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Post by littlesicily on Feb 5, 2014 21:29:11 GMT -6
Anything I produce for release goes to the mastering pros, but for demo and rough mixes I usually will do some sudo-mastering. I've been finding it beneficial to HPF between 30-40hz w/ 12dB slope. Am I in the correct general ballpark?
I'm not looking to become a ME... I just would like to know if I'm starting in the right place and can tweak to taste from there. Usually the low freqs (below 40hz) are causing some extra rumbling and also sucking up precious dBs.
Please... no rants over the loudness wars as I'm not pummeling anything...just staying competitive. Also, I am not mixing these so I can't necessarily "fix it in the mix".
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 5, 2014 21:57:13 GMT -6
I use HPF set to around 30 /12db slope when doing demos yep. I have also found that using a quality multiband like the Fab Filter set to expand on the low end (around 150 plus or minus) yields a very nice result after the filter is applied. It brings back some of the low end but it's the good part that thumps instead of muddying things up. But yes I always filter everything.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 5, 2014 22:27:52 GMT -6
How about lo pass?
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Post by svart on Feb 6, 2014 8:32:58 GMT -6
I do mine around 30hz HPF and 15khz LPF.
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Post by watchtower on Feb 6, 2014 8:37:44 GMT -6
30Hz HPF (unless in the rare occasion it takes away too much "power")
Never LPF
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Post by svart on Feb 6, 2014 9:31:23 GMT -6
I think HPF is pretty much a given. Even in my own mixes, I rarely boost anything in the low end and I still get a lot of harmonic rumbling, but I've listened to or worked on other people's mixes and tracks that end up having TONS of low end boosted because they are working on small desktop monitors without the bass reproduction to hear what they are doing.
I think the same goes for LPF too. In a more professional mix, people rarely boost highs on anything if they've got the mix balance right. Most of the amateur mixes I've heard, or myself done in the past, have a lot of stuff boosted in the high end because it's thought of as "clarity". This is before people learn that clarity comes from the mix balance and not a frequency range.
So in that case, LPF is absolutely warranted in mastering, if you can't get the mixer to redo the mix.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 6, 2014 12:16:04 GMT -6
Much better to do individual tracks than the whole mix!
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 7, 2014 10:03:23 GMT -6
Much better to do individual tracks than the whole mix! I hear ya, but like I said in OP that I'm not mixing these. In some cases, the mix session IS on my system (mixed by someone else) and I can address individual tracks. In that scenario, I can HPF the tracks in need. Question for you... in theory: What is the difference in between applying a HPF to all the individual tracks needing it (assuming tracks that don't need it don't have those freq present) and putting a HPF across the entire mix? |
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Post by jazznoise on Feb 7, 2014 10:27:59 GMT -6
30hz. I'd up the slope if the kick is tuned low enough to lose some of the fundamental to the slope. Usually set it around 30hz.
As was said, better on invididual tracks. Hi-passing rumble on vocal mics, guitar cabs, bass guitars, brass all helps.
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Post by matt on Feb 7, 2014 10:40:44 GMT -6
This thread invites the question: which HW EQ is everyone's favorite for this sort of activity? Or is the state of plugins advanced to the point where HW is no longer superior?
I might invest in a HW EQ and am looking hard at the API 5500.
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Post by svart on Feb 7, 2014 10:41:58 GMT -6
High passing individual things is a given, but sometimes just mixing things together gives you low harmonic rumble that needs removing on the whole mix.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 7, 2014 10:45:32 GMT -6
This thread invites the question: which HW EQ is everyone's favorite for this sort of activity? Or is the state of plugins advanced to the point where HW is no longer superior? I might invest in a HW EQ and am looking hard at the API 5500. 5500 doesn't have high or low pass filters. |
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Post by matt on Feb 7, 2014 11:03:10 GMT -6
This thread invites the question: which HW EQ is everyone's favorite for this sort of activity? Or is the state of plugins advanced to the point where HW is no longer superior? I might invest in a HW EQ and am looking hard at the API 5500. 5500 doesn't have high or low pass filters. Ah, right. So, high pass in SW and then sweeten in HW with something like the 5500? Or, use a HW EQ with high and low pass filters. Hmmm . . . |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 7, 2014 11:11:38 GMT -6
I have an ApogeeSound CRQ-12 that I'm currently using on my 2 buss. It has the high and low pass filters plus full bands across the board. The filters on it are really handy, but I'd rather be running a pair of these new chop shop filters combined with more of a vibe piece like a 2a3 or other Pultec variant.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 7, 2014 11:49:06 GMT -6
I have yet to find a totally transparent hp. It's about what they screw up and not the low end.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 7, 2014 12:02:27 GMT -6
Hp/lp different tracks allow u to mask what ur doing, passing an entire mix puts the roll off point at the same point, across the entire mix, most filters have eq bumps or reso points, that could be bad in one shot, I use linear phase eq on individual tracks to be close to transparent, obviously setting roll offs at appropriate points per track. The hpf's on my vp 28 are pretty awesome, I'm looking to get into some Harrison DIY filter clones for their vibe? I've read they are the shit, and I really want to find out.
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Post by littlesicily on Feb 7, 2014 13:52:56 GMT -6
Hp/lp different tracks allow u to mask what ur doing, passing an entire mix puts the roll off point at the same point, across the entire mix, most filters have eq bumps or reso points, that could be bad in one shot, I use linear phase eq on individual tracks to be close to transparent, obviously setting roll offs at appropriate points per track. The hpf's on my vp 28 are pretty awesome, I'm looking to get into some Harrison DIY filter clones for their vibe? I've read they are the shit, and I really want to find out. Yeah, I run mixes thru my VP28's but the 40hz hpf is higher than I'd like for mixes. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Feb 7, 2014 16:20:22 GMT -6
This thread invites the question: which HW EQ is everyone's favorite for this sort of activity? Or is the state of plugins advanced to the point where HW is no longer superior? I might invest in a HW EQ and am looking hard at the API 5500. Missing links often on the mix buss. DIY Harrison's on sub groups and tracks. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 7, 2014 18:24:37 GMT -6
The trouble with linear phase is that it blurs the focus of transients.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 7, 2014 18:47:34 GMT -6
The trouble with linear phase is that it blurs the focus of transients. Agreed, I'm not in front of it right now, but there is a setting on the waves lpeq that passes the transients un affected |
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Post by jazznoise on Feb 7, 2014 19:25:46 GMT -6
Funnily enough, I've been told that processing high frequencies leaves lower ring than LF stuff.
I'd guess then doing a high pass filter would involve summing a low pass with an inverted version of the original to minimize ringing?? Not sure as I think an FFT sort of randomizes phase information.. Anyone with a better understanding could help..I sort of got bored on the Phase Vocoding chapter in my audio programming book...
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