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Post by phantom on Sept 15, 2019 14:17:53 GMT -6
The ground loop noise is a pretty bad problem in my opinion. And there was the volume drop when engaging the EQ. There is no ground loop noise issue and there is no volume drop People asked for it to be the same level despite the original having a drop But there was, right? The new units that you are sending now doesn't have it anymore, is that it?
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Post by stam on Sept 15, 2019 14:41:38 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit
After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right.
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Post by phantom on Sept 15, 2019 14:46:53 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right. I mean the ground loop noise.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2019 15:08:36 GMT -6
Did you try spinning the power supply ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 15, 2019 18:09:50 GMT -6
Build quality/quality control: both units of mine were plaqued with strong ground loop noise whenever the EQ was engaged. Stam fixed that with their tech in France. Now there's noise only in other unit, when the low cut is engaged. I can live with that, but it's still not optimal. If anyone in EU wants to buy these 2 knowing this, I'm open for business! Faster delivery than Stam, I promise! Two units with line inputs and Sowters. How much for the one with the issue?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 15, 2019 18:13:03 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right. Stam - I see it says there’s another batch coming (December) on the site, but I thought you mentioned that wasn’t the case? Are there more coming? If I was to order one, am I looking at mid 2020? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to get a realistic timeline.
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Post by shoe on Sept 15, 2019 18:47:27 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right. I mean the ground loop noise. It's not a ground loop noise. One of the inductors was picking up hum from the power transformer. Stam's tech fixed this on my units by moving the inductor to its own little board farther away from the power transformer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 20:59:21 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right. Stam - I see it says there’s another batch coming (December) on the site, but I thought you mentioned that wasn’t the case? Are there more coming? If I was to order one, am I looking at mid 2020? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to get a realistic timeline. hope stam do a 1084 (much more flexible to 1073) or 1081. id wait for those but i understand they got a lot on their plate already.
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Post by phantom on Sept 16, 2019 8:58:17 GMT -6
Ground loop or not, easy to fix or not, this is something that if my unit had, I would have to send to repair. So, a problem that passed through QC.
Another issue with the Stam 1073EQ was the DI. That even made our Derek here to return his unit.
Last week I knew someone that his Stam 76ADG had a suddenly increase of the noise floor.
Anyway, I am a supporter and Stam and I have a good amount of equipments pre ordered with him, so this things doesn't make me happy, but rather worried.
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Post by maldenfilms on Sept 16, 2019 11:04:34 GMT -6
Ground loop or not, easy to fix or not, this is something that if my unit had, I would have to send to repair. So, a problem that passed through QC. Another issue with the Stam 1073EQ was the DI. That even made our Derek here to return his unit. Last week I knew someone that his Stam 76ADG had a suddenly increase of the noise floor. Anyway, I am a supporter and Stam and I have a good amount of equipments pre ordered with him, so this things doesn't make me happy, but rather worried. My 1073EQ had the ground hum issue and 76ADG is having noise floor / threshold issues that are trying to be figured out by the US tech. It is certainly a bummer, especially after such a long wait, but to their credit, stam has been very good about taking care of this and doing so quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 19:16:00 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right. I wouldn't jeopardize if originals were like that. Maybe a suggestion would be to include some paperwork upon purchase or include in the Manual, explaining the 6db drop with caption "just like vintage/ original" I never owned originals so I woudnt know
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Post by mike on Sept 17, 2019 9:47:22 GMT -6
That is correct There was a 6dB drop like the original unit After the first 30 were delivered people asked for it not be there, I believe they will regret this decision since you are boosting frequencies and the extra headroom is appreciated but the customer is always right.
My pair must have been in the first 30 since they have the small db drop when engaged. It's not an issue as far as I can see and I am happy to have them. They sound great!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 8:16:37 GMT -6
That is so common it should just be assumed. That's not a new idea and its certainly not enough on an incentive to only say good things about it. Its more of a thank you for your time and effort. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Stam wrote reviews for anyone or otherwise explicitly asked for positive reviews in exchange for a discount. That being said, it's still human nature, even if subconsciously, to tap the brakes on saying bad things about a product for which you were offered a discount. It's why those types of discounts are offered. I know that Stam isn't the only company that does this. But it still doesn't mean that I have to like it, especially if the reviewer doesn't disclose it. That's interesting assessment when you yourself plan on using stams 50 discount, so I take it ur a customer. So In a way, would that hold you back of a true opinion? You in the same boat 🤷♂️ What you speak of is very general practice by manufacturers to review products, don't see anything wrong with it
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 19, 2019 8:47:34 GMT -6
Maybe it would be best to keep the conversation about the gear?
The question of user perspectives and true motivations was raised here, i think, very appropriately, when it became very obvious that a particularly glowing review was based on very minimal and short term use and I think the individual didn’t even keep the piece of gear.
So, natural for readers here to be a little sanguine about the value of that review.
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Post by Quint on Sept 19, 2019 9:19:22 GMT -6
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that Stam wrote reviews for anyone or otherwise explicitly asked for positive reviews in exchange for a discount. That being said, it's still human nature, even if subconsciously, to tap the brakes on saying bad things about a product for which you were offered a discount. It's why those types of discounts are offered. I know that Stam isn't the only company that does this. But it still doesn't mean that I have to like it, especially if the reviewer doesn't disclose it. That's interesting assessment when you yourself plan on using stams 50 discount, so I take it ur a customer. So In a way, would that hold you back of a true opinion? You in the same boat 🤷♂️ What you speak of is very general practice by manufacturers to review products, don't see anything wrong with it I haven't written a review, nor was I planning on writing a review, so, sorry, I am NOT in the same boat. However, if I was going to write a review, I would absolutely disclose the 50% discount and then explain all of the negative things that led to me receiving that discount offer in the first place. Transparency and disclosure are what this is all about. It seemed pretty obvious what was going on in Derek's situation. He could have avoided the general response he got here at RGO if he would have approached things differently.
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Post by stam on Sept 20, 2019 8:07:25 GMT -6
Cool new shootout vs AMS
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 20, 2019 8:14:02 GMT -6
The Stam has more of that vintage Neve muscle in the lower mids, but both sound good, even on my computer speakers. I'll check on monitors later.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 21, 2019 8:06:25 GMT -6
FYI On FB, this morning, Josh is advertising 2 new b stock, stateside with Sowter and just checked over by his tech for I think $990 each, no shipping charges.
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Post by NoTomorrow on Sept 21, 2019 15:04:11 GMT -6
The Neve 1073LB (lunchbox version) sounds noticeably different than the AMS Neve 1073DPA (rack unit).... as I did numerous head to head tests when I had both.
In my opinion the DPA sounded much better than the lunchbox version..... with a much more uniform frequency response. The 1073LB had an exaggerated low end and weird scoop around 2-3k. I also have a Stam 1073 wth Sowters and much preferred it to the lunchbox Neve, so I sold it.
I also eventually bought an AML 1073EQ rack unit with Carnhills, and it sounded so close to the AMS Neve 1073DPA that I sold the rack Neve.
So now I have the Stam 1073 with Sowters (no EQ) and a single channel AML 1073EQ. They definitely sound different to one another...... both good, usable sounds. The AML is thicker, creamier sound I use mostly for vocals with condenser mics. I prefer the Stam for all of my dynamic mics so far.... it has a mid-pushed sound that really brings rock vocals forward.
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Post by stam on Sept 21, 2019 15:45:30 GMT -6
It does sound different because the 1073MPA used the Sowter 9160 while the 1073EQ and current 1073MPA use the Sowter 1777 (custom made for us)
The 1777 is a extremely scientific replica of the Marinair LO1166 which took Sowter months and months of testing to develop per our request
We had about 6 prototypes before we were satisfied that it had the same low end as the original
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:09:55 GMT -6
It does sound different because the 1073MPA used the Sowter 9160 while the 1073EQ and current 1073MPA use the Sowter 1777 (custom made for us) The 1777 is a extremely scientific replica of the Marinair LO1166 which took Sowter months and months of testing to develop per our request We had about 6 prototypes before we were satisfied that it had the same low end as the original Can't wait on new mpa, and how about the 1073eq and the upcoming mpa.. Is therr a difference? I heard the true topolgy is the one with EQ and it effects the sound due to the extra circuitry from eq even when bypassed. Can u give me your take on it or is it negligeble, either way I'll judge with my own ears
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Post by stam on Sept 21, 2019 16:37:06 GMT -6
Negligible in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 2:03:21 GMT -6
I gave in, ordered both mpa and EQ one. hopefully everything works flawless and nothing needs adjustment like some complaints here. Quality control is a MUST for me. on a positive note, i seen the new layout of the 1073eq mk2, looks very nice.
one minor constructive criticism, on 1073eq some of the knobs sticking out looks kinda strange in mk1. i don't know if it need those transparent plates things behind them. messes with the aesthetics. I hope it doesnt look like that on MK2.
What ETA arrival are we looking at both these units. i believe Josh said, 1073eq should be shipping next month or 2?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 3:36:03 GMT -6
I gave in, ordered both mpa and EQ one. hopefully everything works flawless and nothing needs adjustment like some complaints here. Quality control is a MUST for me. on a positive note, i seen the new layout of the 1073eq mk2, looks very nice. one minor constructive criticism, on 1073eq some of the knobs sticking out looks kinda strange in mk1. i don't know if it need those transparent plates things behind them. messes with the aesthetics. I hope it doesnt look like that on MK2. What ETA arrival are we looking at both these units. i believe Josh said, 1073eq should be shipping next month or 2? Just look at their track record to form your own realistic estimate. Before the current crises 1-2 years seemed normal for most things. From following this company for the last 3 years I also wouldn’t take any official announcements for granted... Good Luck.
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Post by mike on Apr 4, 2020 10:08:10 GMT -6
My experience on these is I have a pair of the SA1073EQ's and have nothing but good things to say about them preferring them over other Neve clones I've had or used without question.
1 of my units from the first batch came without the phantom power working, but my customer service experience was handled very well as Stam Audio had me send the unit to their tech repair place where it was repaired and shipped back to me at their expense and it works perfectly.
While the wait from purchase to arrival is usually longer than projected on Stam Audio Pieces and the length of wait may not be for everyone, the quality of the parts/build for the price is well worth the wait for me and I would order again.
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