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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 4, 2018 14:00:27 GMT -6
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Post by Bender on Apr 4, 2018 22:11:37 GMT -6
Looks promising!
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2018 19:31:27 GMT -6
As Bender said, looks promising. HOWEVER - it's not at all faithful to the original standalone reverb tanks, which used a full-on octal power tube (either 6K6GT or 6V6GT, depending on vintage) to drive the reverb. The 12AT7 was what was used for a driver in the amplifier reverb circuits but it doesn't come close to comparing to the tube used in the original stand alone reverb tanks. Just so you know - the 12AT7 can deliver about 1.5 watts of drive, The 6K6 and 6V6 deliver around 5-6 watts. And their claim that their 3 spring tank from some company I've never heard of is the closest to the '60s original is pure BS - the original tanks were long 2 spring Hammonds (later Accutronics.) Now, I'm not saying that the tank they're using isn't a great tank - it very well may be and I do like 3 spring tanks, but faithful to the early '60s units? Pull the other one, it has got bells on! It's likely a decent reverb - however the gratuitous hype is disconcenting. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 5, 2018 21:18:08 GMT -6
As Bender said, looks promising. HOWEVER - it's not at all faithful to the original standalone reverb tanks, which used a full-on octal power tube (either 6K6GT or 6V6GT, depending on vintage) to drive the reverb. The 12AT7 was what was used for a driver in the amplifier reverb circuits but it doesn't come close to comparing to the tube used in the original stand alone reverb tanks. Just so you know - the 12AT7 can deliver about 1.5 watts of drive, The 6K6 and 6V6 deliver around 5-6 watts. And their claim that their 3 spring tank from some company I've never heard of is the closest to the '60s original is pure BS - the original tanks were long 2 spring Hammonds (later Accutronics.) Now, I'm not saying that the tank they're using isn't a great tank - it very well may be and I do like 3 spring tanks, but faithful to the early '60s units? Pull the other one, it has got bells on! It's likely a decent reverb - however the gratuitous hype is disconcenting. Good info! I sure its not original. We had an older AKG spring reverb..i regret not using it more now, the EMT140s where just more captivating. Figure for 275 it can't be too bad to use here and there. That said, its not stereo output which is a bit of a bummer for me.. |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2018 14:35:40 GMT -6
As Bender said, looks promising. HOWEVER - it's not at all faithful to the original standalone reverb tanks, which used a full-on octal power tube (either 6K6GT or 6V6GT, depending on vintage) to drive the reverb. The 12AT7 was what was used for a driver in the amplifier reverb circuits but it doesn't come close to comparing to the tube used in the original stand alone reverb tanks. Just so you know - the 12AT7 can deliver about 1.5 watts of drive, The 6K6 and 6V6 deliver around 5-6 watts. And their claim that their 3 spring tank from some company I've never heard of is the closest to the '60s original is pure BS - the original tanks were long 2 spring Hammonds (later Accutronics.) Now, I'm not saying that the tank they're using isn't a great tank - it very well may be and I do like 3 spring tanks, but faithful to the early '60s units? Pull the other one, it has got bells on! It's likely a decent reverb - however the gratuitous hype is disconcenting. Good info! I sure its not original. We had an older AKG spring reverb..i regret not using it more now, the EMT140s where just more captivating. Figure for 275 it can't be too bad to use here and there. That said, its not stereo output which is a bit of a bummer for me.. those old AKG reverbs are someting else! They'e in a whole different class from the typical spring verbs based on the Hammond/Accutronics type tank, especially the bigger AKGs. The reverb under discussion here is more of a guitar effect unit, which is not to say that it can't be a useful addition to a studio. If you want stereo, just build two of 'em, maybe using tanks with slightly different delay times. I've also heard of guys doubling up the tanks to get an even fuller, lusher sound. Reverb tanks are pretty cheap these days, generally well under $20 each. There are around 3 different time ranges available. Other things to consider is input impedance - a transformer driven Fender derived circuit usually uses an 8 ohm tank and mounting orientation (most transistor driven tanks have a somewhat higher input impedance - a couple hundred ohms IIRC) - the tanks are factory tweaked for top, bottom, side, and possibly end up, so the magnetic slugs at the ends of the springs don't drag on the transducer body. There are also kits available for the original Fender standalone design - the Dick Dale reverb. It also wouldn't be difficult to do your own build - it's a simple circuit about as complex as a Fender Champ and schematics and layouts for both the 6K6 and 6V6 versions are redily available online, just Google it. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 6, 2018 15:14:50 GMT -6
Good info! I sure its not original. We had an older AKG spring reverb..i regret not using it more now, the EMT140s where just more captivating. Figure for 275 it can't be too bad to use here and there. That said, its not stereo output which is a bit of a bummer for me.. those old AKG reverbs are someting else! They'e in a whole different class from the typical spring verbs based on the Hammond/Accutronics type tank, especially the bigger AKGs. The reverb under discussion here is more of a guitar effect unit, which is not to say that it can't be a useful addition to a studio. If you want stereo, just build two of 'em, maybe using tanks with slightly different delay times. I've also heard of guys doubling up the tanks to get an even fuller, lusher sound. Reverb tanks are pretty cheap these days, generally well under $20 each. There are around 3 different time ranges available. Other things to consider is input impedance - a transformer driven Fender derived circuit usually uses an 8 ohm tank and mounting orientation (most transistor driven tanks have a somewhat higher input impedance - a couple hundred ohms IIRC) - the tanks are factory tweaked for top, bottom, side, and possibly end up, so the magnetic slugs at the ends of the springs don't drag on the transducer body. There are also kits available for the original Fender standalone design - the Dick Dale reverb. It also wouldn't be difficult to do your own build - it's a simple circuit about as complex as a Fender Champ and schematics and layouts for both the 6K6 and 6V6 versions are redily available online, just Google it. Yeah this one was pretty big, I think about 4' tall? maybe, and was a 2x2 or so. So 4x2x2? I wish I'd done more with it. But again, the plates were more my thing. I knew it was more of a guitar effect but figured you could make it useful in the studio. Seems like it would be kind of a fun thing to have around perhaps and mess with. I will probably try it out some time. Good points about the impedance. would need to tweak that to use as a studio reverb. That same place sells the other "times" of tanks that the kit comes with. Doubling up tanks would be a cool way to do it! Sound different as well most likely. Something to ad to the list. |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2018 15:25:43 GMT -6
those old AKG reverbs are someting else! They'e in a whole different class from the typical spring verbs based on the Hammond/Accutronics type tank, especially the bigger AKGs. The reverb under discussion here is more of a guitar effect unit, which is not to say that it can't be a useful addition to a studio. If you want stereo, just build two of 'em, maybe using tanks with slightly different delay times. I've also heard of guys doubling up the tanks to get an even fuller, lusher sound. Reverb tanks are pretty cheap these days, generally well under $20 each. There are around 3 different time ranges available. Other things to consider is input impedance - a transformer driven Fender derived circuit usually uses an 8 ohm tank and mounting orientation (most transistor driven tanks have a somewhat higher input impedance - a couple hundred ohms IIRC) - the tanks are factory tweaked for top, bottom, side, and possibly end up, so the magnetic slugs at the ends of the springs don't drag on the transducer body. There are also kits available for the original Fender standalone design - the Dick Dale reverb. It also wouldn't be difficult to do your own build - it's a simple circuit about as complex as a Fender Champ and schematics and layouts for both the 6K6 and 6V6 versions are redily available online, just Google it. Yeah this one was pretty big, I think about 4' tall? maybe, and was a 2x2 or so. So 4x2x2? I wish I'd done more with it. But again, the plates were more my thing. I knew it was more of a guitar effect but figured you could make it useful in the studio. Seems like it would be kind of a fun thing to have around perhaps and mess with. I will probably try it out some time. Good points about the impedance. would need to tweak that to use as a studio reverb. That same place sells the other "times" of tanks that the kit comes with. Doubling up tanks would be a cool way to do it! Sound different as well most likely. Something to ad to the list. I think you slightly misunderstood - the AKG springs are definitely studio units*. What I was referring to a a guitar unit was the kit that's the subject of the thread. * - Well, usually. I remerber Don's band using one on tour in the late '70s/early '80s.... |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 6, 2018 17:22:10 GMT -6
Yeah this one was pretty big, I think about 4' tall? maybe, and was a 2x2 or so. So 4x2x2? I wish I'd done more with it. But again, the plates were more my thing. I knew it was more of a guitar effect but figured you could make it useful in the studio. Seems like it would be kind of a fun thing to have around perhaps and mess with. I will probably try it out some time. Good points about the impedance. would need to tweak that to use as a studio reverb. That same place sells the other "times" of tanks that the kit comes with. Doubling up tanks would be a cool way to do it! Sound different as well most likely. Something to ad to the list. I think you slightly misunderstood - the AKG springs are definitely studio units*. What I was referring to a a guitar unit was the kit that's the subject of the thread. * - Well, usually. I remerber Don's band using one on tour in the late '70s/early '80s.... no no i got what you meant. I know the AKG one was a full on studio unit. Was in our studio and huge! haha can't imagine hauling one around on tour haha smaller than a plate though! |
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2018 19:27:02 GMT -6
I think you slightly misunderstood - the AKG springs are definitely studio units*. What I was referring to a a guitar unit was the kit that's the subject of the thread. * - Well, usually. I remerber Don's band using one on tour in the late '70s/early '80s.... no no i got what you meant. I know the AKG one was a full on studio unit. Was in our studio and huge! haha can't imagine hauling one around on tour haha smaller than a plate though! The unit itself lived in an Anvil flight case about 4-5 feet tall and about 2-3 feet square, give or take a bit. |
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