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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 26, 2018 7:47:44 GMT -6
How are those "A" and "N" mojo amps? š Oh maaaaan, you got me didn't cha!!! If you bought one you'd know - like the hundreds of people who have ponied up and love them. Wouldn't you? LOL They are fine. And not named or numbered beyond a "tip of the hat" to who inspired them. They are ABSOLUTELY not a "clone" (and never touted as one) of either a 1073 or 312. And they are not called the NeveBullet or 312Bullet. Defend it how you want. You're still using the A and N to get people thinking about the API and Neve name for the preamp flavors. You could have called them Punch and Fat or whatever, but you used the letters to evoke a certain response for your customer base, the same way Stam et al is doing it. You even mention the American and British consoles, the way Slate or whoever would. Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me. Also, not knocking your product in any way. I'm sure it's a great piece. I totally love the concept and want one. I'm hoping to demo one once I've got some free cash, but studio expenses (stands, cables, and other non-fun stuff) has eaten at my budget.
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2018 8:27:15 GMT -6
the question is whether it delivers similar results to other stereo compressors in the $3000 range. Exactly. Particularly if it matches up well against other similarly priced comps that can/do use the 6386, such as the Manley Variable MU, the Pendulum, and the STA.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 26, 2018 8:47:05 GMT -6
the question is whether it delivers similar results to other stereo compressors in the $3000 range. Exactly. Particularly if it matches up well against other similarly priced comps that can/do use the 6386, such as the Manley Variable MU, the Pendulum, and the STA. Can't agree here. The question is whether or not it sounds like a 670. If he called it the Stampressor and had an original livery instead of the Stamchild and the clone face it could stand or not on its own against those listed. But let's be honest...if he called it the Stampressor we wouldn't be on page 4, and few people would buy it. When you clone you're cashing in on the intangibles (goodwill, I believe, is the technical term) of the original brand. I don't have any objection, but let's not suggest he can have his cake and eat it too here. If he wanted it to be compared to a Vari Mu or Sta Level he could call it the Stam Mu or Stam Level. FYI I hereby claim all of my clever puns and if any of these are used in a future product I think I should get a discount.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 8:51:38 GMT -6
We offer a 30 day money back guarantee, shipping included to anybody anyways so I don't see the problem here. Hi Josh, is this a new policy, to cover shipping fees in your money back guarantee ? It was not the case a month ago. Will you carry a proto of the Stamchild to your trip in USA ?
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Post by ericn on Jun 26, 2018 9:33:53 GMT -6
I think we have dived into 2 major discussion about the era of clones as well as the general discussion of Stanās latest product itās self. First when is a clone a clone? How much can a manufacturer stray from the original design and call it or infer that it has anything to do with the original ? Second are the original manufacturers model numbers name sacred, how cute can you get without committing some kind of pro audio sin?
First letās take a step back in time to the late 80ās and 90ās, before the giant explosion of 101 1272ās and 30 1176 models to choose from there was a demand for these classics that outstripped the available supply, heāll remember the whole 1272 thing started because the price of 1073ās and 1081ās was getting out of control and the guys like BAE, Mercenary and Dan Alexander needed an affordable Neve mic pre option. Add the fact that they had all these 1272 line amps from consoles gutted for their input modules and well it is pretty much the same circuit right? The first generation of clones came from a few techs who grew into being manufacturers because people were begging them for a modern affordable reliable option to the ever increasing cost of the real thing. Many of these first clones respected the original manufacturers model number ( think ADL 1000, the fact that my Dan Alexander says āClass A Mic Preampā not 1272). We should give propās to David Manley for having the respect for those who came befor and actually obtaining the rights to the Pultec and Langvain names and later the Putnamās for buying back the Universal Audio and associated copywrites. Many of these early clones were compromises of the originals simply because the components in the original simply were not produced anymore and the numbers werenāt there to produce accurate reproductions. Personally I am conflicted about how historically accurate a clone needs to be; part of me says I donāt care how you get there if you nail the sound, but so far the only way I have seen to get there is being as historically accurate as possible and it sucks because it means in most cases if you really want the sound of the original your still going to pay a pretty penny!
The Name thing is another one of those mind fields, As much as I agree only Neumann or somebody who Neumann licenses should be able to use ā47ā, ā48ā, ā49ā ect. Well anybody remember how most of the audio world felt about the stupid names Focusrite used in the Liquid products? I give props to Chandler for developing their own nominclature for most of their line and Licensing the EMI designs and trademarks, of course the part of the EMI deal that requires them to vigorously defend this intellectual property pisses many off, I guess you just canāt win. Look like any piece of gear, movie or just about anything else for that matter and as much as it makes the internet go round, rampant speculation and opinions of a product that hasnāt shipped yet are useless conjecture. Unfortunately that is what along with porn dominates the net and ironically creates unrealistic expectations and creates a world of disappointment in the real world. So letās give Stam a chance and see what Josh and everybody else really gives us.
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2018 9:40:23 GMT -6
Always great to hear from stam and thanks for the free upgrades you have offered some folks here!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 26, 2018 9:45:12 GMT -6
Has anybody here been in a room with a real 670 and one of the Unfairchild units? Sorry to be a bit off topic...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 26, 2018 9:48:12 GMT -6
I've heard the beautiful IO Audio U67 mod done in a U87, and a TLM67. it still has the Neumann body and capsule, the other parts were switched. It sounds great, like a real Neumann, but it doesn't really sound just like the original. To my ears, it sounds better than a standard U87, so that makes it completely viable. Still, it isn't exactly a U67. My point is that if Stam gets really close to the Fairchild sound, then it's as good as can be gotten today, and it deserves consideration, not condemnation because it isn't an exact clone of the original. To do that, I'd expect a $10,000 or more price tag.
It does makes sense that it should be compared to the Manley Vari Mu and Sta-level, since they're in the same price range and offer high end compression. Still, it should be compared to a Fairchild as well, just to see how close it is. I'd bet it's as close as his SA2A is to the LA2A or closer, and in fact, I think I prefer his SA2A from what I've heard, but I haven't used one myself yet.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 9:54:14 GMT -6
His SA-2A is a perfect sonic clone. That I can attest.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2018 10:09:22 GMT -6
I have a suggestion. If you have a problem with this, donāt buy it. If you do not have a problem with this, consider buying it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2018 10:22:46 GMT -6
JK, you are so radical!
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 10:32:30 GMT -6
Rough, man... rough.
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2018 10:56:41 GMT -6
Exactly. Particularly if it matches up well against other similarly priced comps that can/do use the 6386, such as the Manley Variable MU, the Pendulum, and the STA. Can't agree here. The question is whether or not it sounds like a 670. OK, I get your point. Stam chose to 100% channel the 670 in every aspect (particularly the look!) excepting the tube compliment and other downstream design changes resulting from this decision such as transformers, etc, all of which may have a sonic impact. So the direct comparison is fair, and indeed, invited by Stam. It will be fascinating to see how it stands up to the original and also the Unfairchild, which I would guess is the closest modern interpretation/clone.
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2018 10:56:48 GMT -6
Has anybody here been in a room with a real 670 and one of the Unfairchild units? Sorry to be a bit off topic... I don't think you're off topic, at all. That question has been burning on my mind since this thread began and I was wondering how to bring it up!!!
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2018 10:58:04 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2018 11:03:42 GMT -6
And soooooo beautiful. I'd love to hear one some day. Meanwhile, I'll make do with the UAD facsimile. Actually, I've just switched to the UAD Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor for ITB 2-bus duty. Today, I like it better.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 26, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -6
That one has been on my wish list for awhile. BUT, I canāt justify a $10k compressor. I just canāt.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 11:35:56 GMT -6
I once tracked an album through the UnFairchild. I never experienced that. I wanted to process every track through it. Sooo sweet, mellow, gentle, rich, pleasant, musical. Absolutely amazing. This is honestly the one piece of equipment that amazed me the most. I have absolutely no idea wether it sounds like an original or not. I know no plugin can even touch it. I also know 10k$ will never be recouped with the kind of income I'm making !
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Post by drsax on Jun 26, 2018 11:36:26 GMT -6
That one has been on my wish list for awhile. BUT, I canāt justify a $10k compressor. I just canāt. Same here... Iād love to get my hands on a UTA. But itās out of reach right now. So Iām gonna give the Stam a go. If it delivers Iāll be here in hog heaven. If I feel it falls short, then there is a generous return policy. Itās very kind of Joshua to offer that from overseas. I was amongst the first to send a downpayment. This will be my first Stam product. Iām really looking forward to getting mine and putting it through itās paces.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2018 11:38:28 GMT -6
I can come in quiiiite a bit cheaper
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Post by happychap on Jun 26, 2018 12:11:46 GMT -6
I once tracked an album through the UnFairchild. I never experienced that. I wanted to process every track through it. Sooo sweet, mellow, gentle, rich, pleasant, musical. Absolutely amazing. This is honestly the one piece of equipment that amazed me the most. I have absolutely no idea wether it sounds like an original or not. I know no plugin can even touch it. I also know 10k$ will never be recouped with the kind of income I'm making ! Wow- what's the album?
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 12:39:49 GMT -6
A christian pop-folk thing. Julien ADAM - Encore. Piano has been tracked through it as I did not have time to process everything. We tracked the vocal through it as well, but we had to redo them all at a smaller studio.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 26, 2018 13:01:40 GMT -6
That one has been on my wish list for awhile. BUT, I canāt justify a $10k compressor. I just canāt. Same here... Iād love to get my hands on a UTA. But itās out of reach right now. So Iām gonna give the Stam a go. If it delivers Iāll be here in hog heaven. If I feel it falls short, then there is a generous return policy. Itās very kind of Joshua to offer that from overseas. I was amongst the first to send a downpayment. This will be my first Stam product. Iām really looking forward to getting mine and putting it through itās paces. Funny thing is, Iām sure I have (combined) $10k in various other HW compressors. What, then, is the better option? One $10k Fairchild, or $10k in various other HW compressors?
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 26, 2018 13:11:18 GMT -6
The better option is Stam to nail the sound for 3k$ !
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 26, 2018 13:25:20 GMT -6
The better option is Stam to nail the sound for 3k$ ! Bingo!
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