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Post by lolo on Feb 5, 2014 9:01:26 GMT -6
Know its not a Top notch interface, but i'm just looking at it for some of it features. Basically I'll use separate A/D and D/A converters and a separate monitor controller. This will just act as a slave unit. Might occasionally use one some of the i/o channels in mix time to patch analog to it.
any one with any experience with these? If you have to use the conversion is the A/D and D/A alright? Integration with cubase ok?
saw one for sale here is Aus, and the price looks ok. I can basically sell my steiny and just buy this for the same price.
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Post by Koln on Feb 5, 2014 12:14:08 GMT -6
Hey lolo,
These are good interfaces. Don't get fooled by the low price. Of course motu had to cut somewhere......they did cut in the internal clock. Use another clock and you will see that the converters aren't that bad. I use these on mobile work with external converters and when i need more i do use motu conversion. Clients are always happy and so am i.
Never go for the 828MKII because these have really bad firewire implemantation. All my 3 828MKII had the same firewire problem after 5 years of usage. Even the 1 interface that stayed at the studio.
But the 828MKIII.......go for it man.
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Post by lolo on Feb 5, 2014 19:19:03 GMT -6
Thank man.
Considering it. If I do get it I'll use the my Ross martins clock
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Post by Koln on Feb 6, 2014 19:04:02 GMT -6
Motu's clock aren't that bad. But clocking it with an apogee or even a bla makes it better.
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Post by fishnmusician on Feb 6, 2014 20:26:24 GMT -6
What about the 2408MKIII ? Are they the same converters ?
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Post by popmann on Feb 6, 2014 23:30:08 GMT -6
Probably similar. It's PCIe...so, Windows is it going forward. It's scalable...it was part of a great "buy whatever IO you need" design....10-15 years ago.
It was on my short list for "if it came up used/cheap"...the RME came up first. but, buying new, I'd get the Thunderbolt/USB combo. It'll "last longest"--meaning for more years of new computers--one of those two will work for many years To come.
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Post by Koln on Feb 8, 2014 14:59:48 GMT -6
i,d rather wait and see what motu is going to do with the rest of their interface line.
right now it seams the new thunderbolt 828X. Is just a a regular firewire with a built in tb to fw adaptor inside. Real thunderbolt specs for input and uotput to daisy chain them. It looks like this new interface isn't a real up to specs TB device.
Something like a true TB 2408 would be great. 24 adat i/o + ltc + video sync would make a perfect interface for any studio. 24 AES would even be better.
I guess we'll be surprised by motu this year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 20:13:45 GMT -6
after having a motu traveler for 5-6 years and then upgrading to a symphony i/o, it's disgusting how bad the traveler sounded. You get what you pay for, regardless of what anyone says. Save up another $1000, get something else that has better analog I/O.
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Post by popmann on Feb 10, 2014 23:44:56 GMT -6
At what sample rate did the MOTU sound so "disgustingly bad"? Using external preamps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 23:47:06 GMT -6
at all sample rates, compared to the symphony. This is with listening back, not dealing with recording. the D->A difference between the two is like looking thru a dirty window vs. being outside.
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Post by Koln on Feb 11, 2014 18:06:37 GMT -6
Great.
Comparing a 750$ interface (26 i/o) with a 6000$ interface.
No wonder one sounds better than the other.
I'll keep purple site jokes to myself.
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Post by popmann on Feb 11, 2014 22:35:55 GMT -6
Also, he didn't HAVE an 828. I know someone who's NOT at ALL picky about recording gear who returned a Traveler because he said "that sound was awful". I've never touched a Traveler...but, I have used an 828 before....and mixed many an 828 track others cut. I wouldn't call it anywhere near "disgusting". Except the preamps--I never actually plugged into them, but I HAVE used some MOTU preamps before, though I don't remember the unit, and well--when I had an 828 here briefly I never even found out if those front panel inputs WORKED previous experience had been so bad. ....but, unlike too many others, they are a full 8x8 analog LINE inputs on the back. Maybe even 8x10 does that one have dedicated monitor outs? Or was that the 2408? I do hear you on DACs for digital mixing, though, MKM. I honestly never really used it for that. SPDIF or AES to the Benchmark for years. It never occurs to me to plug in anything else. Which isn't fair to some degree, I suppose to say the converters are fine without mentioning that I'm listening to their AD work on better converters when I'm making said judgement.
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Post by lolo on Feb 11, 2014 23:54:16 GMT -6
See this was actually my idea for the 828.
Just use it as and interface for I/0 via spdif using a external DAC and ADC. Also monitoring through a passive monitor controller.
Never touching the preamps and occasionally using the A/D and D/A conversion.
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Post by LesC on Feb 12, 2014 7:47:22 GMT -6
Lolo, that's exactly what I'm doing with my UFX. Burl B2 in to UFX AES/EBU. UFX AES/EBU out to Dangerous Source. Don't use the UFX DAC's, ADC's, or pre's except when absolutely necessary. I wish the UFX had an additional digital out, though, so I could have another high-end DAC to analog to another high-end ADC for buss processing, while I'm still monitoring through the Source.
I either need to add something like the RME ADI-192 DD for additional digital i/o, or the "cheapie" solution would be to trade the UFX for something like a HILO. With the HILO I can continue to use the Burl and the Source, and have three more useable DAC's and an ADC. I'm just not sure about the Lynx Windows drivers compared to the rock-solid RME drivers.
Sorry, just mulling over my options out loud. My experience with MOTU equipment, I think it was a midi timepiece in the bad-old days when I used to use Macs, was so negative that I would never consider using anything from them again under any circumstances. That's just me, I know most others have not had similar experiences.
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Post by lolo on Feb 12, 2014 8:05:24 GMT -6
<span style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;">LesC this is excactly what im doing with my Mr816. Using a seperate high end Dac and ADC</span> Happy with the integration, but there is some limitations with the Steiny box. Nothing wrong with the sound. But I have sorted those problems now. Was just looking at options that wont break the bank (first baby coming soon) , but also not downgrade on quality. UFX in Australia is $2500. I seriously looked into this box a while ago. But decided to keep the Steiny and grab the Dangerous Source. Will soon be out of I/O's. Keeping options open.
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Post by lolo on Feb 12, 2014 8:07:01 GMT -6
^^^ not sure what happened with that first part
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 11:27:14 GMT -6
a) the symphony is $3000, not 6000 b) I also had an 828mk2. MOTU uses the same converters in both the traveler, the ultralite, the 896, and their 828's so all that stuff sounds the same. c) why would you pay $750 for an ADAT port when you could get it for $550 with the 8Pre USB or something cheaper like a focusrite box if you just need an interface with ADAT
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Post by Koln on Feb 12, 2014 18:01:33 GMT -6
Last time i checked for 24 input and 24 outputs (8 analog / 16 aes) from a symphony........it was closer to 6000$.
But who am i to argue?
The guy is asking for a motu interface and all you have to say is it sound like crap. Are you a full time DJ hanging on the purple site?
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Post by popmann on Feb 12, 2014 20:26:16 GMT -6
I don't know how Symphony's handle the digital multichannel IO in interface mode...but, I'd pretty well call the 8x8 the roughest equivalent. $3k is before you start talking about Dsub cables and Thunderbolt, though...but, even there, you're talking about more than 4 times the spend.
MKM is happy with his purchase. I'm happy for him. But, they're no where NEAR the same price class....nor...again...Windows compatible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 21:43:06 GMT -6
Are you a full time DJ hanging on the purple site? lol i am not. I see you're new here. The guy should invest in RME or similar. that motu stuff doesn't sound as good as other gear in that pricepoint. Popmann, all cards come with 16 channels of i/o. it's either 8 analog in/out and 8 digital in/out via either AES or ADAT, or it's 16 analog in/16 digital out, or 16 analog out/16 digital in, or 16 analog in/16 analog out. Either way, it's still 16 channels of i/o per card. I built 2 3' dSub->TRS cables for $60 for all the parts. took like 3 hours per cable tho lol... If you don't go over 16 channels, you can run it over USB just fine. it's mac only, tho..
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Post by Koln on Feb 13, 2014 10:48:23 GMT -6
Are you a full time DJ hanging on the purple site? I see you're new here. What do you mean by that so i can laugh...
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