I rarely track more than three and on rare occasions four tracks at a time so running a low buffer has not been an issue for me with the Symphony during tracking. I also sum through a Dangerous 2Bus+ and before adding the 2x6SE module to my 16x16 I fed the monitor output of the 2Bus+ to a Dangerous Source so I never had to give up 2 of my outputs for monitoring purposes. Regardless we live in a great time for recording in that there are enough options to meet just about everyone's needs and budget and I don't miss my old Roland 1680 recording system at all. .
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 9, 2018 8:43:46 GMT -6
Until Apogee straightens out things like using two outs for monitors, and and gets their software on par with UAD's, I'm staying where I am. Frankly, if I can get better converters at some point, I'd forget about the Symphony, which does sound super sweet to me though. UAD has an opportunity to leap ahead when they make an Apollo III. It HAS to be a real leap forward in converters and preamps, because the functionality is superb already, so the sound quality is where it will really count. Unfortunately, my best guess is UAD will make the 8 and 8P models have the "improved" converters their 16 has, and then slightly improve the interface. I so hope they don't go that way. I'd love to see one of the models be equal to the Symphony sonically, even if that premium version was $1,000 more, it would be worth it to have a truly high end one box solution. The bf 16 only has better DA and they are now like 5 years plus old as a design. I think UA has to really pull out the stops on the mkiii. They would also be implicitly expecting current owners to buy up,they better make it count !
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 9, 2018 8:48:44 GMT -6
I have to keep my Symphony Control window open all the time anyway...I have to switch from Playback to Analog when monitoring the Sumbus.
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